Did Comey Sacrifice Hillary to Get at Trump and His Traitor Posse?

[Comrade Donald]

Sort of big picture analogy.

[Goodheart]

1. Sure would make a great book, wouldn't it?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

2. That makes no sense.

You have to assume he knew that the late reopening of the email investigation would cause her to lose the election. And that Trump would fuck things up so royally within the first few months that . . . . what? For all the calls of Trump to be impeached or resign, those are only calls. No movement at all within the levels of government where that could take place.

Oh, and that having a President Trump who leaves office early, with Pence becoming the new President, is somehow better than a President Clinton.

No one can be that prescient about what could happen.

[Jno_Gilmor_]

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[jg10003]

19. I agree

[noel1237]

49. I agree...don't follow this logic.

[LisaL]

27. What was he trying to do when he shared with us his opinion despite admitting there wasn't evidence

for any charges?

[Solomon]

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[marlakay]

67. I agree he thought she would win

And he didn't want to give republicans reason to impeach.

[Comrade Donald]

78. Interesting take on this. n/t

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

87. That makes more sense.

Far more sense than some convoluted plan to take down Trump.

However, I seem to recall reading back when the business of her emails was brought up again right before the election, that Comey supposedly was very opposed to Hillary winning. Not sure if that was pure speculation or there was some good reason to think that.

[aikoaiko]

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[Comrade Donald]

13. This investigation started in July.

So much corruption and collusion that it would be better to catch as many fish as possible.

Save for Hillary's dream of becoming president, it was more desirable to save the country first.

If Hillary had won (and she did, but that's another story), we would be knee deep in Trey Goudy and Chaffetz impeachment hearings.

Ironic, ain't it?

[Squinch]

3. No. He sacrificed Hillary because he held her to a different standard because he's a Republican.

The fact that she is a woman didn't help her in this case either.

[Jacquette]

15. I don't believe that.

Not with what he knew about Trump then. There's really one other reason he would have deliberately kneecapped Hillary--& make no mistake 6 wks before the election was deliberate--& that's if a President Clinton presidency was somehow worse.

What really doesn't make sense is the fact that Trump didn't need to get elected to take him down. I will never believe Trump wasn't on any law enforcement radar prior to last summer. His trips to Russia, his coziness with Russian gangsters and oligarchs, the fact that he went broke so often and no American or European banks would lend to him since the late 90s...all of these are red flags to the Fbi.

[Squinch]

16. Yeah. Right. A Clinton presidency was EVER going to even approach the universe of badness of this

one. Sure it was.



This is a guy who is such a megalomaniac that he thought it was appropriate for him to decide who should be president and then he made that happen. And he chose Trump. So he's also an idiot.

[Jacquette]

22. Do you ever logically look at the "Why" of it all?

"He's an idiot" doesn't cut it.

Commen sense should tell you If Comey was a Gop stool Trump-Russia would have stalled and we wouldn't even know there had BEEN much of an investigation. He would have killed it.

WHY would he....KNOWING what he already had on Trump, suddenly become Dudley Do Right when it comes to some pissy emails? And then turn around and almost immediately stick it to Trump (a fellow republican as you point out) by methodically, slowly turning the screws and taking out his men one by one?

WHY? Why did Comey do that. He's stupid or he's a Republican....no. That won't cut it. This rabbit hole goes much deeper.

[Squinch]

46. Oh, but I thought you already gave us your answer. You said it was because Hillary

would have been a much worse President, didn't you? Worse than Trump, isn't that what you said?

And no. Common sense should tell you that there was no way Comey could have hidden the Trump-Russia connection after the papers got a hold of it. And as for your theory that the investigation would have stalled, did you not notice that the investigation has been stalled? It's been nearly a year and we have no results from Comey and the FBI. He didn't even ask for sufficient resources to conduct the investigations until weeks ago when the press was so saturated with the story that he knew he had to produce something or everyone would know he's been sitting on this thumbs.

He hasn't slowly and methodically turned any screws. He hasn't taken out any men. The press outed Flynn and they did it in a way that Comey couldn't get away from.

