We do not fat shame. We do not slut shame.

[B2G]

We do not pick on the children of politicians. Unless our target is a Republican.

Got it. This place has become untenable and I bid you farewell. I'm sure I'll be sorely missed.

[uppityperson]

1. It sucks when duers do that. Most of us don't, but those that do are not cool

[hlthe2b]

2. you are right, of course... All we can do is keep fighting it.

[B2G]

4. You know what? I'm tired of trying.

I've alerted. I've posted on these threads and have been called all manner of things as a result. I'm done. These threads are becoming more numerous because they are allowed to exist and actively encouraged by a large number of members. That's what this place has become I guess, and I don't want to be a part of it.

[Demsrule86]

16. You alerted on criticisms of Trump and his deplorable offspring?

[B2G]

18. No. Not criticisms. And it's not just him. nt

[Warpy]

3. You've missed the point. The one being fat shamed has a history of fat shaming women

A very LONG history of fat shaming women, especially women who are a normal size and body type. He is one of the worst, a hideous man who is morbidly obese himself, projecting that onto any woman he sees.

He is an appropriate target. Otherwise, most of us have learned to STFU about body type.

I'm so sorry criticism of Dolt45 has so upset you.

[B2G]

5. Thank you for making my point for me. nt

[Demsrule86]

15. Personally...I think any criticism of the illegitimate president is fair game.

[SpicyBoi]

50. Including the allegation that BLM

Was funded by Russians

[Demtexan]

9. I agree with you.

It is not everybody just a certain person.

Who has it coming.

He did not have run for president or act like a jerk.

What goes around comes around.

[Warpy]

11. It helps that he's vain

You know when he looks in the mirror, he sees himself at 25. Reminders that he's no longer Adonis are necessary.

I just can't get upset at anyone who points out the obivious in his case or in the case of any other man who fat shames women.

[B2G]

13. Message deleted by DU the Administrators

[Demtexan]

37. I do not think fathers should post pictures of half naked daughters.

Or be looking at them.

I feel sorry for Barron.
With the last of name of Trump.
He will at some point have to deal with it.
His father is really hated and that is a fact.
He will be a man in about 10 years.
What then.
His mother needs to start to work with him on this.
If she doesn't he is in trouble.
Right now he can be hidden away in an expensive school but he will still hear things.
Hide him in a private schools now but his last name is Trump.

The world will never love his daddy.
Safe places will not work forever.

[womanofthehills]

66. So you had no problem with Miss USA saying health care was a not a right?

I think what Miss USA said about health care not being a right was worse then "a Republican fuckbuddy".

and I think Cohen is a creep - because he is bigly involved with Russiagate. Is that the only photo he could come up with of his daughter? Would Obama ever post a photo like that of one of his daughters - NEVER EVER. Why would anyone on DU defend Cohen?

I am bothered that your concerns are only for Republicans - Michelle can't wear a sleeveless dress without comment but we can't comment on someone being an underwear model. It's the news. Guilfoyle becoming Press Sec is NOT the scary concern to you - but her underwear photos are.

And Warpy was right about Trump's hypocrisy - an obese man fat shaming women who are barely overweight. Sorry, but this just begs for comments esp. when he is photographed eating his junk food.

[LanternWaste]

20. It's fun to rationalize in ourselves that which we criticize in others.

It's fun to rationalize in ourselves that which we criticize in others. No doubt, I imagine you'll justify it as relevant to both policy and law as well, and that it is absolutely constructive in both the mid-terms and his eventual removal. Because fiction isn't just for badly written sci-fi anymore...


"I'm so sorry criticism of Dolt45 has so upset you..."
I imagine your sorrow is as as sincere and truthful as your rationalizations. You'll certainly allege as such.

[MineralMan]

6. Oh, dear. Well, if you must go, I guess you must.

DU has always had ample diversity, which sometimes includes misunderstandings as people learn from each other. As with all groups, some patience is needed. Oh, well...

[JCanete]

29. that's an excellent point. nt

[RedWedge]

7. Yeah, that's a battle I've dug into a couple times, and it's frustrating.

The master's tools won't dismantle the master's house, Audre Lorde said. But many on DU just can't wait to pick up those tools and start swinging.

[NCTraveler]

8. Don't go.

I have seen fat and slut shaming on occasion here since I started reading. I haven't really noticed an uptick. Some days something happens and there can be more of it seen. Other days we don't see any at all. I have not replied in certain threads today dealing with a lawyers daughter because of how vile I felt the direction was. At one point in my tenure here I would address each and every one of them hoping it would be educational. Didn't always work out well as far as conversations go.

