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geek tragedy

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Thu May 18, 2017, 04:20 PM May 2017

Sam Harris is a bona fide white supremacist. He's an awful human being.


In an episode that runs nearly two and a half hours, Harris, who is best known as the author of The End of Faith, presents Murray as a victim of “a politically correct moral panic” — and goes so far as to say that Murray has no intellectually honest academic critics. Murray’s work on The Bell Curve, Harris insists, merely summarizes the consensus of experts on the subject of intelligence.

The consensus, he says, is that IQ exists; that it is extraordinarily important to life outcomes of all sorts; that it is largely heritable; and that we don’t know of any interventions that can improve the part that is not heritable. The consensus also includes the observation that the IQs of black Americans are lower, on average, than that of whites, and — most contentiously — that this and other differences among racial groups is based at least in part in genetics.



Harris is not a neutral presence in the interview. “For better or worse, these are all facts,” he tells his listeners. “In fact, there is almost nothing in psychological science for which there is more evidence than for these claims.” Harris belies his self-presentation as a tough-minded skeptic by failing to ask Murray a single challenging question. Instead, during their lengthy conversation, he passively follows Murray to the dangerous and unwarranted conclusion that black and Hispanic people in the US are almost certainly genetically disposed to have lower IQ scores on average than whites or Asians — and that the IQ difference also explains differences in life outcomes between different ethnic and racial groups.



In Harris’s view, all of this is simply beyond dispute. Murray’s claims about race and intelligence, however, do not stand up to serious critical or empirical examination. But the main point of this brief piece is not merely to rebut Murray’s conclusions per se — although we will do some of that — but rather to consider the faulty path by which he casually proceeds from a few basic premises to the inflammatory conclusion that IQ differences between groups are likely to be at least partly based on inborn genetic differences. These conclusions, Harris and Murray insist, are disputed only by head-in-the-sand elitists afraid of the policy implications.


https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/18/15655638/charles-murray-race-iq-sam-harris-science-free-speech

Never understood this guy's appeal, the fact that he's a vehement atheist doesn't compensate for his other bigotries.

NB: Charles Murray is a long-discredited white supremacist quack.
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Sam Harris is a bona fide white supremacist. He's an awful human being. (Original Post) geek tragedy May 2017 OP
Glad this is getting more exposure... welivetotreadonkings May 2017 #1
some people think that being an atheist is carte blanche nt geek tragedy May 2017 #2
Have you read Murray's twitter? MountCleaners May 2017 #3
don't read white supremacist twitter, even to hate read it nt geek tragedy May 2017 #4
Missed this. Thanks for posting. octoberlib May 2017 #5
1. Glad this is getting more exposure...
Thu May 18, 2017, 04:27 PM
May 2017

This guy was always a racist and an islamaphobe, now it's just getting more and more obvious. Can't believe there are liberals out there who buy into his garbage. But I guess I'm part of the "regressive left" lol.

MountCleaners

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3. Have you read Murray's twitter?
Thu May 18, 2017, 04:58 PM
May 2017

I hate-read it. He has a giant "poor me" victim complex. Thinks he's being persecuted.

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