So yes. He's stupid and he's a Republican and he did nothing until it was absolutely necessary to cover his ass.

[Jacquette]

84. Listen to what you just said.

Till the papers got the word on Flynn. And when did the big guns come out? After confirmation. Trump & Idiots Inc CERTAINLY didn't leak the fact that they'd been warned Flynn was compromised that was all Fbi, all Comey.

He waited. Till he had them lying cold. Then lying to cover the lies. " well uh...we told you this on xyz date and we sent you a letter on..". THEN the big Flynn leaks started Trump was forced to fire him after 3 wks. It's silly to suggest they just started investigating DT, that this was rushed.

And are you forgetting the FISA warrant for "Candidate Trump"? Comey knew.

And do you consider that he couldn't risk asking for more resources until he was ready to make his move? That it would signal to DT that the investigation was heating up? And what happenrd when he did ask? He was out in days.

And he certainly did take out most of his henchmen. Manafort. Gone. Carter Page. Gone. Roger Stone. Gone. Flynn. Gone.

[Squinch]

85. None of those people were ousted by the FBI. All of them were taken out by the press.

And yes. When the press got word on Flynn after the confirmation Flynn he was out. That information did NOT come from the FBI, it came from leaks about the Yates warnings about Flynn. Later, however, we were told that the FBI has had goods on Trump since last spring.

And when you say he was ready to make his move, how could he make his move if he didn't have enough resources to investigate thoroughly enough to make a move?

[Jacquette]

88. I can't make you see what you don't see

You say..."when the press got word"...
Where did said word come from?
Salky Yates. Atty General.

Does Sally Yates personally gather evidence and then prosecute? No. But there is a law enforcement branch which reports to her.

Comey as the head of the Fbi briefs the Attorney General, Squinch. She was the head of the DOJ and Comey reported to her. She was his boss. If you didn't understand that Idk what else to tell you.

[Squinch]

107. Comey did not take down any of the people you list. You seem to want to attribute heroic acts to

him which are not his doing.

There is no reason to attribute Flynn's ousting to Comey. It was Sally Yates and the leaked information about her meetings. There is no way to know how long Comey would have sat on the information he had about Flynn if the leaks had not occurred. You yourself cite the FISA warrant. That was, when? Last spring? Summer? So it's not like he was in any hurry to bring out the information he was sitting on, and there's no reason to suspect that the leaks came from him.

Paul Manafort was not "taken out" by Comey. He quit and walked away with his bribe which is being only now revealed.

Roger Stone was not "taken out" by Comey. He quit. He's still walking around without any repercussions for his involvement with Trump.

Carter Page is being watched by the FBI, but nothing has happened to him that could be described as his being "taken out" by Comey.

[Jacquette]

108. "Taken out" as in no longer

able to work for DT because of scandal and pending criminal charges is what I meant.

You want to separate Yates/Comey as if they were on opposite ends of the world. If you don't believe me, google the organizational chart for the DOJ. You will see that as AG, COMEY REPORTED TO YATES. Whatever facts she presented, whatever info she has? It didn't just fall from the sky and pop into her pretty little head. It was supplied to her by the FBI directer.

You cannot get around this fact to bolster your argument.

[Squinch]

109. "Taken out" as in walked away whistling, no worse for wear. And yes, I'll separate Comey and Yates.

Comey had the information. He did nothing with it. He did nothing to bring this about. The press leaking the conversation Yates had with the administration is what brought this to public attention and what brought down Flynn. And you can insist that, simply by breathing, Comey has saved the world. It seems you will continue to. But in the end, he didn't "take down" anyone. He's a drama monger. His only actions to date have been ones that bulldoze Hillary and ones that cover his ass.

[StevieM]

43. Well said!! (eom)

[Nevernose]

52. He has a well documented pathological hatred of the Clintons

Going back decades. He was the Whitewater investigator. He's one of the people who STARTED the anti-Clinton conspiracies!

[LisaL]

57. Obama should have never appointed him if you ask me.

[Nevernose]

62. Probably the only guy who could get through Republicans

And still be somewhat honest. Clinton was Comey's weak spot.