The thoughts most members hold about these issues is one of the reasons I love it here. An overwhelming majority truly care and don't take part. That said, ten or so posters can sometimes make themselves look like a majority. I venture over to freeperville every now and then. Just about every single post with multiple replies has some element of racism, sexism, bigotry, etc.

[Ms. Toad]

51. Except that it's not an overwhelming majority -

At least not of those who are serving on juries.

And it's not just fat/slut shaming. There's also a lot of using being gay as a battering ram recently. I've commented in the thread, I've alerted, and all I've gotten for my effort is 1 hide (out of perhaps 20), verbal abuse, and 2 24-hour alert time-outs becasue 0 out of 7 people thought it was perfectly fine to call Trump (or whoever the latest target is) gay as an insult , and appealing to the admins. (I've never had a single one before this latest uptick - perhaps not in quantity, but in thinking it is OK to use a traditionally despised group as an insult because "anything is fair game" against Republicans - including, apparently, sending the message to LGBT, women, fat people, etc. that being LGBT, women, fat people, etc is pretty vile (because otherwise it isn't an effective insult).

[NCTraveler]

58. I think you are making assumptions about juries that can't be made.

It wouldn't shock me if a considerable number of posters have opted out. There could also be more OperationMindCrime posters here.

Some of the attacks we have seen recently should easily garner a hide, yet they stand. I fully agree with you there. I also think we have far too much justification going on that is probably part of the reason for the juries. That in itself is not justifiable.

I think there is currently a greater chance of our posts in this conversation being hidden than the slut shaming or bigotry directed at republicans/conservatives.

[Blue_Tires]

10. Did I miss something?

[Demsrule86]

12. Donald Trump's adult children who are in his administration illegitimately

are fair game.

[crazycatlady]

19. Eric and JR are too

They have put themselves into the spotlight. Jr is campaigning in Montana on behalf of the GOP.

[Volstagg]

21. Slut and fat shaming aren't just about the person who is the target.

Fat shaming Trump has an impact on everyone dealing with body issues. Slut shaming impacts all women.

But, sure, they have it coming and they are fair game.

[Demsrule86]

59. I don't understand why you care what others say about Trump.

It certainly does not reflect on you...nor can you do anything about it. I would also add that Trump has a habit of slut shaming, calling people fat and rape...

[womanofthehills]

70. or care what others say about sleezy Cohen or about a Miss America who believes the American people

do not deserve health care.

[milestogo]

14. What about fat sluts?

Sorry but I couldn't resist.

[NightWatcher]

22. Shame on you

Oh shit, am I in trouble now?

[milestogo]

25. It's OK to shame the politically incorrect.

[womanofthehills]

72. I would love to shame Cohen for all the people he has fucked over.

[rzemanfl]

24. OMG! The correct term is BBW. n/t

[milestogo]

26. Are all BBWS sluts?

[rzemanfl]

28. Google it and decide. n/t

[mnhtnbb]

34. I hope not as my initials are BBW!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. What's a BBW?

[rzemanfl]

30. See above. n/t

[Bucky]

40. Only if their parents are Republican politicians

[athena]

17. Please stay.

Just put those people on ignore. I have hundreds on ignore. It makes DU a much better place to limit one's interactions to those who are here to have a civil discussion. Sometimes I check my ignore list, and I find that many of the people on it have been banned or are no longer posting.

If you go, you will be letting the trolls and the sociopaths win. Please stay.

[NewDealProgressive]

23. Тяцмр is a fat bastard who criticizes people for being fat.

So, fuck him. Open season.

[MFM008]

32. Agreed

I've lost 110 pounds. I have 80 to go. I'm fat. Been fatter.
Maggot is a fat slut.

[berksdem]

35. congrats on the weight loss...

100 pounds is impressive. I want to lose 30 pounds but need to get off my arse!!!

[Bucky]

41. Ditto

Good luck. I started taking my bike to work. My legs hurt, and the weight ain't going away yet, but hope lives

[Hortensis]

42. Hey, impressive. Go, MFM!

I'm sure you were always "beautiful," but guarding health is a good thing too.

[emulatorloo]

76. CONGRATULATIONS! That's extremely hard work.

It takes so much determination and discipline. Best wishes on the journey ahead.

(I lost a hundred pounds several years ago)

[MFM008]

81. Thanks all

For your support

[vi5]

31. I'm starting to think the D in DU stands for "Double Standard"

There's a lot we seem to be either accepting of or aghast at now that we had the exact opposite opinion on not that long ago.

