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NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:20 PM May 2017

There are still code words that I cannot say or I'll end up in federal prison.

It's been 10+ years and one such project that I worked on has since been declassified, but there are still projects that are above top secret that rely on SCI and Code Word clearances.

If he told the Russians a fucking code word project, intel, or sources or methods HE NEEDS TO BE IN FUCKING LEAVENWORTH FEDERAL PEN!!!

LOCK HIM UP NOW BEFORE HE DOES MORE DAMAGE!!!

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There are still code words that I cannot say or I'll end up in federal prison. (Original Post) NightWatcher May 2017 OP
Are you not familiar with IOKIYAR? LonePirate May 2017 #1
No, if he did this and it's proven, the IC will finish him off. NightWatcher May 2017 #2
The crazy thing is, if our IC ventilated him Mr. Ected May 2017 #4
Or vice versa. The creature has always been able to leverage his way out of the chaos he spreads. haele May 2017 #8
The acronym comes from the crazy-making hypocrisy of the "Family Values" Party... Hekate May 2017 #16
It is the area before the "Dead girl/Live boy" boundary forgotmylogin May 2017 #43
I'm thinking that's happening now (via leaks) janterry May 2017 #32
Then somehow, the courts must be brought into play. CaliforniaPeggy May 2017 #3
Message deleted by DU the Administrators FiveGoodMen May 2017 #7
Nope. We are not supposed to elect people like this. MGKrebs May 2017 #12
It wasn't so much the system failed madokie May 2017 #19
Message deleted by DU the Administrators FiveGoodMen May 2017 #39
I'm not, and I bet I'm not alone...Please explain what this means. whathehell May 2017 #20
It's OK if you're a Republican LonePirate May 2017 #28
Ok, I got it. whathehell May 2017 #49
IC will do it in a way that you won't know they did it IronLionZion May 2017 #27
I am concerned if this stupid shit put anyone in harms way... pbmus May 2017 #5
Code projects are often very segmented and if someone uses this info to put pieces together NightWatcher May 2017 #6
no legal action for a President on classified material. He has absolute authority to declassify. grantcart May 2017 #9
He can declassify, but there is a process that must be followed. He cannot just summarily airmid May 2017 #24
+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #36
but not a criminal offense. grantcart May 2017 #40
Thank you for keeping secrets. Ilsa May 2017 #10
Unfortunately, the law allows a President to de-classify intelligence.. HOWEVER, pnwmom May 2017 #11
Personnel and expense and embarrassment bucolic_frolic May 2017 #13
Imagine the scene DFW May 2017 #14
The is the NEW "West Wing" - bravo! Have you taken movie/TV rights yet? erronis May 2017 #42
Better watch out DFW May 2017 #50
But Hillary had a PRIVATE email server! B Stieg May 2017 #15
That wasn't hacked. Historic NY May 2017 #21
I hope counter Intel NewRedDawn May 2017 #17
Yup. Me too. MineralMan May 2017 #18
Have an "n" on me. rzemanfl May 2017 #22
Thanks. I put it where it belonged. MineralMan May 2017 #23
Yep. And he doesn't understand much of anything anyway. nt Susan Calvin May 2017 #38
Oh, wow. I can't believe it. I mean, I CAN believe it, but it's unimaginable. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #25
C'mon, just whisper them to me. AngryAmish May 2017 #26
The intel community will take care of the problem. Maybe a heart attach in bed down in Florida. LiberalArkie May 2017 #29
My brother worked for the Navy DK504 May 2017 #30
Same here . . . OldRedneck May 2017 #31
Not likely to be able to do that based on a single code word, or description of the project. SlimJimmy May 2017 #48
I know how you feel. My Mom was in the OSS during the War, and handled some of the Ultra material... First Speaker May 2017 #33
psssst! The Boush bowl flies left at midnight! Xolodno May 2017 #34
My husband had top secret clearance, not "code word" level, Hortensis May 2017 #35
Agree. I too had a Top Secret with a 3 letter caveat when I worked as a defense systems contractor iluvtennis May 2017 #37
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow May 2017 #41
Sadly, even this WH resident has the power to declassify Fiendish Thingy May 2017 #44
I'm so afraid. MontanaMama May 2017 #45
You're all protesting too much. None of the cheeto-lovers know anything about security erronis May 2017 #46
Maddow covering code word stuff right now. KewlKat May 2017 #47
Here's some code words benld74 May 2017 #51

LonePirate

(13,407 posts)
1. Are you not familiar with IOKIYAR?
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:28 PM
May 2017

The current Republican led Congress will not touch him. It's up to the courts, the FBI or his old, unhealthy body to save us.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
2. No, if he did this and it's proven, the IC will finish him off.
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:29 PM
May 2017

They will remove him from office, one way or another.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
4. The crazy thing is, if our IC ventilated him
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:31 PM
May 2017

The world would believe that it was Putin that did the dirty.

