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Am I the only one who is starting to think Trump WANTS to fail? (Original Post) Blue_Tires May 2017 OP
This hypothesis has been advanced many times on DU TexasProgresive May 2017 #1
No, he's just behaving the way he always has greymattermom May 2017 #2
BINGO GaYellowDawg May 2017 #16
I didn't think he was deliberating trying to fail but rather . . . ATL Ebony May 2017 #19
He campaigned the same way jberryhill May 2017 #3
I think all Trump thinks is that he is. Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #4
He has been doing it all his life BumRushDaShow May 2017 #5
Thanks, I hadn't seen that before... Blue_Tires May 2017 #14
I've read bits and pieces of the stories from exposes in other sources (e.g., NYT & NY Daily News) BumRushDaShow May 2017 #15
After reading that article Blue_Roses May 2017 #18
Message deleted by DU the Administrators RedWedge May 2017 #6
I don't think he wants to fail. jrthin May 2017 #7
Yes, he wants to weaken the government enough to take over as demagogue. cheyanne May 2017 #8
You still don't understand this: HE ACTUALLY AND SIMPLY DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT FAILING. DetlefK May 2017 #9
Either that, or the opposite: Wants to takes us all out with him in a *BLAZE* (push a button). UTUSN May 2017 #10
Narcissists don't want to fail. athena May 2017 #11
Bullies will push and push until they get punched in the face dalton99a May 2017 #12
He's not failing, he is highly successfully HipChick May 2017 #13
Remember, the party at the WH for the 10 yards touchdown for the health bill 2 weeks ago? imanamerican63 May 2017 #17

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
1. This hypothesis has been advanced many times on DU
Wed May 17, 2017, 09:35 AM
May 2017

from the time he first announced his candidacy until recently. Maybe he wants to prove he's too bigly to fail.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
2. No, he's just behaving the way he always has
Wed May 17, 2017, 09:36 AM
May 2017

and now he's in government, where proper behavior is part of the job. He's never had to behave properly or even to know what that means before.

GaYellowDawg

(4,446 posts)
16. BINGO
Wed May 17, 2017, 10:23 AM
May 2017

It really is that simple.

On edit: And why would he change his behavior? He's basically been rewarded for it his entire life.

ATL Ebony

(1,097 posts)
19. I didn't think he was deliberating trying to fail but rather . . .
Wed May 17, 2017, 10:58 AM
May 2017

testing boundaries to see how far he could push the limits of our constitution and democracy -- which he seems to despise and hell bent on destroying.

BumRushDaShow

(128,699 posts)
15. I've read bits and pieces of the stories from exposes in other sources (e.g., NYT & NY Daily News)
Wed May 17, 2017, 10:23 AM
May 2017

but this one seemed to put it all in one place!

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
18. After reading that article
Wed May 17, 2017, 10:34 AM
May 2017

in the Washington Post, I can see how Trump was destined to become the person he is now: arrogant, cocky, bully, but also determine and defiant.

It's really sad, that as a child he was treated with such disdain from his father. While his father probably thought he was doing what he thought was best, it now looks like he just didn't want to take the time to be bothered with dealing with a "rambunctious" kid. This explains his constant need for approval and to be liked.

Also sad is the fact that DT had some real talent, that given the proper nurturing could have told a different story for his life today. Instead, he will be known as the thin-skinned, arrogant, narcissistic, "man-child" who cannot tell the truth.



jrthin

(4,835 posts)
7. I don't think he wants to fail.
Wed May 17, 2017, 09:51 AM
May 2017

I think he has been a failure all his life, but his wealth hid his incompetence. He is a failure, he can't help but fail.

cheyanne

(733 posts)
8. Yes, he wants to weaken the government enough to take over as demagogue.
Wed May 17, 2017, 09:54 AM
May 2017

Example: with Putin's help, a photo-op and leaking of top secret intelligence, most importantly information is from an ally of us, Trump has begun to isolate US from allies. He has already made the State Department impotent and reduced our presence in other countries.