So much lame justifications for shitty behavior going on.

[Hortensis]

43. Hey, hundreds of active members are being blamed for

a handful of people with seemingly low standards of behavior. We're entitled to be offended, and yet... Gee, how nice of us to joke about it instead?

[Bettie]

33. Children of Politicians?

OK, the little one (Baron?) he's off limits, he's a minor.

Agent Orange's adult children have inserted themselves into the debacle that is our country these days. They are adults and not immune to criticism.

The fat jokes, well, I don't like them, but it isn't as if he's this bright, shining beacon of morality.

Not sure where the slut-shaming was, unless you are speaking of AO's lawyer showing a lingerie picture of his daughter. The point wasn't that she shouldn't have done the photo shoot, it was that it is skeevy for her DAD to be posting sexually provocative photos of his daughter. As a survivor of sexual abuse by my own father, that sets off all sorts of alarms in my head.

Bye. You know, I'm sometimes disappointed in this place, but I relax and give it a few days and things settle down. It's all about whether you choose to find something good to take away or obsess over the bad.

There is more good than bad here overall.

[Polly Hennessey]

36. Goodbye n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

38. Take what you need, leave the rest n/t

[JenniferJuniper]

47. but they should never have taken the very best

[beaglelover]

39. We gotta start going low when they go low. We ain't winning doing the 'when they go low, go high'

routine. Sorry, if that offends you. I want to win again.

[Demtexan]

44. Nice just gets you so far.

We need start winning.

[berksdem]

45. I do believe that

minors should be off limits. I don't like the "shaming" but agree it is time we fight the fight that is in front of us. Trump and his older children are not off limits IMO. They are in the limelight b/c of Daddy so they get what is coming to them.

I did not see the post that the OP is responding to so I can't comment on that specific thread. But, I do believe we need to stand up and fight - we aren't winning. Stand up against the Trump adults (use that term loosely) and put them under fire.

[Hortensis]

48. Can't. Behaving that way would mean no longer

being us. Being principled isn't a label on one's lapel, it's behavior, adherence to principle. And if America loses the one party that stands for and protects the principles our liberal, liberal-leaning, and moderate founding fathers established, they will be no longer.

[Ms. Toad]

53. What you're not getting is that everytime you go low by using fat to shame Trump

you are telling fat members of DU that you find them disgusting. Because fat doesn't work as an insult, unless it is inherently bad.

So even if you think going low tactics are appropriate against Republcans, it is absolutely not appropriate for you to use tactics that leave the floor littered with all of the LGBT/fat/women/ you just collaterally insulted.

[Demtexan]

56. I need to drop 30 lbs.

And I will.

I am working on it.

I do not feel like I am being shamed.

However you are feel good about yourself.

[Ms. Toad]

63. Tell that to the 41% of trans individual who have attempted suicide,

the next time a jury lets a mAnn Coulter comment slide by, or the 21% of gay men who have a suicide plan (with 12% having attempted it the next time the cock holster crack is made, or - more relevant - the obese and extremely obese teens who engage in suicide ideation at 31% and 81% higher rates than their normal weight peers the next time fat shaming post is left standing because everythig goes to take down a Republican - even if we end up creating collateral damage among the population who is also being shamed sub voce.

I'm in a number of groups that are targeted for shaming - and I'm just fine, as well. But that doesn't make it OK.

The emotional health of individuals in a disparaged group does not make it OK to use people who are trans, gay, or fat as a bludgeon on people we hate. Even if some individuals in groups which are the target of society's hatred remain able to feel good about themselves and not be bothered.

Telling someone to feel good about themself doesn't make it possible for them to carry out that direction - and it is not ok to make it worse because we are not creative enough to find insults that do not require the use of people as battering rams.

[Demtexan]

67. Again it goes back to liking yourself period.

I know it is not easy.
I have have known a lot of people who fit outside the box.
What other people think about you means nothing.
It is just words.
The only power people have over you is the power you give them.
I learned that a long time ago.
Be who you are and be happy.
in the end you are the only one that can make this happen.
Words only have power you give them.

[Ms. Toad]

73. You're victim blaming.

It is a fantastic perspective to achieve. I'd even go so far as to say it is lifesaving.

But it is not appropriate to demand of individuals whose lives are hard enough, largely becasue of society's hatred of them, that their communities have an increased suicide ideation or attempts of 50% to 1000% over their non-stigmatized peers. Nor is it appropriate for a progressive community to say "tough noogies - pick yourself up, you weakling, and stop whining" when members of those groups ask you to stop because you are reinforcing the amount of hatred and stigma heaped on their heads.

