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Why should I pay for ________? (Original Post) William769 May 2017 OP
You tell 'em, Barbara from Dubuque! wildeyed May 2017 #1
Why should I pay for Melania Trump's security detail? Initech May 2017 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author lunasun May 2017 #3
Reminds me of some jerk I was forced to talk to (for work) complaining about paying taxes lunasun May 2017 #4
Next time find a way to say, "I sure see that differenty" or "I don't see it like that duhneece May 2017 #33
It was a sales customer involved in my work so you know they - customers are always right lunasun May 2017 #40
Yeah, we had patients when I worked at a cancer treatment center say that right wing crap duhneece May 2017 #41
62% of our town's budget goes to the Board of Education, and.... George II May 2017 #5
Thom Hartmann has a fabulous rant that answers that question. He follows a person from the time Doitnow May 2017 #6
A self proclaimed billionaires food,lodging,travel,security,golf, complete ignorance MedusaX May 2017 #7
Love it iluvtennis May 2017 #8
Retweeting plus K&R yuiyoshida May 2017 #9
K&R Paka May 2017 #10
Oliver Wendell Holmes - 1927 Stonepounder May 2017 #11
In a nutshell! n/t Beartracks May 2017 #13
Great and easy to memorize for those who've know it's time to speak up duhneece May 2017 #34
Very nice. dalton99a May 2017 #12
The problem is calling it insurance Yupster May 2017 #14
profound distinction BarbD May 2017 #28
That's correct. And that causes much confusion in the healthcare debate. n/t PoliticAverse May 2017 #29
Investment in the future central scrutinizer May 2017 #39
K&R PunkinPi May 2017 #15
Also 62 yr old man had an mother at one point. Zing Zing Zingbah May 2017 #16
For the same reason this 74 year old woman medicare payments fund prostrate checks/operations. n/t sarge43 May 2017 #17
Same reason this 37 yo woman pays for boner pills crazycatlady May 2017 #18
Bazinga! Wawannabe May 2017 #31
That's always a line from pukes......... Bengus81 May 2017 #19
K&R... spanone May 2017 #20
Why pay for corproate subsidies, fighter jets, nuclear missiles, Melania's security IronLionZion May 2017 #21
Do you want to live in an un-eductated community Luka Boyd May 2017 #22
Republicans answer that with a big You Betcha! DFW May 2017 #35
Uneducated people? No one wants to live in a community full of them. SharonAnn May 2017 #38
I would add, why should I pay for wars I don't agree with, such as the invasion of Iraq? raccoon May 2017 #23
Because that's how insurance works. dsharp88 May 2017 #24
Posted yesterday packman May 2017 #25
Why should I pay for men's Viagra?? riversedge May 2017 #26
Hey Rod (oh, what a perfect name_ why should I, a woman, have to pay for viagra? niyad May 2017 #27
I suppose so. Makes sense. But that's not what he's talking about. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #30
Oh lawdy gurls! Wawannabe May 2017 #32
what he said was fuck civilization. send the grover types to somalia if they hate government pansypoo53219 May 2017 #36
Returning to the well once again not fooled May 2017 #37

Response to William769 (Original post)

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
4. Reminds me of some jerk I was forced to talk to (for work) complaining about paying taxes
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:10 PM
May 2017

It was on or around the 4/15 tax deadline, never took a breath spewing all the anti tax rw crap that is so common nowadays

Then went on to tell about a great trip he just had through a national park and he just flew back yesterday. I am sitting there thinking of the FAA who got his plane safely up and down . Both airports and all the government workers there for security and order , roads traveled to and from his destination etc.
oh and did he say a national park ???????

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duhneece

(4,105 posts)
33. Next time find a way to say, "I sure see that differenty" or "I don't see it like that
Mon May 15, 2017, 03:10 PM
May 2017

That usually shuts them up, but occasionally they'll ask how you see it then. No, we can't be knowledgeable about everything so you have a short answer (like you'll read here) that covers most things.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
40. It was a sales customer involved in my work so you know they - customers are always right
Tue May 16, 2017, 11:04 AM
May 2017

I really do not give a shit or care to enlighten them at the expense of my career just sickening to hear all the stupid why should I pay ,no taxes for me, freeloaders, selfish crap. They are clueless and think most fed taxes go to welfare, Obamacare and abortions.

duhneece

(4,105 posts)
41. Yeah, we had patients when I worked at a cancer treatment center say that right wing crap
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:01 PM
May 2017

...and I got to where I couldn't stand it. These folks, however, I'd had an established relationship with so I felt free to say that little memorized statement.
And I said it with a huge smile and grin, letting them know I adored them (and did)...you are in the really tough spot.

George II

(67,782 posts)
5. 62% of our town's budget goes to the Board of Education, and....
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:16 PM
May 2017

...I've never had children and I was educated in the NYC school system.

"Why should I pay for" our town's school system? It's just the way it is, Congressman Blum!

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
6. Thom Hartmann has a fabulous rant that answers that question. He follows a person from the time
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:34 PM
May 2017

he gets up till he goes to sleep with things that need being paid for. He includes big business interests that use public institutions in their every-day affairs which they try mightily to avoid paying for. A lot of it is called the "commons."

