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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:15 PM May 2017

Elizabeth Warren Just Offered Terrifying Proof Republicans Have Given Up on Democracy

Elizabeth Warren Just Offered Terrifying Proof Republicans Have Given Up on Democracy
The GOP won't even let Democrats participate in negotiations over the Senate health care bill.
By Alexandra Rosenmann / AlterNet May 15, 2017

According to Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), "The Republicans have literally locked the Democrats out of the negotiations over the Senate health care bill. They have gone into closed rooms and they will not let the Democrats participate at all."

A week and a half later, "what the Republicans are planning to do with the House version of the bill remains a mystery [even] to those of us who serve on the committees to consider health care in America and those of us who are deeply concerned about the impact of health care changes on our home states," she told MassLive on Monday.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/elizabeth-warren-just-offered-terrifying-proof-republicans-have-given-democracy

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Elizabeth Warren Just Offered Terrifying Proof Republicans Have Given Up on Democracy (Original Post) workinclasszero May 2017 OP
This is what Gingrich and republicans have designed since 1993. no_hypocrisy May 2017 #1
Just wait for the Trumpcare abomination these scum balls will deliver up to cheeto cancer's desk workinclasszero May 2017 #4
My hope is that the House Reps will be butt-hurt forgotmylogin May 2017 #41
This is unfortunately our current atmosphere (current for over 25 years). BigmanPigman May 2017 #11
Yep. GoCubsGo May 2017 #14
"Let Medicare die on the vine". Gingrich's solution to rising cost. oasis May 2017 #20
Message deleted by DU the Administrators mvd May 2017 #2
Projection workinclasszero May 2017 #5
They always did. As former Republican John Dean sadly Hortensis May 2017 #25
And every single non Republican Senator JustAnotherGen May 2017 #3
Damn right workinclasszero May 2017 #6
This is bad, but it is benign when compared to other examples of them being done with democracy. StevieM May 2017 #7
Everything will turn around and Dems will be in control again. I keep thinking that Maraya1969 May 2017 #10
You bring up an interesting question. StevieM May 2017 #12
Yours is a good point too. And now I am really confused!!! Maraya1969 May 2017 #38
Trump sure paid Comey back for his help huh? workinclasszero May 2017 #15
He cheered Comey on regarding the October letter that sunk Hillary at the last moment Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #36
Looks like Comey might have the last laugh workinclasszero May 2017 #37
When Mitch says he wants less drama, he really means he wants to hurry and finish repeal, get tax Justice May 2017 #8
Once again a reminder of why 'bipartisan' should be banished from Democrats' vocabulary dalton99a May 2017 #9
+1000% mazzarro May 2017 #17
Message deleted by DU the Administrators FiveGoodMen May 2017 #23
And start Gerrymandering ourselves!!!!!! Amimnoch May 2017 #30
Oh to dream! Plucketeer May 2017 #33
another heads up early on bora13 May 2017 #13
The Senate will mull around with it for the next 6 months and won't have anything better to show politicaljunkie41910 May 2017 #16
I hope you're right not fooled May 2017 #19
GOP senators are trying to figure out how to stabilize the exchanges Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #35
Or they're waiting for the exchanges to meltdown..... lastlib May 2017 #39
The "Dream" scenario...(tin foil recommended...LOL!!) Moostache May 2017 #18
This is not giving up on democracy Scalded Nun May 2017 #21
This isn't the first time DarleenMB May 2017 #22
Yeah we need hard pipe hitting liberals who are ready to tell Republicans to go fuck themselves. 47of74 May 2017 #24
Well, Ryan and House Repugs did the same, didn't they?? riversedge May 2017 #26
Let this be a lesson to Democratic Sebators and House Reps DFW May 2017 #27
Let this be a lesson to Democrats. Jakes Progress May 2017 #28
Do we really need a shooting war again? SCVDem May 2017 #29
Republicans do not regard Democrats as legitimate. WinkyDink May 2017 #31
I'm glad Sen. Warren made a statement that defacto7 May 2017 #32
Not saying this is ok Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #34
Message deleted by DU the Administrators More_Cowbell May 2017 #40
The R's did that with the 2003 "Medicare D" act, too Grins May 2017 #42
I'm sure our republican overlords are plotting workinclasszero May 2017 #43
Didn't Democrats do the same thing when creating the ACA? Kablooie May 2017 #44
Not really. Here's an article from 2010 catbyte May 2017 #45