Ironic since Hillary and Obama spent eight years prepping the field. There's a special place in Hell for many of these conservatives.

[LisaL]

29. I think he was trying to save his own behind.

He promised congress he'd notify them if there was any new info.
He should have never promised that.

[sweetloukillbot]

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[pangaia]

59. I do not agree with either reason.

[Squinch]

60. OK.

[Lisa0825]

4. I've thought about that. I have also wondered if Hillary was in the loop too. nt

[Comrade Donald]

18. Huh? Really? Care to elaborate on the loop? n/t

[Lisa0825]

20. I didn't put a lot of thought into it...

It just crossed my mind once... what if somehow she knew what was going on with Russian interference, Trump's Russian connections, etc, but in order for it to all be brought out, she had to go along with whatever the results were, and for the good of the country, she did (whereas Trump doesn't even know what "the good of the country" means).

[Comrade Donald]

23. Watching Rachel you'd think the whole GOP were

Russian assets. Oh...wait.

[LisaL]

26. Oh for crying out loud. There isn't enough tinfoil in the world.

Are you seriously suggesting Hillary was o'key with Trump becoming president for the good of the country? You do realize that even if Trump is impeached, Pence becomes president?
How is that going to be good for the country?

[Lisa0825]

33. Like I said, it was just a thought that crossed my mind.

I was wondering how she was showing so much grace and strength through it all, and my mind started wandering to what-ifs.

If the only way to bring down The GOPutins was to keep quiet until the investigation was finished....?

I am not a tinfoil hatter. It was just a musing.

[LisaL]

35. Would be much easier to bring someone down if that someone wasn't president.

So, no, that theory makes no sense.

[Comrade Donald]

39. Pence is in much deeper than you think. He knew

About Flynn and his Russia connections. It's going to be brutal when it's all said and done.

[LisaL]

54. It doesn't matter what Pence know or didn't.

He is next in line if Trump is impeached.

[Comrade Donald]

68. It's not what he did or didnt KNOW, it''s what he DID.

The whole GOP leadership is going down. They accepted laundered Russian money for the campaign. Senator Hatch is the safest bet.

[Phoenix61]

5. I believe he took the actions he did re: Hillary

because of the investigation on Twitler. You know they had to have been watching him for years. Between the casinos, real estate, and the pageant. His Russian mob connections were blatant.

[LisaL]

25. So WTF didn't he release the info on investigation into Trump?

Jeez.

[Phoenix61]

42. Hillary knew she had been under investigation

Twitler had no idea. A couple of points.
Steele gave the dossier to a friend in the NY FBI office and they sat on it. Think about that for a minute. Guilliano, who had close ties to that office, seemed to know about the e-mails on Weiner's computer before he should have. Comey had concerns that info would be leaked ahead of him saying anything. If he had done nothing, he would have lost all credibility in the Russia investigation. I think he was in a no win situation. If Hillary had won, would we really care about the letter he wrote to congress? And one last point, I believe he marked that letter classified and Chaffetz took it upon himself to remove that classification.

[LisaL]

53. Trump had no idea? Says who?

[RedWedge]

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[JI7]

8. no. he fucked up with the email thing

He have in to pressure from right wing types and i think he convinced himself she will win anyways .

I don't think was trying to influence the election but that is what hurt her in the end.

[LisaM]

31. But how could he not realize that?

When they released their bogus report in July, it immediately hurt her in the polls.

[LisaL]

55. Who says he didn't realize that?

[trof]

9. Dood?

Siriesly.

[Mr. Ected]

10. Comey's behavior was tied somehow to the rogue NY FBI field office

Something about his wanting to get the "news" to Congress before his own people leaked it to the press.

I don't know, I don't understand how this espionage thing works. But Comey seems to have taken measures that both helped and hurt the GOP. Maybe one day we'll find out.

[Comrade Donald]

30. I have to give someone the benefit of the doubt.

I also think that this thing is so big, so vast, that we know now is small potatoes to what it will turn out to be. It's sad. And I don't mean that in a Trumpian way.

