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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOut of all Chump's statements this one will come back to bite him in his ample ass.
-Donald Trump
DU lawyers please check me here. That is a classic admission against interest that creates legal exposure. Trump is suggesting he fired Comey for investigating him. That's obstruction of justice.
2naSalit
(86,331 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)I especially enjoyed the Saturday Night Massacre, so nice of Taylor and Mensch to have notably historical timing.
EXCLUSIVE: Sealed Indictment granted against Donald Trump, Manafort, Flynn
Link to tweet
Mme. Defarge
(8,013 posts)"Its an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)The gravamen is said he fired Comey for investigating him.
Mme. Defarge
(8,013 posts)But what does he mean by "they should have won? Is he admitting that he won when he shouldn't have? Is he denying his own legitimacy?
Wounded Bear
(58,602 posts)He's still harping on how big his win was. Somehow we are supposed to believe that at one and the same time, it was the biggest landslide in history while it is also the biggest upset in history.
Yes, Dems should have won, but his gang managed to squeak by in three key states by less than 100k votes to get the EC margin he needed. All done with a LOT of questionable electioneering and voter suppression.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Further reporting suggests that the encounter was even more sinister, with Trump insisting that Comey pledge loyalty to him in order to retain his job. Publicly saying he saw nothing wrong with demanding such loyalty, the president turned to Twitter with a none-too-subtle threat that Comey would regret any decision to disseminate his version of his conversations with Trump something that Comey has every right, and indeed a civic duty, to do.
To say that this does not in itself rise to the level of obstruction of justice is to empty that concept of all meaning. Obstruction of justice was the first count in the articles of impeachment against Nixon and, years later, a count against Bill Clinton. In Clintons case, the ostensible obstruction consisted solely in lying under oath about a sordid sexual affair that may have sullied the Oval Office but involved no abuse of presidential power as such.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-must-be-impeached-heres-why/2017/05/13/82ce2ea4-374d-11e7-b4ee-434b6d506b37_story.html?utm_term=.f27bbfbf4084
More:
-Susan Bloch, Georgetown law professor
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/12/trump-comey-admission-obstruction-justice-debate-238339
-Peter Zeidenberg, former federal prosecutor now with law firm Arent Fox
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/12/trump-comey-admission-obstruction-justice-debate-238339
-Jeff Cramer, former federal prosecutor
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/12/trump-comey-admission-obstruction-justice-debate-238339
Do I think that one statement is the basis for an obstruction of justice charge? No. Do I think that one statement is part of the basis for an obstruction of justice charge? Yes.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Having enough evidence of "probable cause for a charge" and having enough evidence "to reliably secure a conviction", are two different things.
It's common for the concepts of "evidence" and "proof" to be conflated by lawyers, let alone non-lawyers.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Would you agree the statement was reckless, imprudent and only invites further scrutiny, and could only be made by someone who is ignorant of the law or who thinks he or she is above it ?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)My hope is we regain the House in 018 , begin impeachment proceedings, and slow walk the process through the 2020 election.
Do you think the GOP flacks who say there is absolutely no there there are ignorant or disingenuous?
We know his associates have been talking to the Russians. We don't know what they were taking about though we have a rough idea with Flynn. So the question is was what they were taking about actionable and did they discuss it with Trump.
We also need to know what dealings Trump himself has.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)They are waiting to see if this whole "Trump is insane" thing is just going to blow over.
As if.
Then there are the ones who are themselves compromised.
But I don't see him lasting until 2019.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...was when a client was doing a swimsuit calendar and video shoot at a swinger's resort in the Caribbean. He invited me to come down to deal with some contractual issues related to the production and so, yeah, I hung out for a couple of days at a swinger's resort in the Caribbean, of all things.
I had just arrived, unpacked, and was hanging out at the bar waiting to meet the client and the production crew, and from a stage on the other side of the bar/dining complex, someone was announcing some kind of contest or whatever that was drawing people over to that area.
I asked some guy at the bar, "What's going on over there?" as he was getting up to go over to participate in whatever it was, and he said, I shit you not:
"I don't know, but I hope it's something dirty!"
That's about where I am right now.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)I would watch supermodels getting screwed, well-known supermodels getting screwed, on a bench in the middle of the (Studio 54) room.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Because "I wanted to spend more time with my family" is certainly not going to cut it.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)That would fall under witness intimidation.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Question:
Why would Trump threaten Comey in his tweet? Really, really? What was he trying to accomplish?
What exactly did that tweet mean. You better hope there are no recordings,,,, blah blah blah.
What is he telling him to do or not do?
Mme. Defarge
(8,013 posts)he did it on impulse thinking it was a real "gotcha".
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Chump and his associates have trashed him, have accused him of "atrocities." That's just wrong.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)1. Is Comey a witness in any proceeding? No.
2. Was Comey warned about anything having to do with testifying? No.
3. What was he being warned about? Leaking. Is it illegal to warn someone against leaking? No.
Now the larger point is one of intimidation generally, but yeah, you'd have to connect some dots.
MedusaX
(1,129 posts)by Josh Blackman
May 2016
Trump has already promised that he will knowingly break the law and violate the Constitution.
Free speech?
He will open up the libel laws to allow public officials to sue the media, and use the Federal Communications Commission to fine critics.
Private property?
To Trump, eminent domain is a wonderful thing and is not actually taking property because the owner can move two blocks away.
Faithfully executing the law?
His harebrained scheme to make Mexico pay for the border wall ignores the clear text of a statute and unilaterally prohibits foreign commerce.
Serving as commander in chief?
Trump has already pledged that he would violate international treaties and domestic law. The military wont refuse his illegal orders. Believe me, he promised.
Protecting our national security? Trump has lauded FDRs internment of Japanese Americans, one of the darkest hours in the history of our Republic.
And what about the Supreme Court?
Assuming he keeps his promise to appoint conservative jurists and that this promise is not merely a negotiating tactic Trumps approach would likely mirror that of George W. Bush:
appoint justices who will defer to bold assertions of federal power.
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The glue that holds our Republic together is the separation of powers something the presumptive Republican nominee seems utterly unconcerned with.
Perhaps I can illustrate the separation of powers with an image even Mr. Trump will understand: a wall.
The separation of powers exist between the three branches to block one faction from abusing and exploiting the other.
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In such a regime, our most fundamental freedoms are in jeopardy.
However, under Donald Trumps constitution of one, there would be no wall.
There would simply be a Boardwalk Emperor, unconstrained by the rule of law, who will do something terrific . Sad.
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annabanana
(52,791 posts)over the course of a few years..
. . . walking disaster
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)thinks through what he says. I don't think he thinks at all.
He fired the person investigating him. That's obstruction. What else can it be?
aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)...and, therefore, it was ok to fire Comey.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)wont impeach
he cant be indicted, so to speak, as president
GOP really no longer are patriots, I know I say this several times a day, but it is a fact.
If he is indicted and they dont impeach, then we are at a point where something must be done and I dont want to think about that.