no_hypocrisy

(45,774 posts)
1. This is what Gingrich and republicans have designed since 1993.
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:19 PM
May 2017

To attain and keep a republican majority where negotiating with democrats wouldn't be necessary; their votes wouldn't be necessary.

To avoid compromise and diluting their legislation. To win all the time at all costs.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
4. Just wait for the Trumpcare abomination these scum balls will deliver up to cheeto cancer's desk
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:24 PM
May 2017

soon.

GoCubsGo

(32,061 posts)
14. Yep.
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:49 PM
May 2017

They're writing the 2017 version of "The Contract On America." I only hope that it backfires on them massively.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. They always did. As former Republican John Dean sadly
Tue May 16, 2017, 04:06 PM
May 2017

admitted after decades of observation, conservatives in office always seek to rule when they get control of government, not govern as representatives of the people, and they also dependably see office as a chance to share the wealth among themselves.

No new proof needed, this is a pattern of centuries. Individual cases of course excepted.

Strong conservatives are unsuited by nature to run democratic governments meant to be of, by and for the people. They do not believe in or accept the principles of equality, they fought democratic government in the days of our nation's establishment, and only ethics practices that in this era they've long since abandoned kept them at least slightly in check in the past.

And since they're half of us, they're always...half of us and are not going away. The notion that Democrats and others on the left are weaklings and losers is so wrong. We prevailed at the founding of our nation and have prevailed overall ever since. We owe all that we value to the strength of our liberal principles and progressive solutions and to all the liberals, moderate conservatives, and others who made them the defining rule of government.

Yes, conservatives joined wholeheartedly in the hard work of building a prosperous nation personal aggrandizement by personal aggrandizement, but we owe all our progressive societal advances and liberal principles of government to our centuries of victories for liberalism and progressivism over never-ending conservative resistance.

So there. We need to start being proud of ourselves for the right reasons and oppose them for the right reasons. Nancy knows.

JustAnotherGen

(31,686 posts)
3. And every single non Republican Senator
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:23 PM
May 2017

Better vote nay.

If this is going to happen - let the Republicans own it soup to nuts.

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
7. This is bad, but it is benign when compared to other examples of them being done with democracy.
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:27 PM
May 2017

What Comey did to rig the election is the ultimate example.

Sadly, people are starting to think that he might not have been so bad, since he also stood up to Trump after the election was over. In other words, after they got the White House back for the GOP and secured the open seat on the Supreme Court.

Maraya1969

(22,441 posts)
10. Everything will turn around and Dems will be in control again. I keep thinking that
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:33 PM
May 2017

if we can prove that Trump was illegitimately given the role of President then even if he is not impeached at some point, when Dems are in control they can fight to get rid of Gorsuch since he is an illegitimate SCJ

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
12. You bring up an interesting question.
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:46 PM
May 2017

Let's suppose HRC had won the election. And then Democrats had taken back the Senate, which they would have had it not been for the last minute Comey intervention. And then Schumer went nuclear when they tried to filibuster nominees to the Supreme Court. Finally, we assume that HRC would have gotten three appointments in her first two years, when RBG and Breyer retired.

Then in 2019 the Supreme Court issues a series of "liberal" rulings like blocking voter suppression methods, ending Citizens United and not allowing Roe vs. Wade to be gutted.

Is there any doubt that a President Scott Walker, if elected in 2020, would want to add new justices to the court? The Republicans would never tolerate a long-term Democratic majority on the high court. John McCain had already alluded to that before the election.