[KPN]

101. I agree. We are only seeing the stuff on the surface. That's hard to imagine ...

but it's what I and one of the wisest, most perceptive persons I know thinks.

[Phoenix61]

58. Exactly!

That's the office Steele gave the dossier to and they sat on it. That's why he gave it to what's his name.

[enough]

11. No. NT

[DefenseLawyer]

12. I think Comey was sure she would win

And he was afraid that the right would demand his job for withholding information. He was looking to save his own job by looking "independent" from Clinton.

[LisaL]

32. If that was his motive, then it's very ironic that the very thing he did trying to save his job

(helping to elect Trump) ended up costing him his job (Trump fired him).

[DefenseLawyer]

40. I don't think he was trying to elect trump to save his job

I think he assumed to outcome of the election wasn't in doubt and he didn't think his last minute revelation would change the outcome. He thought she would win, and if he hadn't revealed what was really nonsense, Republicans would hound him for being too beholden to the President.

[LisaL]

63. Whatever his motivation was, the letter released so close to the election helped to elect Trump.

[DefenseLawyer]

64. Yes it did.

I thought the question posed here was whether this was some master plan by Comey to elect Trump so he could vanquish him. I don't think that was the case.

[LisaL]

65. Well, I sure as hell don't think Comey had a master plan to elect Trump so he could vanquish him.

For one, it's a lot easier to bring someone down if that someone isn't president. So it makes no sense whatsoever for Comey to want for Trump to be elected so Comey could bring him down.

[DefenseLawyer]

69. Why are you arguing with me?

I agree with you.

[LisaL]

73. I am agreeing also, not arguing.

[Comrade Donald]

74. No. So he could CATCH Trump, not ELECT him. n/t

[LisaL]

75. And what does Hillary had to to with it?

Why did he need to sacrifice Hillary in order to "catch" Trump?

[Comrade Donald]

91. Well, this might sound weird but Comey put taking

Down traitors first - higher priority than the election itself.

It's like worrying about the paint job on your car when you are missing all four tires.

We were attacked, This is war.

[Samantha]

103. Comey didn't release the letter, Chaffetz did

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/29/1588520/-BREAKING-Senior-Congressional-Aide-Says-Chaffetz-Tweeted-Comey-Letter-Before-Democrats-Even-Saw-It

I have read this several times, but for some reason it doesn't make it into the mainstream.

Sam

[L. Coyote]

14. No. Don't be silly. Chaffetz released the letter, not Comey.

Chaffetz released a classified letter Comey had written and Comey was constrained by an active investigation with regard to how he could act without revealing the investigation was ibn progress. He could not say Chaffetz was under investigation for leaking the letter, and he still can't reveal that.

[Comrade Donald]

21. Wow. And now Chaffetz is trying to look like a

Boy scout. Seriously, Chaffetz is stepping up to the plate with letters to the Whitehouse for material.

But, he's still a rat.

[delisen]

17. He acted unethically re Clinton by announcing his refusal to bring charges

and making public his reason and then going into details

He seems to have acted ethically toward Trump during the election cycle

[LisaL]

24. How exactly did he get Trump?

He is the one who ended up fired.

[Comrade Donald]

36. Comey is very much alive and kicking. Witness the

Latest memo. Trump is done. Dead man walking or twittering in this case.

[LisaL]

37. I have heard that song before.

[still_one]

28. no way, and Comey is no f**king hero.

[Ohioblue22]

38. he could have said nothing, let hill win and trump would have gone away

[Comrade Donald]

45. But we, as a nation, are better off because now

we know about the extent of Putin's influence on this country. Trump will finally go down after decades of malfeasance. GOP too.

[LisaL]

51. Oh dear lord.

[Ohioblue22]

89. Not before putting 1 maybe 2 or 3 supreme court justices

On the bench . A conservative scotus for the rest of our lives. Comey should have kept his trap shut. You think this will damage the cons? George Bush was only 2 potui ago . Remember when we thought how badly George Bush was for the cons? Well they're right back in charge .

You think we somehow won for losing ?

