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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:13 AM May 2017

Out of all Chump's statements this one will come back to bite him in his ample ass.




“In fact, when I decided to just do it (fire Comey) , I said to myself, I said...You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.”


-Donald Trump



DU lawyers please check me here. That is a classic admission against interest that creates legal exposure. Trump is suggesting he fired Comey for investigating him. That's obstruction of justice.
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Out of all Chump's statements this one will come back to bite him in his ample ass. (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 OP
Those last seven words... 2naSalit May 2017 #1
The *** Self-Impeachment of Trump Week *** has certainly been a memorable experience. L. Coyote May 2017 #2
Is this an admission of guilt????????? Mme. Defarge May 2017 #3
He said he fired Comey because he was investigating him DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #4
Clearly obstruction of justice. Mme. Defarge May 2017 #6
Meh, it's a typical Trumpism... Wounded Bear May 2017 #8
I'll take "Obstruction of Justice in one sentence", Alex jberryhill May 2017 #5
Professor Tribe thinks he created legal exposure for himseld DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #7
Depends on context of what "basis" is jberryhill May 2017 #15
Would you agree the statement was reckless, imprudent, and only invites further scrutiny... DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #16
Abso-fucking-lutely jberryhill May 2017 #18
I do not expect the GOP Congress to check him. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #19
I think enough are going to start inching away slowly jberryhill May 2017 #20
Do you believe they will impeach him ? Do you believe he will walk away without a fight? DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #21
The weirdest job I ever did... jberryhill May 2017 #24
Our president: The man who received 80% of the Evangelical vote and spoke at Liberty University DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #25
It's just hard to think of what his excuse for resigning would be jberryhill May 2017 #26
and his tweet threatening Comey. Madam45for2923 May 2017 #9
I forgot that. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #10
Question: Why would Trump threaten Comey in his tweet? What was he trying 2 accomplish. Madam45for2923 May 2017 #11
Like everything else he does Mme. Defarge May 2017 #13
I want to hear from Comey. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #14
The argument would be this jberryhill May 2017 #17
If only people had taken this law professor's Creative Speculation seriously in 2016 MedusaX May 2017 #12
This came as no surprise to anyone who has watched this guy annabanana May 2017 #22
He opens his mouth and words fall out. I don't think he mountain grammy May 2017 #23
Could be or he was trying to say the investigation was moot or irrelevant.... aikoaiko May 2017 #27
Even with the indictment apparently coming at him, for HIM, it wont matter if the GOP Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #28
More damning was his public plea to Russia to commit espionage for his personal gain unblock May 2017 #29

Mme. Defarge

(8,013 posts)
3. Is this an admission of guilt?????????
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:21 AM
May 2017

"It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
4. He said he fired Comey because he was investigating him
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:25 AM
May 2017
“In fact, when I decided to just do it (fire Comey) , I said to myself, I said...You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.”


The gravamen is said he fired Comey for investigating him.

Mme. Defarge

(8,013 posts)
6. Clearly obstruction of justice.
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:33 AM
May 2017

But what does he mean by "they should have won? Is he admitting that he won when he shouldn't have? Is he denying his own legitimacy?

Wounded Bear

(58,602 posts)
8. Meh, it's a typical Trumpism...
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:42 AM
May 2017

He's still harping on how big his win was. Somehow we are supposed to believe that at one and the same time, it was the biggest landslide in history while it is also the biggest upset in history.

Yes, Dems should have won, but his gang managed to squeak by in three key states by less than 100k votes to get the EC margin he needed. All done with a LOT of questionable electioneering and voter suppression.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
7. Professor Tribe thinks he created legal exposure for himseld
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:38 AM
May 2017
Trump accompanied that confession with self-serving — and manifestly false — assertions about having been assured by Comey that Trump himself was not under investigation. By Trump’s own account, he asked Comey about his investigative status even as he was conducting the equivalent of a job interview in which Comey sought to retain his position as director.