So haven't we already reached the point where the GOP's position is that composition of the court changes when one party takes control of the White House and both houses of Congress? And if we have then is it really reasonable to only allow that when one party is in charge, but not the other?

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,355 posts)
36. He cheered Comey on regarding the October letter that sunk Hillary at the last moment
Tue May 16, 2017, 05:26 PM
May 2017

Just another reason that his "reasons" for firing Comey were BS

Justice

(7,182 posts)
8. When Mitch says he wants less drama, he really means he wants to hurry and finish repeal, get tax
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:28 PM
May 2017

cuts passed and then he will begin to think about the damage done to our country.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
30. And start Gerrymandering ourselves!!!!!!
Tue May 16, 2017, 04:40 PM
May 2017

Come 2020, EVERY state that has a Democratic Party blue legislature majority better damn well gerrymander the fuck out of their districts. Marginalize and disenfranchise every damn "R" that they can!!!!

Do it shamelessly and do it proudly and don't even try to fucking hide it.. just like the other shitheads that are in charge now because of it.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
33. Oh to dream!
Tue May 16, 2017, 05:15 PM
May 2017

Marginalize and disenfranchise every damn "R" that they can!!!! Do it shamelessly and do it proudly and don't even try to fucking hide it.

Nice to imagine spit 'n spine like that, but we're incurably the party of "please and thank you".

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
16. The Senate will mull around with it for the next 6 months and won't have anything better to show
Tue May 16, 2017, 02:58 PM
May 2017

for it. McConnell has said they are in no rush. Whatever the outcome, the public will know whether their bill is better or worse than what we have now with Obamacare. Whatever they want to say about President Obama, he had dedicated people on the health care committee who were committed to solving the health care problem, not blowing it up. The problem will not be solved by cutting billions of dollars from the current system to give tax breaks to the wealthiest one percent. So while the Senate fiddles, and Rome burns, 2018 will be here before you know it and the House and Senate will both be facing elections. Their base may be dumb and stupid but even they will be asking the question, "what have you done for ME lately.) Ford announced today that they are cutting jobs. There will be no infrastructure bill passed. No wall on the border. No NAFTA renegotiated prior to the 2018 election. The GOP will have nothing to run on since they no longer have President Obama as the boogeyman. Their base will have Gorsuch but their kids will have no jobs when they leave college, and no healthcare. Bless them.

not fooled

(5,791 posts)
19. I hope you're right
Tue May 16, 2017, 03:32 PM
May 2017

but fear that they are plowing full steam ahead in secrecy, writing the bill to enshrine the tax cuts. Then, they will spring it on the public as a "done deal" and quickly reconcile with the House version.

They think they have 2018 and 2020 in the bag because of existing and planned further voter suppression. Therefore, they don't care how unpopular the AHCA is. They will cram it down our throats figuring that they will hold power regardless.

They will try to do the same thing with tax policy, i.e. enact huge tax cuts for the wealthy while looting popular programs.

Hope I'm wrong.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,355 posts)
35. GOP senators are trying to figure out how to stabilize the exchanges
Tue May 16, 2017, 05:23 PM
May 2017

while they develop their plan. In short, they don't seem to have any idea what they're going to do yet and no specific timetable (and the longer they drag it out, the better as it means that they don't have the votes or the ability and/or desire to just ram something crappy through).

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/gop-senators-discuss-short-term-health-care-measures-to-stabilize-market

lastlib

(22,981 posts)
39. Or they're waiting for the exchanges to meltdown.....
Tue May 16, 2017, 10:27 PM
May 2017

...so the effin' Rs can say, "See? we told you so!" then ram throught their shity-ass plan. Perhaps this is why McTurdle is "in no hurry to put out their "plan". I trust that POS as far as I can throw Denali.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
18. The "Dream" scenario...(tin foil recommended...LOL!!)
Tue May 16, 2017, 03:23 PM
May 2017

1) Trump manages to hang on in office through 2018...I have to be honest, THIS is very unlikely to happen IMO...the Trump Presidency to date reminds me of this:



2) The GOP manages to pass a health care massacre through the Senate by year's end and its as bad as we expect....guts pre-existing condition guarantees, dumps preventative care, is truly awful on Women's health care and reproductive care...at least then we have a HUGE millstone to hang on their necks...