Be creative enough to find insults that don't require you to use people's lives as insults.

[Demtexan]

74. No you are.

At some point people have to grow up and take care of themselves.
If they want to give power to other people so be it.
If they want to care about what other people think about them so be it.
Happiness and being at peace with yourself is something each person has deal with.
Nobody else can do it.
Hope you find peace in your life.
Life is better that way.

[sarisataka]

64. We gotta be MORE

Deplorable so we can WIN!!!
I sure won't lose any sleep giving up all of my standards as long as we WIN!!

[pintobean]

46. It's been a pleasure, B2G.

You've been a sane and reasonable voice here.

[petronius]

49. I'd prefer you didn't go, but if you do then happy trails to ya...

[Skittles]

52. LOL, that's the way to change things

RUN

[B2G]

54. I'm not running, but I've come to realize

That it's not going to change and will likely just get worse.

That's called cutting your losses, not running away.

[Demsrule86]

60. I would merely avoid such posts...you know perfection does not exist right?

[Skittles]

62. call them out

I don't have much sympathy for politicians' children who are actively pimping for the GOP

but I really don't care for fat shaming

[LanternWaste]

82. We often rationalize running away by use of faith-based prophecies.

"it's not going to change and will likely just get worse..."

We often rationalize running away by use of unsupported, faith-based prophecies. I'ts convenient and allows us to pretend our courage and convictions are intact and that cowardice is simply "cutting our losses..."

[leftstreet]

55. You're not wrong

It's a double standard and the whole thing sucks. It's especially cringe-worthy when the underlying sentiment is basically "he/she is really nice for a ____ person" Fill in with fat, gay, black, etc. No one stops to analyze it

Unfortunately, it's easy to grab for low-hanging fruit when you're really, really angry, frustrated, and feeling powerless. Yet not realize the attitudes you've just exposed

You should stay and keep explaining it

Because it looks like that lardass Trump will be around for a while

[mythology]

57. I agree with you that to many DUers are willing to say things like that

But there are enough who don't for me to stick around. I find that sort of name calling sad for the person using it. If the worst thing I can think to say about Trump is that he's overweight, then my debate skills are in a sad state of affairs. I don't dislike Trump because he's overweight, or even that he seems to be in denial about it.

And the best way to show I believe throwing around vapid insults on those sorts of things, isn't by doing so myself. There are plenty of policy and personality reasons to say that Trump is a lousy human being without being a hypocrite.

But the way to fight that sort of culture is to fight it. Is to not give in to it. Reject their faulty arguments. Be better than the the people who engage in juvenile physical insults. Sure some will cling to them, but that's about who they are as a person.

[raccoon]

61. Do what you want to do, go where you're going to.

Think for yourself cause I won't be there with you.

--George Harrison

[sarisataka]

65. If some people didn't have double standards

They wouldn't have any standards at all...

[JI7]

68. what do you think of trump revealing classified info to russia ?

[USALiberal]

69. I agree, makes Dems look as bad as any rude GOP idiot. Why use appearance? Grade school BS. n/t

[cwydro]

71. All kinds of slurs are now accepted. Gay slurs, fat slurs, gender etc...

Many DUers seem to have slipped seamlessly into the deplorable category. But it's Ok because of the shitgibbon. Obviously, they are completely irony impaired. They have become him, and his followers. Ugh.

Sickening.

I hope you reconsider; many of us are not on board with this nonsense.

K and r.

[Ms. Toad]

75. Oh, but we should just smile, pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, and be happy.

Take one for the Gipper. Just like always, and everywhere else.

In case it's necessary.

[cwydro]

77. I have no idea what you are talking about.

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But I'll never stoop to their level.

Here's a news flash; they are better at it; let them wallow in their filth. We won't get anywhere acting that way. But go on your merry path to hatefulness if that's what you want.

They will then have succeeded in bringing us into the mud where they dwell. So go on - sling gender insults and gay slurs, mock fat people and poor people...keep at it. When you lie down with dogs, you wake up with fleas. Ugh. Good luck with that.

No thanks.

[Ms. Toad]

79. Scroll up in the thread

to where I'm being lectured about needing to pull myself out of the muck by my bootstraps. (I.e. it's all my fault if being used as an insult bothers me.)

[pintobean]

80. +1

And, you're another one of the sane voices here.

[Warren DeMontague]

78. Chris Christie wants to use "unhealthy habits" to justify putting 60 million pot smokers in prison

Bullshit if Im not going to point out that that fatass has no business lecturing people about what is or isnt a healthy habit.