Trump is in all kinds of deep shit right now.

haele

(12,635 posts)
8. Or vice versa. The creature has always been able to leverage his way out of the chaos he spreads.
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:57 PM
May 2017

He's finally peter-principled himself into a position he doesn't have the ability to just buy or bribe his way out.

If the IC doesn't get him, Putin will leave him to the Russian Mob, who can't be that happy with the exposure they're getting from him.

Haele

Hekate

(90,538 posts)
16. The acronym comes from the crazy-making hypocrisy of the "Family Values" Party...
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:44 PM
May 2017

It's O. K. If You're A Republican.

Boink a female intern? IOKYAR
Get caught on the go-to list of a house of prostitution with side-notes that you love being diapered? IOKYAR.

And on and on and on. Publicized pecadillos, even corruption, that would bring down a Democrat's career seem to be IOKYAR

forgotmylogin

(7,519 posts)
43. It is the area before the "Dead girl/Live boy" boundary
Mon May 15, 2017, 09:10 PM
May 2017

which is usually the absolute third rail the rightwing can't excuse their way out of.

45's "I could shoot someone in public and people would still vote for me" also exists in the same Venn diagram.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,517 posts)
3. Then somehow, the courts must be brought into play.
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:30 PM
May 2017

Although I do think the FBI would be more than happy to have at him.

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
12. Nope. We are not supposed to elect people like this.
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:21 PM
May 2017

People aren't supposed to be so gullible, the electoral college is supposed to be a fail safe.
The system failed.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
19. It wasn't so much the system failed
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:46 PM
May 2017

The system was gamed

tRump and all his administration, appointees etc should be facing a court of their peers. Same as you or I or any of us would if we were guilty or suspected of this kind of misdeeds, illegal activity

LonePirate

(13,407 posts)
28. It's OK if you're a Republican
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:08 PM
May 2017

Basically, a Democrat can drop a paper clip on the floor and Republicans will call for that Dem's firing, resignation, imprisonment, impeachment, etc.

45 or another Republican could singlehandedly commit another 9/11 type of atrocity and fellow Republicans along with their lackeys in the DC press and at Fox News would dismiss it as nothing because IOKIYAR.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
27. IC will do it in a way that you won't know they did it
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:08 PM
May 2017

He's put people's lives in danger. They won't let it go.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
6. Code projects are often very segmented and if someone uses this info to put pieces together
Mon May 15, 2017, 06:38 PM
May 2017

people can very easily be in harm's way.

airmid

(500 posts)
24. He can declassify, but there is a process that must be followed. He cannot just summarily
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:57 PM
May 2017

blurt out classified info. Even the President must go through the proper channels depending on the info's classification. Or so I am led to understand.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
10. Thank you for keeping secrets.
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:00 PM
May 2017

Bless you for that.

I hope they do to him everything you mention: charges, removal, imprisonment.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
11. Unfortunately, the law allows a President to de-classify intelligence.. HOWEVER,
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:19 PM
May 2017

it doesn't seem that the law addresses the issue of a President de-classifying sensitive intelligence given to it by an ally.

bucolic_frolic

(43,032 posts)
13. Personnel and expense and embarrassment
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:22 PM
May 2017

incompetence at its highest level, a total waste of taxpayer resources
not to mention the lives potentially involved

DFW

(54,270 posts)
14. Imagine the scene
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:36 PM
May 2017

Trump: So, anything you guys want to know about the White House?

Russians: Actually, we'd like to know about your missile defense shield.

Trump: Well, I don't know if I'm supposed to tell you guys about that.

Russians: Aww, come on, Don, did we tell the American media how you promised us you'd do anything we wanted if we forgave your debt?

Trump: Yeah, I gotta admit, you have kept a lid on that. OK, take a look in this folder in my desk. But don't take any of it with you. Just take photos with your cell phones, OK?

Russians: OK. This stays between us. By the way, is this conversation being recorded?

Trump: Well, yes, it is, but only by the mikes your media guys installed here when they were here the other day.

Russians: You KNOW about that?

Trump: Sure. My guys found them five minutes after they left.

Russians: Then why didn't you have them removed?

Trump: I was going to do that, but then the FBI and CIA said it would be better to leave them in place for a while and feed you guys misleading information.

Russians: And are you doing that?

Trump: Well, do you find me lucid and coherent all the time?

Russians: To tell the truth, not especially.

