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rug

(82,333 posts)
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:23 PM May 2017

Who Pays the Moral Price of War?

Our desire for never-ending intervention overseas causes never-ending pain for our troops.



US Marine Corps soldiers pay their respects in the Helmand Province of Afghanistan in 2009. (AP Photo / Julie Jacobson)

By Peter Van Buren
TODAY 12:05 PM

“My guilt will never go away,” former Marine Matthew Hoh explained to me. “There is a significant portion of me that doesn’t believe it should be allowed to go away, that this pain is fair.”

If America accepts the idea of fighting endless wars, it will have to accept something else as well: that the costs of war are similarly endless. I’m thinking about the trillions of dollars, the million or more “enemy” dead (a striking percentage of them civilians), the tens of thousands of American combat casualties, those 20 veteran suicides each day, and the diminished lives of those who survive all of that. There’s that pain, carried by an unknown number of women and men, that won’t disappear, ever, and that goes by the label “moral injury.”

THE LASTING PAIN OF WAR

When I started Hooper’s War, a novel about the end of World War II in the Pacific, I had in mind just that pain. I was thinking—couldn’t stop thinking, in fact—about what really happens to people in war, combatants and civilians alike. The need to tell that story grew in large part out of my own experiences in Iraq, where I spent a year embedded with a combat unit as a US State Department employee, and where I witnessed, among so many other horrors, two soldier suicides.

The new book began one day when Facebook retrieved photos of Iraqi children I had posted years ago, with a cheery “See Your Memories” caption on them. Oh yes, I remembered. Then, on the news, I began seeing places in Iraq familiar to me, but this time being overrun by Islamic State militants or later being re-retaken with the help of another generation of young Americans. And I kept running into people who’d been involved in my war and were all too ready to share too many drinks and tell me too much about what I was already up all too many nights thinking about.

https://www.thenation.com/article/who-pays-the-moral-price-of-war/

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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. All of the victims, both agressors and defenders.
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:29 PM
May 2017

War brutalizes both sides. Look at the current Israeli/Palestinian conflict as one example among many of how both sides are brutalized.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. Everywhere.
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:34 PM
May 2017

Northern Ireland,
the US, (North vs South)
Quebec vs Anglophone Canada, (mainly among the PQ partisans),
Israel/Palestine,
and on and on.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
5. "W" now paints.
Thu May 18, 2017, 10:35 PM
May 2017

One wonders how many of the wounded soldiers he has painted were wounded because of the Bush/Cheney lies that started the wars in which the soldiers were wounded.

 

NotMyFuhrer

(58 posts)
9. What about the reprecussions of the COLLATERAL DAMAGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thu May 18, 2017, 11:14 PM
May 2017

Not to mention the people in Iraq who died as a direct result of his miss step (MORE THAN Sadam ever killed!!) . . . or the people still reeling from pictures and actions of what went on at Abu Ghraib !!

What about the reprecussions of all that COLLATERAL DAMAGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can also add the current Syrian mess (chaos, instability, armed militia (with OUR "surge" weapons!) to the list!

 

NotMyFuhrer

(58 posts)
7. No more war - Looks like it is time to start networking on the following THREAD . . . No more war
Thu May 18, 2017, 11:04 PM
May 2017

Looks like it is time to start networking on the following THREAD . . .

No more war

https://www.democraticunderground.com/~no%20more%20war

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1021110


In 2012 . . . Jim . . . in Florida started an important topic. WAR!! (The end of humanity as we know it, mass murder, insane aggression, Deranged Leadership). Whatever you call it.

I vote for starting up the conversation again!! Today's times REQUIRE IT!!!!

Think: Syria, Hamas, N. Korea, Somalia, Turkey/Kurds, India/Pakistan . . . non-state Terrorists running around with bombs . . . what could go wrong?





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RKP5637

(67,088 posts)
8. So often I wonder just WTF is wrong with humans. I can only conclude it's
Thu May 18, 2017, 11:12 PM
May 2017

genetically defective programming, hard-wired for conflicts, and the profiteers of war make hoards of money.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
10. Every single person in both nations.
Thu May 18, 2017, 11:17 PM
May 2017

It's an energy thing, and it's unavoidable (although it can be lessened and/or strengthened). It's also why we will continue to have war. There are individuals who desire this effect.

You can not truly kill your way to peace, safety, security, utopia, or literally ANYTHING...but doom, although you can push the doom down the road.

For a while.

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