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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSanders endorsed candidate voted to bar ACA from funding abortions, and requiring parental consent
Whats more interesting is what happened nextand what didnt. In 2012, Mello voted with Planned Parenthood on two out of three bills tracked by the groupand was excused from voting on the third. After that, Mello, who had become the influential chair of the state legislatures budget committee, voted with Planned Parenthood 100 percent of the time. By 2015, the group was celebrating a fourth straight year without enacting any new abortion restrictions in Nebraska, thanks largely to committed womens health advocates engaged in the legislative process.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/04/25/why-was-heath-mello-thrown-under-bus
Like many of his supportersincluding some of his most fervently pro-choice onesMello told me that he would like abortion to be a private matter between a woman and her partner, or her conscience. So long as womens rights are under threat, that cant happen. But when I ask Mello if, when he says he will not restrict womens reproductive care, that includes abortions, he doesnt equivocate: Of course. I thought that was obvious.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)JI7
(89,248 posts)although i think he would have lost anyways.
mayor races are usually more about local matters which are not always very partisan.
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)Why would you be doing the enemy's work for him?
Cha
(297,187 posts)else is. This is about Heath Mello. He wasn't in the gd primary.
Why are you accusing the OP of "doing the enemies work for them"
mythology
(9,527 posts)Don't be disingenuous. This silliness needs to stop.
Cha
(297,187 posts)from those who try to deflect from the issues by throwing the word "primary" around.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Good question for Mello regarding his ACA abortion vote.
And we are not "facing a coup d'etat." That already happened on Novemer 8 when the presidency was stolen from the popular vote winner.
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)If you're going to refight the primary wars in defiance of the board rules can you please do so with honesty and consistency?
Thanks.
PS Kaine loves abstinence education too.
Edit: Oh yeah, and "informed consent" laws that involves lying to women about imaginary consequences of abortion, a mandatory ultrasound that exists for slut shaming and not for safety (we know this is the case because rape victims are exempt) and a mandatory waiting period.
Cha
(297,187 posts)not in the primary.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)This is getting really fucking old.
Cha
(297,187 posts)it's getting really fucking old.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)I have a memory that lasts longer than six months and I seem to recall a lot of people who are all about women's rights and party purity now telling people who objected to the Kaine pick based on his anti-choice views to STFU and let the pragmatic, reasonable people talk.
I also recall that an awful lot of those same people were really, really hostile to LGBT rights not all that long ago.
So yeah, getting really tired of this bullshit.
Cha
(297,187 posts)Only that you quit trying to pin it on "refighting the primaries".
Honestly, some mornings I come here and see the primary rehashing going full speed and wonder if maybe Trump resigned during the night and no one has told me yet.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Well said!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)extreme right wing anti-choice legislation is going to do more harm than someone who might have been anti-choice personally but who never sponsored or voted to impose those personal beliefs onto women.
Does that memory extend to anything that might make the two equivalent in anyway? I don't seem to recall the people you are attacking being in any way equivalent to Mello and his LEGISLATIVE and VOTING record. What I'm seeing right now, and my memory extends to the past two weeks is people who were all about purity and being the very epitome of "progressive" perfection were screeching about pragmatism was evil and that one must be 100% pure period, and for everyone else to STFU.
I recall that these same purity folks really didn't mind about hostility to LGBT rights, as long as they came the pure ones, so perhaps the bullshit that's so tiring is coming from those who seem to vacillate from one extreme to another all the while proclaiming how their own purity somehow should and must be ignored, that false equivalency is just fine and that extremely rabid anti-choicers sponsoring and voting for legislation that seeks to BAN abortion just when it's medically necessary, targets and harms women who are poor and in rural and underserved areas, and who sign onto letters begging for the Keystone Pipleline are somehow pure if the anointed ones say so.
I think we're all tired of the lies, the vacillation and pure bullshit, enough with the lies and the attacks on Democrats who have been the ones making the actual progress on LGBT and Women's rights, while the pure ones have no problem with sacrificing them on the altar of purity. When states rights trump LGBT rights and women's basic human rights are not worth of protection, proclaiming purity is pure bullshit, attacking Democrats whose records disprove these lies is even more so.
