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Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
Sun May 14, 2017, 09:58 AM May 2017

DT shows how desperately the US needs to have better tools for removing a president...

Trump loves to look at running a country like running a business. Well if this were almost any business and Trump were the CEO the board of directors would have long ago fired him.

This also shows how the powers of the office of President also need to be reigned in IMHO. At the very least fine tuned.

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DT shows how desperately the US needs to have better tools for removing a president... (Original Post) Locut0s May 2017 OP
Agree. The hurdles are so high. femmocrat May 2017 #1
the tools are there....it takes congress and right now democrats have zero power beachbum bob May 2017 #2
Unfortunately, he has greater legal protections in office.. so even if he wants to quit.. he really MedusaX May 2017 #3
To begin with we needed his taxes during the elections. Madam45for2923 May 2017 #4
No, we need a more aggressive free press, curbs on cotributions, and a better informed electorate Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #5
Curbing the powers of the president is long overdue Kentonio May 2017 #6
So basically leadership by committee SticksnStones May 2017 #12
It has nothing to do with leadership by committee. Kentonio May 2017 #14
Our constitution provides checks and balance SticksnStones May 2017 #18
Why would that make it fatally flawed? Kentonio May 2017 #20
Imagine if the president had to seek congressional approval to pardon or commute? Jake Stern May 2017 #17
Imagine all those immoral rich conservatives Kentonio May 2017 #19
Depends who is in charge Jake Stern May 2017 #22
True. Kentonio May 2017 #23
I said, in 1974, that the constitution is weak when the need to remove a president is obvious. John1956PA May 2017 #7
Mixed feelings no_hypocrisy May 2017 #8
I agree Dem2 May 2017 #15
We have adequate tools. We lack the political will. dawg May 2017 #9
Tools are only as good as the people using them... JHB May 2017 #10
63 million people want(ed) him there... jmg257 May 2017 #11
Some laws need to be passed so someone like octoberlib May 2017 #13
What is to stop a future GOP held congress from utilizing those tools to boot a Dem president? Jake Stern May 2017 #16
Heck, we can't even shuck off a clear rot called the Electoral College much less something bigger UTUSN May 2017 #21

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
1. Agree. The hurdles are so high.
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:07 AM
May 2017

I think the best bet is to try to get him to resign. We need some republicans to step up and do their patriotic duty for that. (Fat chance!)

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
3. Unfortunately, he has greater legal protections in office.. so even if he wants to quit.. he really
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:17 AM
May 2017

Cannot afford to..
unless he chooses to go strait to a country with no extradition

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
5. No, we need a more aggressive free press, curbs on cotributions, and a better informed electorate
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:19 AM
May 2017

Someone like Trump should never get near the oval office in the first place. If it was easier to get rid of a President Republicans would have removed Obama and Hillary wouldn't have lasted 100 days in office if she had gotten there.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
6. Curbing the powers of the president is long overdue
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:28 AM
May 2017

No-one should have the power to arbitrarily pardon anyone they please, and no-one should be practically immune to law enforcement charges. It should also be impossible for anyone to launch a first strike nuclear attack solo, or indeed to carry out military action. You don't need full congressional approval, but at least the heads of the relevant committees should have to sign off to ensure a madman can't kill people for no reason.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
12. So basically leadership by committee
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:24 AM
May 2017

I don't think I'd sign on to that.

We need fairer elections, and laws requiring releasing taxes once a candidate.

A country needs a clear, definitive leader...and an election process that prevents electing a madman in the first place.


And CITIZENS UNITED must be overturned. Take the dark money out of politics!!

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
14. It has nothing to do with leadership by committee.
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:52 AM
May 2017

It's about having reasonable and sensible limitations on the power provided to any one person. Most other countries have those checks and balances, as they recognize that the amount of responsibility and trust it places in an individual is too high.

That should be obvious to us too now. We're in a situation where a deeply disturbed and possibly mentally unbalanced liar is in the Oval Office. He's being investigated for serious crimes along with many of his associates, and if he chooses not only can he pardon them at will, but he could also launch either a conventional or even nuclear strike to distract attention and there is absolutely nothing you, I or anyone else can do about it. That's ridiculous.

SticksnStones

(2,108 posts)
18. Our constitution provides checks and balance
Sun May 14, 2017, 01:32 PM
May 2017

Changing the constitution to prevent someone like Trump isn't the answer, IMO.

Preventing a madman from getting into the WH in the first place is the flaw in the system.

Addressing those procedural weaknesses through clearer regulations on candidates' financial disclosures, an elimination of dark money and a tighter, FEDERAL LEVEL set of standards for voting integrity would go a long way to prevent this from happening again.

I push back strongly on the notion that the problem in the Trump fiasco is that our Constitution is fatally flawed in allowing the Presidency too much power.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
20. Why would that make it fatally flawed?
Sun May 14, 2017, 01:54 PM
May 2017

It worked fine for a long time, but times change. Tweaking it to keep it relevant to the age we actually live in doesn't disrespect it's many strengths.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
17. Imagine if the president had to seek congressional approval to pardon or commute?
Sun May 14, 2017, 12:58 PM
May 2017

Republicans would love that because it means that all those low level, non-violent drug offenders about to be sent upriver for decades or even life by Sessions and his legal goons cannot be freed by a compassionate president like our previous one.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
19. Imagine all those immoral rich conservatives
Sun May 14, 2017, 01:51 PM
May 2017

Who wouldn't get to walk away scot free from their crimes..

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
22. Depends who is in charge
Sun May 14, 2017, 03:34 PM
May 2017

Even if congressional oversight were in place the situation as it stands right now they'd still walk free.

John1956PA

(2,654 posts)
7. I said, in 1974, that the constitution is weak when the need to remove a president is obvious.
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:34 AM
May 2017

Nixon would have hung on if the Democrats had not controlled both houses of congress.

no_hypocrisy

(46,088 posts)
8. Mixed feelings
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:59 AM
May 2017

If it were easier to remove a president, it would become the priority of a republican House with regard to a democratic president. Not just making that president one term, but to humiliate him-
/her to an impeachment hearing.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
9. We have adequate tools. We lack the political will.
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:06 AM
May 2017

Republican voters, by and large, approve of Trump. Until this changes, nothing will be done.

JHB

(37,159 posts)
10. Tools are only as good as the people using them...
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:08 AM
May 2017

...and consider that if there were "better tools" to remove presidents, the Republicans would have certainly employed them against Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. And would have broken out that toolbox on Day 1 of a Hillary Clinton presidency.

The problem is that one of our major political parties has lost its collective mind.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
11. 63 million people want(ed) him there...
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:21 AM
May 2017

Tough call to make it easy to remove him.

Win elections...they have huge consequences.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
13. Some laws need to be passed so someone like
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:30 AM
May 2017

trump can never gain office again. All candidates should have to release their tax returns by law. If they've ever been sanctioned for money laundering, they are automatically disqualified from running for President. Start there.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
16. What is to stop a future GOP held congress from utilizing those tools to boot a Dem president?
Sun May 14, 2017, 12:51 PM
May 2017

Be careful what you wish for. . . . . . . .

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