Further reporting suggests that the encounter was even more sinister, with Trump insisting that Comey pledge “loyalty” to him in order to retain his job. Publicly saying he saw nothing wrong with demanding such loyalty, the president turned to Twitter with a none-too-subtle threat that Comey would regret any decision to disseminate his version of his conversations with Trump — something that Comey has every right, and indeed a civic duty, to do.

To say that this does not in itself rise to the level of “obstruction of justice” is to empty that concept of all meaning. Obstruction of justice was the first count in the articles of impeachment against Nixon and, years later, a count against Bill Clinton. In Clinton’s case, the ostensible obstruction consisted solely in lying under oath about a sordid sexual affair that may have sullied the Oval Office but involved no abuse of presidential power as such.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-must-be-impeached-heres-why/2017/05/13/82ce2ea4-374d-11e7-b4ee-434b6d506b37_story.html?utm_term=.f27bbfbf4084

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"If he was firing him to shut him up that could be obstruction of justice, or if he did it to impede the investigation..."

-Susan Bloch, Georgetown law professor

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/12/trump-comey-admission-obstruction-justice-debate-238339



"If he didn't obstruct justice, [Trump] is walking right up to the line in an incredibly reckless way. He admitted that he was concerned about the Russia investigation. ... Just because it is legal to fire Comey does not end the analysis, It is legal to throw one's own computer in the river. But if the reason you are throwing that computer in the river is because of damaging information that you have reason to know the government is seeking as part of a criminal investigation and you are trying to hide, you have an obstruction of justice case."

-Peter Zeidenberg, former federal prosecutor now with law firm Arent Fox

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/12/trump-comey-admission-obstruction-justice-debate-238339



"...Public officials shouldn't get a carte blanche to take any action regardless of their intent. ... If the president did this specifically to impede the investigation, you could look at obstruction as a proper charge."

-Jeff Cramer, former federal prosecutor

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/12/trump-comey-admission-obstruction-justice-debate-238339


Do I think that one statement is the basis for an obstruction of justice charge? No. Do I think that one statement is part of the basis for an obstruction of justice charge? Yes.


 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
15. Depends on context of what "basis" is
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:30 AM
May 2017

Having enough evidence of "probable cause for a charge" and having enough evidence "to reliably secure a conviction", are two different things.

It's common for the concepts of "evidence" and "proof" to be conflated by lawyers, let alone non-lawyers.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
16. Would you agree the statement was reckless, imprudent, and only invites further scrutiny...
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:35 AM
May 2017

Would you agree the statement was reckless, imprudent and only invites further scrutiny, and could only be made by someone who is ignorant of the law or who thinks he or she is above it ?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
19. I do not expect the GOP Congress to check him.
Sun May 14, 2017, 12:38 PM
May 2017

My hope is we regain the House in 018 , begin impeachment proceedings, and slow walk the process through the 2020 election.

Do you think the GOP flacks who say there is absolutely no there there are ignorant or disingenuous?

We know his associates have been talking to the Russians. We don't know what they were taking about though we have a rough idea with Flynn. So the question is was what they were taking about actionable and did they discuss it with Trump.

We also need to know what dealings Trump himself has.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
20. I think enough are going to start inching away slowly
Sun May 14, 2017, 12:42 PM
May 2017

They are waiting to see if this whole "Trump is insane" thing is just going to blow over.

As if.

Then there are the ones who are themselves compromised.

But I don't see him lasting until 2019.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
24. The weirdest job I ever did...
Sun May 14, 2017, 01:15 PM
May 2017

...was when a client was doing a swimsuit calendar and video shoot at a swinger's resort in the Caribbean. He invited me to come down to deal with some contractual issues related to the production and so, yeah, I hung out for a couple of days at a swinger's resort in the Caribbean, of all things.

I had just arrived, unpacked, and was hanging out at the bar waiting to meet the client and the production crew, and from a stage on the other side of the bar/dining complex, someone was announcing some kind of contest or whatever that was drawing people over to that area.

I asked some guy at the bar, "What's going on over there?" as he was getting up to go over to participate in whatever it was, and he said, I shit you not:

"I don't know, but I hope it's something dirty!"