MedusaX

(1,129 posts)
7. A self proclaimed billionaires food,lodging,travel,security,golf, complete ignorance
Sun May 14, 2017, 11:55 PM
May 2017

Not to mention Security details for his adult children and their children as they galavant across the globe to conduct business & enjoy themselves on vacation...

duhneece

(4,105 posts)
34. Great and easy to memorize for those who've know it's time to speak up
Mon May 15, 2017, 03:28 PM
May 2017

It's time for all of us to push ourselves to do more, to go where we used to be stopped by nervousness....if you know you'd get too angry, get some counseling. For real. And/or meditate.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
14. The problem is calling it insurance
Mon May 15, 2017, 03:44 AM
May 2017

With insurance, you insure against risks you don't want to face alone. You don't insure against things you don't think you'll face.

Taxes are a whole different issue.

I think the answer is to just agree that healthcare should not be covered by insurance, it should be covered by taxes, just like education, bridges and libraries.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
16. Also 62 yr old man had an mother at one point.
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:34 AM
May 2017

Was it not important to the 62 yr old man that he was born and that his mother's health was cared for? I think it was. By not wanting to pay taxes to support maternity care for others you are basically saying you are selfish and don't care about other human beings. These kind of attitudes shouldn't be tolerated in our society, but they have been for a long time. I think our society is falling apart because we are too capitalistic it. I think capitalism rewards sociopathic behavior and our society is ruled by sociopaths now. They don't give a shit about us and have no qualms with stealing from us and hurting us. The Republican party is stocked full of sociopaths. They celebrate taking medical care away from other people. I don't know what else you call that.

Bengus81

(6,907 posts)
19. That's always a line from pukes.........
Mon May 15, 2017, 09:16 AM
May 2017

Certainly when they no longer have THEIR kids in school,they think property taxes they pay funding them should drop down to nothing.

IronLionZion

(45,258 posts)
21. Why pay for corproate subsidies, fighter jets, nuclear missiles, Melania's security
Mon May 15, 2017, 10:17 AM
May 2017

and any of the things Republicans like?

Luka Boyd

(49 posts)
22. Do you want to live in an un-eductated community
Mon May 15, 2017, 10:49 AM
May 2017

Even if you dont have kids in school, do you want to live in a community of grossly un-educated people? And watch what happens to your property values if your school district is poor.

DFW

(54,051 posts)
35. Republicans answer that with a big You Betcha!
Mon May 15, 2017, 03:28 PM
May 2017

Poor education means ignorant voters, and ignorant voters mean more elections going to Republicans. For them, it's a matter of self-preservation.

SharonAnn

(13,766 posts)
38. Uneducated people? No one wants to live in a community full of them.
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:20 PM
May 2017

Health care people who can't read prescriptions, figure out dosage, administer meds properly?

Auto mechanics who can't diagnose a problem much less fix it?

Carpenters who can't figure out angles and stress? Like your buildings falling down?

Etc., etc., etc.

raccoon

(31,089 posts)
23. I would add, why should I pay for wars I don't agree with, such as the invasion of Iraq?
Mon May 15, 2017, 11:09 AM
May 2017

Great OP and some great replies here.

dsharp88

(487 posts)
24. Because that's how insurance works.
Mon May 15, 2017, 11:18 AM
May 2017

Of course, we can always get rid of health insurance altogether and introduce Medicare for All plan.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
30. I suppose so. Makes sense. But that's not what he's talking about.
Mon May 15, 2017, 01:59 PM
May 2017

He's talking about HIM having to buy maternity care. Not having to pay for someone else's maternity care because his premiums are thrown into the pool.

There really is an argument to be made for all Obamacare (individual market) policies not being the same. It's like a group policy, but the individuals are, well, individuals, and so have no negotiation power, like a business. And the individual market doesn't give individual plan buyers a cut on the cost because it's a group plan, like businesses get when they buy a group policy. It really doesn't seem to make much sense, except as a "I get to charge you more" reason, since the ins. cos. get to pocket that money for benefits that not only will never be used by the insured, but CANNOT be used by him.

Maybe there's another reason for that, but I don't see it. It was never really explained, except to say that they wanted to protect people from being sold policies that didn't provide good benefits. But that has nothing to do with an ins. co. selling maternity benefits to someone that that medical condition cannot apply to. ???

Wawannabe

(5,580 posts)
32. Oh lawdy gurls!
Mon May 15, 2017, 02:54 PM
May 2017

You should see my (soon to be ex's) face when I talk about healthcare paying for boner pills and NOT birth control.

Oh lord it is fucking priceless!
I sometimes bring it up just for meanness. But certainly every time healthcare is raised as a topic. Lol

pansypoo53219

(20,906 posts)
36. what he said was fuck civilization. send the grover types to somalia if they hate government
Mon May 15, 2017, 03:28 PM
May 2017

so much. that is where we are headed. anarchy.fans of lord of the flies because they are not losing.

not fooled

(5,791 posts)
37. Returning to the well once again
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:12 PM
May 2017

of conning their dimwitted followers by stirring up their anger and resentment against paying for the "undeserving".

When they want to divert attention from the fact that they are robbing us in order to give tax cuts to the wealthy, they find a group to pick on that they think their dumbass voters will naturally resent.

Case in point: their latest spin re the AHCA is that the healthy shouldn't have to pay for those freeloaders who make bad health care choices, e.g. diabetics.

Doesn't matter whether the argument makes sense or has reality behind it. All the puke spin meisters want is a target their base can be propagandized into being against.

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