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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNBCNews: "Pence was never informed about Flynn: Source". BS. And "Trump a lifelong Democrat. BS.
About the former. They just flashed this on the main screen of MSNBC as if it was news. "Pence was never informed about Flynn: Source." Shouldn't the threshold for such an unlikely statement be higher than "source", at this point? Does "source" carry enough weight and knowledge so as to overturn a formal letter to Transition Head Mike Pence from Congress? Hasn't there been multiple indications that he would have known?
Is it even relevant, anyway? Because whether Pence knew or didn't know, he SHOULD have known. Whether a thorough background check or simply having an information screening process for -- oh, I don't know -- important information like LETTERS FROM THE CONGRESS ABOUT YOUR PROSPECTIVE NSA DIRECTOR, it is MIKE PENCE'S FAILURE if he didn't know about it. Unless he was willfully AVOIDING being informed about it.
Quit protecting Pence, lukewarm TV media. Rachel Maddow hasn't been: she recognizes that the weight of evidence on the side of "Pence knew" is far greater. Elsewhere on the same network, please, stop repeating crap.
About the latter: Joe Scarborough is attacking Trump loudly now, every day being critical and now mocking. But he STILL keeps repeating the "lifelong democrat" lie about Trump. I wrote to complain about it. Trump was a democrat during the Bush years - 2001-2008 - that's it. The rest of the time, as far as I can find, he's been a Republican or briefly the "independent party" which is conservative. I guess it's how Scarborough tries to keep his credentials as a Republican to his own ilk, but it appears to me to be a verifiable lie.
tanyev
(42,541 posts)That's on them.
lostnfound
(16,170 posts)greymattermom
(5,754 posts)because he received a letter. Didn't know, well who knows what he knows? We can't see inside his brain. OOPS, yes we can. Time to order an MRI.
spanone
(135,816 posts)Zoonart
(11,845 posts)I pick complicit AND stupid. Don't ever forget that it was Manafort who brought Pence to Trump, while his jet was stalled on a tarmac for...fueling? repairs?
Trump listens to the last person who has his ear, and that person was Manafort. What exactly is the Pence Manafort connection?
lostnfound
(16,170 posts)"The source close to the administration, who requested anonymity as the White House denies the story, is now saying that Pence and his team were not made aware of any investigation relating to Flynn's work as a foreign agent for Turkey.
"It's also a fact that if he told McGahn that during the transition, it's also a fact that not only was Pence not made aware of that, no one around Pence was as well," the source said. "And that's an egregious error and it has to be intentional. It's either malpractice or intentional, and either are unacceptable."
Well I agree that it's unacceptable, but the spin in here! To believe the source, you have to believe or she DOESNT know whether Flynn told McGahn ("if" , but DOES know that Pence was not made aware of it and neither was anyone around Pence.
it's a lot harder to prove a negative than to prove a positive, by the way.
Freethinker65
(10,009 posts)Both men saw an opening easily exploited in the current GOP and took it. Pence believes in the GOP whereas Trump believes in Trump.
lostnfound
(16,170 posts)Freethinker65
(10,009 posts)nycbos
(6,034 posts)He is whatever it suits him to be at the time.
still_one
(92,116 posts)including not declaring himself a Democrat or republican:
July 1987 Republican
October 1999 Independence Party
August 2001 Democrat
September 2009 Republican
December 2011 No party affiliation (independent)
April 2012 Republican
MSNBC, as with the other cable/satellite news outlets, are not an honest broker of news. Probably their worst distortion was after Comey released the letter to the republicans in congress, MSNBC reported as breaking news, "the email investigation had been reopened". THAT WAS A LIE. MSNBC then proceeded to parade every right wing republican across their screen to propagate that lie.
MSNBC, has also been in the process of slowly replacing much of their commentators who have a progressive bias, with those have a bias to the right. The latest news that the second highest rated show in that category, Lawrence O'Donald, appears that they will not be renewing his contract.
lostnfound
(16,170 posts)You know, there IS a huge difference between the parties, yet the two party system is also used to divide the masses on a few controllable opinions, and with the split in media, it becomes even easier to control the voters.
It isn't necessary for the plutocrats to convince the left of trickledown or that trump is a populist looking out for their interests -- they couldn't convince them of that, anyway. But the details of who gets picked for special counsel matter to the left, not so much to the right. When trump falls, the right wing base will probably hear an angry debate on their media about whether the left just took him down or the liberal media. When trump falls, the left wing will have to be convinced that President Pence is the undesirable but unavoidable outcome.
I see this reporting as trying to protect Pence so that he remains a viable path forward for the plutocrats to use.
And they've divided us so much that political conversations have become impossible between left and right...which makes the political winds easier to control.
still_one
(92,116 posts)ananda
(28,856 posts)Pretend as though Pence was out of the loop so he could take the reins if necessary.
It's all bullshit. Pence is as complicit as they come.