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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Tue May 16, 2017, 01:54 PM May 2017

Holy ****: This statement from McMaster's former deputy

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/16/mcmasters-former-deputy-in-iraq-an-officer-must-not-just-stand-by-while-a-lie-is-being-promulgated/

The byline of the entire piece is Thomas Ricks, but the quoted segment is from Paul Yingling, McMaster's last deputy in Iraq:

Tom,

I haven’t anything to say to you regarding HR. He is my friend and my advice to friends is private. However, I would like to clarify a point regarding the honor code of the officer corps.

An officer may not tolerate a lie.

It is not enough that everything an officer says is true. This standard is too low; it allows an officer to omit facts that are relevant to the matter at hand.

It is not enough that everything an officer says is true and complete. This standard is too low; it allows an officer to remain silent while others lie.

An officer may not tolerate a lie. This standard requires not only that everything an officer says is true and complete, but also that an officer must correct anyone who lies in his or her presence. An officer can never be content with a half truth when the whole can be won.

A minor example illustrates this point. Prior to my retirement, my chain of command insisted that I have a public retirement ceremony. Such a ceremony would include the public reading of an award citation stating that the secretary of the Army valued my service. I informed my chain of command that if they read such a statement in my presence, I would be obliged to correct the record. They cancelled the ceremony.

You are welcome to use this statement in its entirety, attributable to me by name.

An officer may not tolerate a lie.

Regards,
Paul


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Holy ****: This statement from McMaster's former deputy (Original Post) Recursion May 2017 OP
"an officer may not tolerate a lie". furtheradu May 2017 #1
+++ agree iluvtennis May 2017 #17
Kick. dalton99a May 2017 #2
After 20 plus years around military officers, I assure everyone - officers tolerate lies quite well. Solly Mack May 2017 #3
Nice sentiment in the post, but I'm sure you are correct. nt Lucky Luciano May 2017 #5
I knew one Major who frowned on lies but he also listened to Art Bell Solly Mack May 2017 #7
but he didn't lie grantcart May 2017 #14
Not to his thinking. But that tends to be the case. Solly Mack May 2017 #15
Yep. nt Duppers May 2017 #11
Yingling knows that too; this was a message (nt) Recursion May 2017 #12
True. It was a message. Solly Mack May 2017 #13
1. True patriots should not tolerate lies either, GOP Senators and Reps! bdjhawk May 2017 #4
That would sound like a foreign language to Trump world wide wally May 2017 #6
The full quote.... Aviation Pro May 2017 #8
LOL. Good. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #9
Message deleted by DU the Administrators airmid May 2017 #10
Look, it worked for Bush with Powell ProudLib72 May 2017 #16
A soldier I can thank for his service. Jakes Progress May 2017 #18
Winnebagos of death? SCVDem May 2017 #19
It would appear he thinks McMaster should make amends. herding cats May 2017 #20

furtheradu

(1,865 posts)
1. "an officer may not tolerate a lie".
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:32 PM
May 2017

THAT, my Friends, is a Patriot.THAT is ETHICS.. MORALITY. Simple, yet profound.

THAT is what I expect of mySelf, my Family & Friends, any one in my life.. & our Nation's leaders.
I usually say "no tolerance for bs".

Thanks for this post!

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
7. I knew one Major who frowned on lies but he also listened to Art Bell
Tue May 16, 2017, 03:23 PM
May 2017

and thought his mission in life was to save the Middle East (for Jesus).

So...

bdjhawk

(420 posts)
4. 1. True patriots should not tolerate lies either, GOP Senators and Reps!
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:45 PM
May 2017

2. What was the lie in the award citation? That the Sec of the Army really didn't value his service? What is the story behind this? Is this a jab at an Obama appointed Sec of the Army? Looks like he retired in 2012.

Regardless, I appreciate the absolute clarity he provides regarding the standards an officer should meet.

Aviation Pro

(12,150 posts)
8. The full quote....
Tue May 16, 2017, 03:43 PM
May 2017

....emblazoned on the first day of OCS and one of my guiding principles for the past 34 years:

"An officer will not lie, cheat or steal or tolerate those that do."

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
16. Look, it worked for Bush with Powell
Tue May 16, 2017, 04:30 PM
May 2017

It works for tRump with McMaster. Maybe they don't like it, but there is a chain of command that ends with the president. They suck it up and tell those lies anyway.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
18. A soldier I can thank for his service.
Tue May 16, 2017, 04:42 PM
May 2017

Any officer supporting the current leaker in chief is not honorable enough to receive my thanks.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
19. Winnebagos of death?
Tue May 16, 2017, 04:49 PM
May 2017

Anthrax, WMDs, babies ripped from incubators, USS Liberty, Gulf of Tonkin and even the release of the Iranian hostages. etc, etc.

All they do is lie and the morons buy.

We are really a stupid country!

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
20. It would appear he thinks McMaster should make amends.
Tue May 16, 2017, 04:55 PM
May 2017

There's some truth there he wants out in the open quite seriously.

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