He attacks all centers of power: media, judiciary, intelligence community, Congress, and even the executive branch are unable to work. Once they are subdued he will use legitimate means to take over the government: see rise of Hitler.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
9. You still don't understand this: HE ACTUALLY AND SIMPLY DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT FAILING.
Wed May 17, 2017, 09:55 AM
May 2017

How does Trump do business?

Step 1: Create a reputation of riches and success by using public relations and media.

Step 2: Wait until the investors come to you.

Step 3: Invest.

Step 4a: If the investment is successful, okay.
Step 4b: If the investment is unsuccessful, extract your money and leave the rest to collapse, ruin and bankruptcy. As long as you got your's, it's fine.

Step 5a: If the investment was successful, boast about it.
Step 5b: If the investment was unsuccessful, ignore it, forget it, never talk about it again. It doesn't count.

Step 6: Wait for new suckers.




Donald Trump does not give a single flying fuck about failing his office or failing the US or failing his voters or anything. In case of failure, he simply walks away and he thinks he can do just that if he runs the US into the ground.

UTUSN

(70,671 posts)
10. Either that, or the opposite: Wants to takes us all out with him in a *BLAZE* (push a button).
Wed May 17, 2017, 10:00 AM
May 2017

The last several days, heading to a breaking point, it has likely occurred to him that the way to "save" himself is with a war, as in "Why have nuclear if we don't *use* them?!1"

athena

(4,187 posts)
11. Narcissists don't want to fail.
Wed May 17, 2017, 10:02 AM
May 2017

In fact, they can't even imagine failing. They imagine themselves to be winning no matter how bad things get.

Everyone needs to stop thinking that a rational adult inhabits Trump's body. He's a narcissist. Here is what that means:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2017/02/i-am-special-and-i-am-worthless-inside-mind-narcissist

People with NPD (which is estimated to affect about 1 per cent of the population) have a characteristic set of personality traits. First, they have a deeply held sense of specialness and entitlement. Male NPD sufferers frequently present as highly egotistical, with an unshakeable sense of their superiority and importance; female sufferers commonly present as eternal victims on whom the world repeatedly inflicts terrible injustices. In both cases, the affected person believes he or she is deserving of privileged treatment, and expects it as a right from those around them.

Second, NPD sufferers have little or no capacity for empathy, and usually relate to other people as objects (as opposed to thinking, feeling beings) whose sole function is to meet the narcissist’s need for special treatment and admiration – known as “supply”. In order to recruit supply, NPD sufferers become highly skilled at manipulating people’s perceptions of them, acting out what is called a “false self” – the glittering high achiever, the indefatigable do-gooder, the pitiable victim.

The third characteristic is termed “splitting”, where the world is experienced in terms of two rigid categories – either Good or Bad – with no areas of grey. As long as others are meeting the narcissist’s need for supply, they are Good, and they find themselves idealised and showered with reciprocal positive affirmation – a process called “love-bombing”. However, if someone criticises or questions the narcissist’s false self, that person becomes Bad, and is subjected to implacable hostility.

(snip)

One of the many tragic aspects of NPD is the invariable lack of insight. A narcissist’s experience of the world is essentially: “I am special; some people love me for this, and are Good; some people hate me for it, and are Bad.” If people with NPD do present to health services, it is usually because of the negative impacts Bad people are having on their life, rather than because they are able to recognise that they have a psychological health problem.


Emphasis mine.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
13. He's not failing, he is highly successfully
Wed May 17, 2017, 10:03 AM
May 2017

completing everything Putin wants him to do...destabilize America

imanamerican63

(13,762 posts)
17. Remember, the party at the WH for the 10 yards touchdown for the health bill 2 weeks ago?
Wed May 17, 2017, 10:32 AM
May 2017

Which seems like ages ago, he said "can you believe that I am the president?". NOOOOO, we are still wonder how you conned so many people, but now you orange haired over stuffed buffoon, your gig is up!

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