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rpannier

(24,328 posts)
Thu May 18, 2017, 07:31 AM May 2017

Suppose you heard...

Suppose you heard for a very long period of time... longer than a decade that there were powerful forces aligned against you
Suppose this claim was supported by people close to and within the inner circle where dwell those powerful forces
Suppose people around you, both influential and ordinary, that you trust echoed the same words and ideas
Suppose there were places you could go that also echoed those thoughts and ideas, written and spoken by people either with eloquence or with an emotional fervor that spoke to your worries and concerns
And suppose you could see some of what they had spoken of seem to come to pass
And suppose these events seem to harm (or at the very least hinder) you and those close to you

How would you feel?

Now suppose, along comes someone who echoes those very feelings
Who doesn't (seem to) come from the inner circle where those forces dwell
Suppose that person promises to undo and turn those powerful forces on their collective heads
Suppose that person promises to work for you

What would you do when the powerful forces seem to close in on and seem prepared to destroy that person. Would you believe the stories coming from the denizens of the inner circle? Would you doubt the hero who promised to deliver from the people of that inner circle who seem to be running ad naseum stories decrying the person you fell in line behind or would you turn deeper to those places where the 'real truth tellers' are, the people who echo your worries and concerns?

For those people out there who think the events you're reading are having a swaying effect on about 80% of the people who voted Trump, forget it.
If you go to the Drudge Report, listen to people like Laura, etc you will find that they are pushing the idea that the inner circle of government and national media are working overtime to discredit and destroy 'their president'. Comey is a disgruntled employee who was fired because he was terrible at his job. The leaks are from entrenched bureaucrats who are afraid of losing their cushy jobs because their president is working to clean up Washington DC. It's people loyal to Obama and the inner circle that are leaking this information to try and prevent their president from making their lives better.

For over two decades there are people that have profited politically and financially from denigrating the various institutions in this country. Surf around the internet and you'll find them; they're of all colors, stripes and shapes.
Drudge, and other like him, have a financial stake in demeaning the press because he profits when people give up on national press and turn to him; as does Michael Weiner (Savage), the failed movie critic Medved, the religious right political commentators like Fischer and so on.
You're not going to convince most supporters, not because they're necessarily stupid, but because the narrative has be come so entrenched that it is easier and more logical to follow the alternative (Rand Corporation, Trilateral Commission, the evil Inner Circle, Reverse Vampires, etc) than to accept that maybe the guy just sucks

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Suppose you heard... (Original Post) rpannier May 2017 OP
It's not about reaching his base, they'll never turn on him or the GOP justiceischeap May 2017 #1
Ugh..... Zoonart May 2017 #5
Spot on. trump's supporters buy into it 100% brush May 2017 #2
You're right. And they're all dupes. yardwork May 2017 #3
There's a vast difference between the court of public opinion and a court of law Mr. Ected May 2017 #4

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
1. It's not about reaching his base, they'll never turn on him or the GOP
Thu May 18, 2017, 07:34 AM
May 2017

it's about reaching Independents who wanted to "shake things up" in DC.

And it's working. They're starting to realize what a colossal mistake they've made.

Zoonart

(11,832 posts)
5. Ugh.....
Thu May 18, 2017, 07:43 AM
May 2017

A relative is one of these let's just flip the table because it all deserves to burn types. He is typical in that he has no skin in the game. He has a secure job, his wife has a pension coming and she also has inherited money. Need I say more? He is simply driven by his own sense of self righteousness and biggotry. An anarchist who feels totally insulated from anarchy.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
3. You're right. And they're all dupes.
Thu May 18, 2017, 07:38 AM
May 2017

Huge swathes of the country have been brainwashed into supporting an agenda designed to take their money and give it to the richest people in the world.

It's brought this country to its knees. Our only hope is for enough people to wake up.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
4. There's a vast difference between the court of public opinion and a court of law
Thu May 18, 2017, 07:42 AM
May 2017

There is no such thing as fake news or alt news in a legal tribunal. Facts are facts, evidence is evidence. Unassailable.

Then again, there will be Mueller character assassination plots and attempts to discredit the investigation. But evidentiary facts are facts. A FOX talking head can't change the outcome of litigation.

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