If the bullshit is as tiring as it's tiresome, then I'd suggest that to spare us all, people should stop piling it up in these divisive, toxic comments that are not reality or fact based. I understand the need to "defend" one's favorite candidate from imagined attacks, but doing so by slinging BS at Democrats by LYING about their record or defending huge mistakes by once again LYING about their record, is not how a reasonable or legitimate way to do so. There is a reason that both lying and false equivalency are fallacies of argument, and more often the tools used by the right wing and others who have no actual argument to back them up.
Mello is simply not equivalent to Kaine, and Hillary's track record throughout her career is impeccable in terms of human rights to suggest otherwise is to be deliberately dishonest. We had enough of these lies, we've been tired of that bullshit for decades now.
Cha
(297,187 posts)And an AMEN! Shine the LIGHT!
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)can produce any legislation where he attempted to force his personal viewpoints on anyone at all. He's free to make any decision he'd like about his own uterus, the problem comes when, like Heath Mello and his fellow rabid anti-choicers, try to block women from accessing needed medical procedures because his uneducated and rather sadistic beliefs require that women suffer and die due to made up propaganda of the extreme right wing, rather than what the doctors are telling you.
ACOG (the OB/GYN group) states specifically that the things Mello was trying to push into law are DANGEROUS to women. These two men are not equivalent neither are their records. This was a blunder by Bernie and if this is what Kleeb and their Revolution is all about, they can go take a powder, because Democrats will not put up with this BS.
Nebraska apparently has an utter failure and an unreliable person in their Democratic chair, they already have a hard battle in a red state, they're going to need all the help they can get. I hope that their local Indivisible, Resistance and Emerge groups are on the ball, and we'll need to check in periodically to ensure they're getting all the help they can get, from the DNC and Democrats around the country who are paying close attention to what's going on. We can't let poor leadership and the abandonment of core issues stand, simply because people have infiltrated our grassroots with questionable commitments to core beliefs.
moriah
(8,311 posts).... if we're going to talk about Democratic pro-life Senators.
My "litmus test" for any candidate about to have a role in forming, voting, or signing legislation is that they agree to uphold Roe v Wade regardless of personal beliefs. Casey used the fact Obama was going to veto the attempted federal 20-week ban to give a "protest vote" for cloture (the Repukes never took it to a vote on the bill itself knowing that it'd be vetoed), Kaine refused because there was no adequate and enforceable health exception under Roe, even if he could have showboated like Casey did.
At least Casey, so far, is sticking with the caucus when it counts, regarding the Mexico City policy.
I don't mind people having personal opinions. I like that the Dems like that, like Casey, aren't the hypocritical "anti-choice" view, of "pro-life", but want to reduce economic reasons for abortions as well as increase family planning (his call for that was roundly rejected by the GOP of course, because sluts who get pregnant shouldn't get to complete an education in their world). So long as they hold to Roe, I'm going to not have to hold my nose *terribly* hard. I still might vomit if the only way to get Tom Cotton out of Arkansas is to vote for a Democrat who says they won't screw with first-trimester abortions, but feel Roe allows some restrictions in the 2nd trimester. But I know I'd vote for the Dem.
melman
(7,681 posts)how all the same people that say how terrible this is that Sanders endorsed Mello...
also think it was terrible that Bernie's endorsement(supposedly) hurt him.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=9051066
Curious indeed.
WellDarn
(255 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)WellDarn
(255 posts)Every day we see another OP flaming Sanders for his endorsement of Mello. Most of those OPs have a hundred or more replies attacking, often personally, anyone who suggests that Mello's [past] position on choice is no reason to not vote for the Democrat in the race. Every one of those OPs had multiple replies accusing "leftists" of being anti-female.
When we get to the point where we are having honest and accurate discussions about Mello, Sanders, and the "left" in general instead of constant vilification for contrived "offenses" against moderates' idea of a progressive agenda, maybe then this subject can be called moot.
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WellDarn
(255 posts)beam me up scottie
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