Sorry, but Kushner is NOT orthodox Jewish

[ProudLib72]

What orthodox rabbi gives dispensation to travel on Shabbat?

Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner fly to Saudi Arabia - on Shabbat: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/229870

While the couple observe the Sabbath and ordinarily do not travel from Friday evening till Saturday night, they have in the past received special rabbinic dispensation to be transported on the Sabbath, though still refraining from driving themselves.

A White House official confirmed to Politico that Kushner and Ivanka Trump would be traveling with the President on Friday, and that they had received dispensation from a rabbi after consulting him about the trip. The official did not name which rabbi had given the couple permission to travel.

Did the same rabbi give him permission to eat kid boiled in its mother's milk when he's in Saudi? What a load of crap!

[greymattermom]

1. Exactly

and no Orthodox women dress like Ivanka either.

[Hortensis]

19. Exactly nothing. Insulting people by insisting they

are not the religion they claim is no better than refusing to accept the sex or race claimed. Aren't there enough genuine issues to disapprove of in that crowd making up insults and without attacking their religious affiliation also?

If I thought this kind of stuff was appropriate to wallow in, I'd have joined the Freepers.

[unblock]

27. uh, not true at all.

[marylandblue]

2. He appears to be Conservadox

A sort of halfway between Orthodox and Conservative. This group tends to be fairly observant but willing to break rules when convenient.

[Wellstone ruled]

4. My Orthodox Neighbor Lady said the same

yesterday.

[ProudLib72]

5. I used to belong to a Modern Orthodox shul

I would call myself back then Conservadox. I have no problem with someone traveling on Shabbat as long as he or she does not claim to be Orthodox. And this rabbi giving permission is just a slap in the face.

[StevieM]

14. My brother and ex-SIL are modern Orthodox, essentially. They belong to a modern orthodox shul.

But they never wanted to call themselves Conservadox, for the same reason that they were hesitant to fully embrace being Orthodox. They had issues with the status and treatment of women.

My SIL once said that they might like to be called "Orthative," if such a thing existed.

[ProudLib72]

15. My wife would never go to an Orthodox shul

Funny thing is, she is the more frum of us. The shul I used to go to did not have a mehitza, but women had to sit in the back. They couldn't participate (like have an aliyah). To be honest, it was kind of schizophrenic. There were more allowances for women to be seen and follow along with the service, but they had to be kept at arms length. After a year and a half at that shul, I moved and joined a Conservative shul. It was extremely progressive and I liked it a lot.

[Odoreida]

3. Sorry, there's no automatic excommunication in Orthodox Judaism.

"Not a real Orthodox Jew because ... "

It just doesn't work that way.

[ProudLib72]

7. Nope

But I can call him on his bullshit.

[leftynyc]

8. I'm not saying he doesn't

consider himself an Orthodox Jew - I'm saying your average ORTHODOX rabbi wouldn't be giving out this kind of consideration for partying at the inauguration and flying to Saudi Arabia. Just wouldn't happen.

[ProudLib72]

9. Exactly

Your average Orthodox rabbi would tell him to postpone his flight until Sunday. The article says it couldn't find out who the rabbi was. I am envisioning a friend of The Don's personal physician. In other words, a crack pot.

[leftynyc]

11. Agree

The trumps have their own planes, jarad and ivanka could have easily put off the trip until after sundown on Saturday.

[leftynyc]

6. Yup

The whole thing is bullshit. First for the inauguration and now for this. Your average Jewish person would never get the same consideration - the Sabbath is serious stuff (some say the most important of the 10 commandments).

[itcfish]

10. Does He Have to Wear

a yarmulke and does she not have to wear a wig or a scarf? I used to work with Orthodox Jews and they were pretty strict.

[leftynyc]

12. Those are personal choices

for each person to make.

[enough]

13. Reminds me of the Amish in my neighborhood who cannot drive cars or trucks,

but are able "to be transported" in cars and trucks is somebody else is driving.

[Jake Stern]

16. Brings to mind a story I heard long ago

A man goes to a wise rabbi and asks if he can fly on Shabbat.

The rabbi responded that he could as long as he kept his seatbelt on then it's as if he's wearing the plane.

[Mosby]

17. People should mind their own business

Fwiw any jewish commandment can be ignored if the reason is important enough.

His rabbi clearly thinks it's important for jared and ivanka travel with the pres.

[Jake Stern]

18. Depends

If the person in question busts the chops of people like me who enjoy an occasional BLT while they're violating the sabbath when it isn't life or death then eff 'em.

Don't know that's the case here so I withhold judgement.

[elehhhhna]

20. I am told that the Torah says something like

if a Jew must eat pork then he should enjoy it so the fat runs down his chin

That's probably a mangled paraphrase or I'm completely misinformed what is it ? Anybody?

[ProudLib72]

22. If you're going to eat pork

Eat a bellyful.

[elehhhhna]

34. Gracias!

[ProudLib72]

23. Yes

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I could not care less if someone tells me they are Jewish but prefers to eat BLTs. But when there is a fuss made over how he is Orthodox and Ivanka converted and they go to shul every week, well I don't want to hear about how he can have special permission to fly on Shabbat.

The fact that his son-in-law was Orthodox was a big deal when tRump was trying to promote his pro-Jewish crap during his campaign. You can't have it both ways. Either you are Orthodox or not.

[Jake Stern]

25. Exactly nt

[elehhhhna]

33. Jared been Orthodoxxed

[Skittles]

36. the expression is COULDN'T care less

[ProudLib72]

38. Thank you

That is a personal pet peeve and I just wrote it!

[Skittles]

39. mine too

"I could care less" makes no sense unless you are saying you DO CARE, somewhat

[Hortensis]

21. +1000.

[Doreen]

31. Yeah, it is real important that they travel with the president to

help destroy our country and world.

[tblue37]

24. They also were given a dispensation to attend the Inaugural Ball on Shabbat. nt

[Atman]

26. They're Convenient Jewish.

Not fully Jew. Just Jew-ish.

[PCIntern]

28. My cousin Judy has her own religion: Judy-ism. Nt

[unblock]

30. ha! hey, whatever happened to judy tenuta?

where is she now?

[PCIntern]

37. Disappeared after that joke. Nt

[unblock]

29. rabbis don't "give permission" at all

they are teachers, learned in torah.

they can help you understand and interpret the teachings of judaism to apply them to your life, but they do not "give permission" for anything.


well, at least not in the broad, spiritual sense. they can "give permission" in the sense of whether or not there are any repercussions in synagogue, but that has more to do with how a rabbi runs the synagogue, not with the religion per se.

[ProudLib72]

32. Very true!

If Kushner chooses to travel on Shabbat, that is on him. He needs to learn this is not Catholicism where a priest can absolve you of your sins.

edit: I went back and checked the article again. The term they used was "dispensation".

[edhopper]

35. Don't confuse

Orthodox with Ultra-orthodox likevthe Hasidim, which is more like a cult.