3) A massive wave election happens in the mid-term, historically sweeping out the GOP from the House and Senate for a generation to come.

4) Ginsburg and Kennedy announce in a joint letter that they are both staying on the bench until January 2021 and not a day longer, setting up the 2020 election as a true SCOTUS / POTUS referrendum.

5) Trump continues on his downward spiral and creates an electoral college massacre unseen since Mondale took it on the chin against Reagan in '84.

6) Beginning in 2021, the country begins to return to rationale thought and reason as guiding principles and the work of repairing the system after Hurricane Donnie can begin in earnest.

TL,DR?
2018 - stop the bleeding, take the Congress
2020 - cauterize the wound, retake the POTUS
2021 - and on, rebuild the nation, stack the SCOTUS

DarleenMB

(408 posts)
22. This isn't the first time
Tue May 16, 2017, 03:59 PM
May 2017

they have done this. Which is why I have NEVER understood why the Dems are always so ready to "reach across the aisle."

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
24. Yeah we need hard pipe hitting liberals who are ready to tell Republicans to go fuck themselves.
Tue May 16, 2017, 04:05 PM
May 2017

We don't need the milquetoast types that have so hobbled the party over the past 25 years, who want to reach across the aisle and then go around with some shit eating grin and making a big show of patting themselves on the back for capitulating to Republicans.

DFW

(54,057 posts)
27. Let this be a lesson to Democratic Sebators and House Reps
Tue May 16, 2017, 04:31 PM
May 2017

NEVER forget how you were treated by the Republicans when they had the majority, and NEVER ignore to what extent they will go to preserve that majority.

Then and ONLY then will you ever understand the true nature of your opposition. Never again take anything off the table, because they never will.

Jakes Progress

(11,121 posts)
28. Let this be a lesson to Democrats.
Tue May 16, 2017, 04:38 PM
May 2017

Never let republicans win any office anywhere for any reason. Never divide yourself. Solidarity or die. Vote for the Democrat. Campaign for the Democrat. Elect the Democrat.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
29. Do we really need a shooting war again?
Tue May 16, 2017, 04:40 PM
May 2017

I wonder whose side LEO'S and the military will side with.

A Republican takeover of America or our founding values.

I fought for this country once and will do so again.

Maybe NATO will side with us against orange Hitler and his Reich!

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
32. I'm glad Sen. Warren made a statement that
Tue May 16, 2017, 04:43 PM
May 2017

backs up what most of us already knew. Now it's not just subjecitve opinion or speculation, it's facts coming from the inside.
Democracy is dead unless we cut them off at the root and that means getting ahold of the rigged voting process before they have another fake election. We can slay these treasonous bastards if the elections are fair. If the are not, it's over people.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,355 posts)
34. Not saying this is ok
Tue May 16, 2017, 05:18 PM
May 2017

but Democrats shouldn't want to participate in efforts to dismantle ACA, which is all Republicans are focusing on at the moment.

Grins

(7,134 posts)
42. The R's did that with the 2003 "Medicare D" act, too
Wed May 17, 2017, 11:46 AM
May 2017

Republicans blocked Dem Senators from the reconciliation with the House version of the $400 billion Medicare Prescription Drug Modernization Act. Their version forbid the feds from using its buying power to get lower prices, that one action gave Big Pharma a $26 Billion gift.

Kablooie

(18,572 posts)
44. Didn't Democrats do the same thing when creating the ACA?
Wed May 17, 2017, 12:46 PM
May 2017

I think I remember Republicans complaining that they had no input in the bill.

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