Trump: There you go. Question asked, question answered.

erronis

(15,170 posts)
42. The is the NEW "West Wing" - bravo! Have you taken movie/TV rights yet?
Mon May 15, 2017, 09:08 PM
May 2017

We can all anxiously wait each weekly episode to find out how this fictitious scenario plays out. And then there's always the next year's drama. And the sturm-und-drang as the children and in-laws battle over the turf.

I'm giving this soap-opera about a 10 year run. Didn't "Dallas" last that long?

DFW

(54,270 posts)
50. Better watch out
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:38 PM
May 2017

Last edited Tue May 16, 2017, 03:10 PM - Edit history (1)

Or else I WILL turn this into a weekly soap opera! "The Worst Wing"

*on edit--I do have something in the pipeline that will make fans of George Benson either smile from ear to ear, or scream "Blasphemy!"

 

NewRedDawn

(790 posts)
17. I hope counter Intel
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:45 PM
May 2017

swept the White House after the Russians left. They probably laid down all kinds of listening devices right in front of the Fat Fuck. The Russkies were either laughing with or at the traitorous buffoon from the pics taken.

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
18. Yup. Me too.
Mon May 15, 2017, 07:45 PM
May 2017

And it's been almost 50 years in my case. People don't understand unless they've been in that situation. They just don't.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
25. Oh, wow. I can't believe it. I mean, I CAN believe it, but it's unimaginable.
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:06 PM
May 2017

WHEN will the Republicans start reigning in this madman?

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
29. The intel community will take care of the problem. Maybe a heart attach in bed down in Florida.
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:11 PM
May 2017

In was a contractor to a part of DOD 45 years ago. Worked for 10 different jobs from plumbing to telephone work. When I retired from the phone company at 65, I got a t shirt and coffee mug from the group I was contracted to in my 20's.

Yep if there is a problem with Trump, it will be taken care of. They never forget.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
30. My brother worked for the Navy
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:11 PM
May 2017

as a geologist for 25 years. He had a very high security clearance. If he had EVER uttered one misplaced word, BOOM. He would have been in prison.

WHY THE FUCK HASN'T THE CONGRESS STARTED IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS?????

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
31. Same here . . .
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:13 PM
May 2017

I retired in 1995 with TS/SCI and access to numerous compartmented programs that I can't talk about for life. Signed the same non-disclosure agreement you did.

Trump minions are now claiming that he did not reveal sources and methods. BULLSHIT. With the info, the Ruskies can backtrack to the sources and methods.

SlimJimmy

(3,180 posts)
48. Not likely to be able to do that based on a single code word, or description of the project.
Tue May 16, 2017, 12:11 AM
May 2017
Trump minions are now claiming that he did not reveal sources and methods. BULLSHIT. With the info, the Ruskies can backtrack to the sources and methods.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
33. I know how you feel. My Mom was in the OSS during the War, and handled some of the Ultra material...
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:15 PM
May 2017

...she was sworn to secrecy Big Time, and it wasn't made public for thirty years. When it was, she talked about it, of course. With relish. But imagine keeping something like that secret for 30 years! She told us that after awhile, you just kind of forget about it.

Xolodno

(6,383 posts)
34. psssst! The Boush bowl flies left at midnight!
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:19 PM
May 2017

...sorry, the joke was there, had to take it.


But, who wants to bet the CIA is already working with the FSB to take this guy out? The attention Moscow is getting is guaranteed not to their liking.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. My husband had top secret clearance, not "code word" level,
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:21 PM
May 2017

when he installed computer systems for the JPL, in the Pentagon, and military projects in Europe. In heading for 20 years he has not told me anything he was not supposed to. I know that because he never told me anything related to his work itself, not even just generally where in the Pentagon or in which department he worked.

iluvtennis

(19,827 posts)
37. Agree. I too had a Top Secret with a 3 letter caveat when I worked as a defense systems contractor
Mon May 15, 2017, 08:24 PM
May 2017

What an idiotic moron that they call president.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,545 posts)
44. Sadly, even this WH resident has the power to declassify
Mon May 15, 2017, 09:13 PM
May 2017

Just by speaking.

So no crime committed- however, it is more fuel for impeachment, which does not require any statutory laws be broken, as it is a political, not legal, process.

erronis

(15,170 posts)
46. You're all protesting too much. None of the cheeto-lovers know anything about security
Mon May 15, 2017, 09:20 PM
May 2017

Or honor, or security.

The cheeto lover's know they hate that gummint - they hate the gummit that doesn't let them lead their lives like bejezus would. They hate laws and regulations and taxes and everything - except when they need them.

I've know a lot of right-wing nuts who have served in various capacities in S/TS/Q/need-to-know situations. They may hate the overbearing reach of the government but they would NEVER do anything to harm our security.

Cheeto doesn't even know what side of the toilet paper to use.

Speaking of IC and Putin. He's shown a good use of polonium - not too fast but final.

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