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Seasider

(164 posts)
Sat May 20, 2017, 06:58 PM May 2017

Bill Maher and Cornell West really got into it last night

It wasn't a big surprise. Maher slammed West on a recent show so when he showed up as a guest last night, it was only a matter of time before they clashed. I get where Cornell is coming from with establishment Democrats but his hatred of Hillary is just mind boggling to me. He might as well be on the payroll for TYT.

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Bill Maher and Cornell West really got into it last night (Original Post) Seasider May 2017 OP
He has lost all credibility. Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #1
Cornell West lost all credibility when with me when he insulted Obama. hrmjustin May 2017 #2
The Stein endorsement was stupid- a childish and spiteful move at best. bettyellen May 2017 #3
After he forced himself onto the Democratic Platform group and got stuff into it. Blue_true May 2017 #13
That is exactly right. He showed exactly who he was with his animosity toward President still_one May 2017 #28
Nice to see that Bill Maher is back off the naughty list again. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #4
Batshit crazy NastyRiffraff May 2017 #5
I will never agree with Dr. West on this issue mountain grammy May 2017 #6
He is a jerk and I would have rather heard from Frum Hamlette May 2017 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author milestogo May 2017 #23
Bill Maher... tonedevil May 2017 #8
Cornell West cares much more about having a platform for complaining than about changing policy. BzaDem May 2017 #9
to do both would be difficult for anyone, he's motivating others to fan the flames Demonaut May 2017 #12
I think you misunderstand his motivations. BzaDem May 2017 #18
you've asked him his motivations? Demonaut May 2017 #25
By his actions we shall know him Orrex May 2017 #32
why does the so called "left media" WinstonSmith00 May 2017 #10
Cornell's wing of the left is much more interested in fighting with Democrats than fighting Trump. stevenleser May 2017 #33
The segment started off with a topic worth discussing, and West Exilednight May 2017 #37
Cornell, you are too much an advocate Demonaut May 2017 #11
Yep! imanamerican63 May 2017 #14
the supreme court trumps everything. i did not have high hopes for h clinton being a GOOD president. pansypoo53219 May 2017 #15
She would have been a very good president joeybee12 May 2017 #21
darn right. This false narrative against Hillary is really sad still_one May 2017 #29
Post removed Post removed May 2017 #16
There is a reason why Theo-Fascist Robert George Dawson Leery May 2017 #17
I despise West...and never watch him. Demsrule86 May 2017 #19
West is a BS artist and always has been. Trumpocalypse May 2017 #20
All West cares about is telling other people he's right. Nt joeybee12 May 2017 #22
Those who refused to vote for Hillary OWN Trump. Period. LBM20 May 2017 #24
Excellent point. still_one May 2017 #30
Alt left. nt LexVegas May 2017 #26
Love how West thinks it's a given that Sanders would have won against tRump stopbush May 2017 #27
Well, LWolf May 2017 #31
West: "I live in New Jersey, my vote wouldn't have mattered". oasis May 2017 #34
West's slanderous attacks on Obama, which at times were indistinguishable from RWing racists.. JHan May 2017 #35
The clip cuts the last few seconds Trumpocalypse May 2017 #36
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
2. Cornell West lost all credibility when with me when he insulted Obama.
Sat May 20, 2017, 07:02 PM
May 2017

His endorsement of Stein just showed his lack of character.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
13. After he forced himself onto the Democratic Platform group and got stuff into it.
Sat May 20, 2017, 08:18 PM
May 2017

He is poison and maybe unstable.

still_one

(91,937 posts)
28. That is exactly right. He showed exactly who he was with his animosity toward President
Sun May 21, 2017, 10:46 AM
May 2017

Obama.

His ego, arrogance, and hypocrisy are very predictable


Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
4. Nice to see that Bill Maher is back off the naughty list again.
Sat May 20, 2017, 07:10 PM
May 2017

When he calls religion ridiculous, or stands up for free speech against things like censorship of sex scenes on HBO, some people have temper tantrums.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
5. Batshit crazy
Sat May 20, 2017, 07:10 PM
May 2017

He's like a caricature of a crazed maniac. The bulging eyes, the "in your face" speech, the waving arms, the bobbing head, the big frown.

mountain grammy

(26,568 posts)
6. I will never agree with Dr. West on this issue
Sat May 20, 2017, 07:14 PM
May 2017

but I refuse to dismiss him and will always listen to what he has to say.

Hamlette

(15,388 posts)
7. He is a jerk and I would have rather heard from Frum
Sat May 20, 2017, 07:19 PM
May 2017

I know David Frum has been a republican for ever (still is I assume) but I find it more interesting to listen to someone with a different world view when we agree on something (he voted for Hillary and hates Trump). I think he could give us some insight into how we might "reach" moderate right wingers. I agree the deplorables are a lost cause but at this point in time, Frum is more interesting than West and West wouldn't let him talk.

I hate everything about West. Haven't heard an intelligent thought from him in many years.