[Comrade Donald]

105. Think in terms of the long game

Russia and conservative alt-right Republicans have been about subsuming this country for decades.

Think about the destruction of the unions, the assault on voting rights, and gerrymandered districts. It was planned out after the New Deal in the 1930's.

Paul Ryan is the generational pall bearer to finally destroy that progressive ideal.

Rethuglicans are at the precipice to complete their plan with Trump's election. The only thing saving us now is the incompetence of Trump and the GOP.

Our last line of defense is our intelligence agencies and our institutions of law.

If the NSA and CIA hadn't "spied" on Gen. Flynn,
he would still be there carving out our democracy from the inside out.

[sarisataka]

41. .

[StevieM]

44. Welcome to DU!! Comey doesn't care if Trump gets taken down because either way he got

what he wanted.

The GOP reclaimed the White House. Hillary was humiliated. And Gorsuch replaced Scalia.

Mission Accomplished.

[Comrade Donald]

47. Naw. Still in the first quarter on this one. n/t

[StevieM]

50. As I said, it doesn't matter what happens from here on out. Gorsuch is on the court.

Kennedy's replacement will likely be picked by Trump or Pence.

And the GOP gets to demean and degrade HRC under the mantra that history is written by the winners for decades to come.

Comey delivered.

[Princess Turandot]

48. No. Trump became potentially useful to a foreign enemy *because* he became president...

Allowing someone to be put in that position in an attempt to catch them on something less serious, even if very bad on its own (i.e. election meddling) just isn't worth the risk to the nation, if one claims they're trying to protect it.

And Trump's alleged pre-politics crimes largely involved money laundering for very wealthy Russians and Russian criminals. That's illegal and very bad, of course, but real estate in NYC in recent years, especially new high end condo buildings or redevelopments, has attracted an enormous number of foreign buyers. Brokers and real estate analysts estimate that as much as 40% of these new properties have gone to foreigners, including a lot of Russians and Chinese, where the buyer's identity is known. (Much of the time, the property is bought by a shell corporations.) If Trump was involved in money laundering on real estate transactions, in other words, he likely wasn't the only game in town.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

56. not enough tin foil

more tin foil

[Warren DeMontague]

61. I believe he was expressly concerned about his "credibility" when he made the Oct. Announcement

And I do think it is quite possible that the reason why is, he had a much bigger fish on the line and knew it.

But that may not be a terribly popular opinion to express.

[forjusticethunders]

110. It's also important to remember that:

1: Hillary was up big (about 5-10), and it was reasonable to assume she would win even if she lost 3-5 points in the polls. (which is just about what she lost).

2: If the rogue agents at the NY FBI leak it first, Hillary may well be hurt EVEN MORE because it plays into the whole "globalist deep state conspiracy" shit, and huts HIS credibility on Trump-Russia which is important because even if Trump loses, the fact remains that a fascist authoritarian state tried to take over the country using a Manchurian Candidate, literally the worst Cold War fantasies come to life except the adversary is extreme right, not Stalinist, aka an existential, DEFCON 0 threat to a democratic nation.

Basically Comey was trying to do damage control on the issue because he, with a lot of justification, likely reasoned that doing nothing, or announcing Trump was under investigation before there was more hard evidence would be even worse, both for Hillary, the Trump-Russia investigation and his own credibility. Comey also couldn't have predicted that the media would continue to shill for Trump all the way until the end (that's one major issue with institutionalism - you don't notice the institutions have been rotted until its too late, and the mainstream media is an institution at some point they SHOULD have come to their senses and started sounding the alarm, but they needed those ratings).

Honestly if Comey hated the Clintons and wanted to help Trump, he could have recommended indictment in July.

[Voltaire2]

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[Stinky The Clown]

70. Can I take shelter under this bridge?

[emulatorloo]

81. Lol

[La Lioness Priyanka]

71. No. What Comey did to HRC was immoral and unforgivable

What trump did to Comey was unethical and maybe obstruction of justice

Comey did not expect trump to win or him to lose his job.