That's about where I am right now.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
25. Our president: The man who received 80% of the Evangelical vote and spoke at Liberty University
Sun May 14, 2017, 01:20 PM
May 2017

“I would watch supermodels getting screwed, well-known supermodels getting screwed, on a bench in the middle of the (Studio 54) room.”

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
26. It's just hard to think of what his excuse for resigning would be
Sun May 14, 2017, 01:23 PM
May 2017

Because "I wanted to spend more time with my family" is certainly not going to cut it.
 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
11. Question: Why would Trump threaten Comey in his tweet? What was he trying 2 accomplish.
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:52 AM
May 2017

Question:

Why would Trump threaten Comey in his tweet? Really, really? What was he trying to accomplish?

What exactly did that tweet mean. You better hope there are no recordings,,,, blah blah blah.

What is he telling him to do or not do?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
14. I want to hear from Comey.
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:56 AM
May 2017

Chump and his associates have trashed him, have accused him of "atrocities." That's just wrong.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
17. The argument would be this
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:52 AM
May 2017

1. Is Comey a witness in any proceeding? No.

2. Was Comey warned about anything having to do with testifying? No.

3. What was he being warned about? Leaking. Is it illegal to warn someone against leaking? No.

Now the larger point is one of intimidation generally, but yeah, you'd have to connect some dots.

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
12. If only people had taken this law professor's Creative Speculation seriously in 2016
Sun May 14, 2017, 10:55 AM
May 2017
Donald Trump’s Constitution of One
by Josh Blackman

May 2016

Snip

Trump has already promised that he will knowingly break the law and violate the Constitution.

Free speech?
He will “open up the libel laws” to allow public officials to sue the media, and use the Federal Communications Commission to fine critics.

Private property?
To Trump, eminent domain is a “wonderful thing” and is not actually “taking property” because the owner can move “two blocks away.”

Faithfully executing the law?
His harebrained scheme to make Mexico pay for the border wall ignores the clear text of a statute and unilaterally prohibits foreign commerce.

Serving as commander in chief?
Trump has already pledged that he would violate international treaties and domestic law. The military “won’t refuse” his illegal orders. “Believe me,” he promised.

Protecting our national security? Trump has lauded FDR’s internment of Japanese Americans, one of the darkest hours in the history of our Republic.

And what about the Supreme Court?
Assuming he keeps his promise to appoint conservative jurists — and that this promise is not merely a negotiating tactic — Trump’s approach would likely mirror that of George W. Bush:
appoint justices who will defer to bold assertions of federal power.

Snip

The glue that holds our Republic together is the separation of powers — something the presumptive Republican nominee seems utterly unconcerned with.
Perhaps I can illustrate the separation of powers with an image even Mr. Trump will understand: a wall.
The separation of powers exist between the three branches to block one faction from abusing and exploiting the other.

Snip

In such a regime, our most fundamental freedoms are in jeopardy.
However, under Donald Trump’s constitution of one, there would be no wall.
There would simply be a Boardwalk Emperor, unconstrained by the rule of law, who will do something terrific . Sad.

Snip

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
22. This came as no surprise to anyone who has watched this guy
Sun May 14, 2017, 12:52 PM
May 2017

over the course of a few years..

. . . walking disaster

mountain grammy

(26,598 posts)
23. He opens his mouth and words fall out. I don't think he
Sun May 14, 2017, 01:06 PM
May 2017

thinks through what he says. I don't think he thinks at all.

He fired the person investigating him. That's obstruction. What else can it be?

aikoaiko

(34,163 posts)
27. Could be or he was trying to say the investigation was moot or irrelevant....
Sun May 14, 2017, 01:24 PM
May 2017

...and, therefore, it was ok to fire Comey.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
28. Even with the indictment apparently coming at him, for HIM, it wont matter if the GOP
Sun May 14, 2017, 01:38 PM
May 2017

wont impeach
he cant be indicted, so to speak, as president

GOP really no longer are patriots, I know I say this several times a day, but it is a fact.

If he is indicted and they dont impeach, then we are at a point where something must be done and I dont want to think about that.

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