Response to Hamlette (Reply #7)

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
8. Bill Maher...
Sat May 20, 2017, 07:24 PM
May 2017

just gets more annoying and less relevant with every passing day. This well reminds me why I never watch his drivel. Now that he has hectored everyone to stop worshipping deities he's going to turn his mighty scold to making everyone vote properly. It's not that he's wrong regarding how bad Donald is, but that didn't win the election last time and it really isn't likely to turn the trick next time.

Demonaut

(8,909 posts)
12. to do both would be difficult for anyone, he's motivating others to fan the flames
Sat May 20, 2017, 08:09 PM
May 2017

get others to actively participate in make changes, not the apathy that exist

BzaDem

(11,142 posts)
18. I think you misunderstand his motivations.
Sun May 21, 2017, 06:27 AM
May 2017

He has much more to complain about when Trump is president. So of course, he takes actions (such as supporting Jill Stein) that made a Trump presidency more likely, all so he has more to complain about on the other side.

He of course has the right to support whoever he wants. But why anyone distinguishes him from any Trump-supporting Republican is beyond me.

Demonaut

(8,909 posts)
25. you've asked him his motivations?
Sun May 21, 2017, 10:21 AM
May 2017

or are you assuming you better understand him by observing him?

 

WinstonSmith00

(228 posts)
10. why does the so called "left media"
Sat May 20, 2017, 07:55 PM
May 2017

Talk about such pointless topics.
Six minutes on Hillary would of been better than Trump duh. Blah pointless babble not a single important point made.

The left media needs to focus on the corporate crime and the lies of the republicans. It needs to be an awakening and educating force not just pointless squabbling.

Our corporate media which Maher is a part of intentionally leaves people uninformed and arguing over unimportant topics.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
33. Cornell's wing of the left is much more interested in fighting with Democrats than fighting Trump.
Sun May 21, 2017, 11:19 AM
May 2017

That's the issue.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
37. The segment started off with a topic worth discussing, and West
Mon May 22, 2017, 07:28 AM
May 2017

Attempted to steer back towards that topic. Maher decided it was Hillary Vs Trump, not why cops shoot people of colour.

Small minds talk people. Great minds talk about the issue. I do agree with Maher on one point, when people take the job of protector of the peace, they should understand that the job comes with danger, and that they are putting the public's well being ahead of their own. I understood that when I joined the military, what I don't understand is where that belief became lost on future generations.

imanamerican63

(13,668 posts)
14. Yep!
Sat May 20, 2017, 08:19 PM
May 2017

He a smart man, but too smart? He was talking out both sides of his mouth and at times it did not make sense to what the conversation was. Bill was also jumping in to quickly and Cornell could not finish his answer!

pansypoo53219

(20,906 posts)
15. the supreme court trumps everything. i did not have high hopes for h clinton being a GOOD president.
Sat May 20, 2017, 08:36 PM
May 2017

but after 89. it was ONLY the win as GHWBUSHIT gave us CLARENCE. it is all about the W. not LOSING. EAT THE CHICKEN. why the tuirds win. THEY EAT CHICKEN. or rancid chicken.

Response to Seasider (Original post)

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
19. I despise West...and never watch him.
Sun May 21, 2017, 07:31 AM
May 2017

I like Maher and will watch the show with West on mute. He doesn't just hate Hillary. He hates all Democrats and said that Trump would be better than Hillary...there is no forgiveness for that.

stopbush

(24,375 posts)
27. Love how West thinks it's a given that Sanders would have won against tRump
Sun May 21, 2017, 10:38 AM
May 2017

when he was roundly defeated by Hillary and couldn't even win the D nomination.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
31. Well,
Sun May 21, 2017, 11:11 AM
May 2017

I prefer TYT to Maher and some others lauded here, so it's probably not surprising that I don't hate CW. I don't hate Maher, either; at times, I've appreciated his remarks, and at times I haven't. I agree with the "disaster" and "catastrophe" assessment. I'm listening now, and they aren't yelling yet, but so far, I agree with everything West is saying. If Maher really wanted a substantive conversation, he'd be talking about issues instead of re-hashing the election and a failed candidate. He's stirring the pot, trying to keep the party division live, and trying to push a party line excusing an inexcusable loss and deflecting blame.

Arguing over the votes of people in safe states instead of the problems in swing states; stealing, hiding, concealing...this is not one of Maher's better moments.

oasis

(49,150 posts)
34. West: "I live in New Jersey, my vote wouldn't have mattered".
Sun May 21, 2017, 11:36 AM
May 2017

Not a surprising cop out from a pseudo intellectual blowhard.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
35. West's slanderous attacks on Obama, which at times were indistinguishable from RWing racists..
Sun May 21, 2017, 11:39 AM
May 2017

turned me off him completely. I don't need Cornel West to tell me what is obviously wrong about America - West never comes up with solutions, his arsenal consists mainly of ad hominem attacks. He's like a bull in the china shop of "establishment" politics, not caring who or what he tries to destroy. He gets TV appearances out of it so I guess it's all good.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
36. The clip cuts the last few seconds
Mon May 22, 2017, 06:42 AM
May 2017

when Neil deGrasse Tyson says to West that Maher is right. Do that begs the question. Who do you trust more, West or Tyson?

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