[StevieM]

99. Agreed. He screwed her over and over again. (eom)

[Catherine Vincent]

72. Believe it ir not, I was thinking this theory

But blew it off because I don't trust republican Comey.

[emulatorloo]

76. Nope, Comey thought HRC was gonna win, so did Obama

For that matter so did we.

[LisaL]

77. Being overconfident was a big mistake.

[emulatorloo]

79. I don't think DU'ers were overconfident, I knocked doors until Election Day.

I know lots of DU'ers did the same.

[LisaL]

80. I thought they were. People were posting how election was in the bag before the election day.

[LeftInTX]

98. I saw alot of that...

[panader0]

82. That idea went through my mind too.

Comey's been no friend to the Clintons. But I believe the FBI investigation
into the Trump/Russia ties has been on going for a few years. The implications
are staggering.

[Luciferous]

86. No

[MyNameIsKhan]

90. Did you smoke some weed today? sorry

[Comrade Donald]

92. No, I'm out.

[MyNameIsKhan]

93. Welcome to DU...

[Comrade Donald]

94. Thank you! n/t

[triron]

96. Without the Russian subterfuge of the election Hillary would have won.

Comey could not know the full force of the FSB and hirelings.

[StevieM]

100. Comey sacrificed Hillary--and the basic principles of democracy--to get Neil Gorsuch on the court.

eom

[wasupaloopa]

102. I was thinking the same thing tonight

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

104. Take it back a ways

Anthony Weiner Under Federal, NYPD Investigation After Allegedly Sexting With Minor

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anthony-weiner-investigation_us_57e44419e4b0e28b2b530af9

Minor
The former congressman allegedly exchanged sexual text messages with a 15-year-old girl.

By Mollie Reilly
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Disgraced former congressman Anthony Weiner is under federal and local investigation for allegedly engaging in a sexual relationship with an underage girl, CNN, ABC and CBS reported.
A law enforcement source confirmed the reports to The Huffington Post Thursday.
According to CNN, the office of U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara has subpoenaed the New York Democrat’s phone records. The FBI and New York Police Department are also reportedly investigating the charges. 
A spokesman for the NYPD confirmed that Weiner was being investigated, but did not comment on the charges. The U.S. Attorney’s office declined to comment.
The news of the investigations came one day after the Daily Mail published a story accusing Weiner of exchanging explicitly sexual texts messages with a 15-year-old girl. Weiner has acknowledged texting with the girl but claimed on Wednesday that he was “the subject of a hoax.”
Weiner resigned from Congress in 2011 after he was caught sending sexually explicit photos to women on social media. He then attempted to revive his political career by running for mayor of New York City in 2013. In the midst of his campaign, it was revealed the former congressman took part in another sexting scandal the previous year. Weiner lost the Democratic primary to Bill de Blasio, who was ultimately elected that November.
In August, the New York Post reported that Weiner had again sent explicit messages to a woman, including an image where he posed next to his 4-year-old son.
It appeared to the be the last straw for Weiner’s wife of six years, Huma Abedin, a longtime Hillary Clinton aide. Abedin announced her separation from Weiner just hours after the Post’s story published.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3801083/NYPD-Special-Victims-Unit-launches-investigation-Anthony-Weiner-DailyMail-com-reveals-line-sexting-relationship-15-year-old-girl.html

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Anthony Weiner after DailyMail.com reveals he had an on-line sexting relationship with 15-year-old girl
The  high school girl, whose name is being withheld by DailyMail.com because she is a minor, reveals the online relationship began last January
The girl says she told him she was 15 and a sophomore in high school; messages confirm he knew she was underage 
In one message Weiner tells the girl 'I would bust that tight p***y' 
She claims Weiner asked her to undress and encouraged her to touch herself and say his name over video chat 
Weiner would not get fully nude, but usually shirtless and wearing boxers
Weiner did not deny exchanging 'flirtatious' messages with the teen.  He declined to comment on the specifics 


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And the NYPD

[LeftInTX]

106. No, he's FBI...not CIA

I'm just joking about the CIA cuz they do things so "mysteriously" whereas the FBI are known to be "straight shooters".