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luvMIdog

(2,533 posts)
Sat May 20, 2017, 11:01 PM May 2017

Arab bashing/ Muslim bashing might be popular but I stand against it even I'm agnostic

I'm agnostic I married a Muslim Arab. I had one son when I married him. I had 4 daughters with him. The father of my son was an absent father. The Arab man I married supported that boy all his life from the time he was an infant even though he didn't have to.

My daughters are half Irish American & half Arab. 2 of those daughters are Muslim and wear hijab. The third daughter is a very free spirit and not really religious and married a guy with south American roots. My 4th daughter is an outspoken atheist and she is also pansexual and very active about LGBT rights. My son is also atheist and married a girl with South American roots and he speaks Spanish fluently.

Yes 9/11 was an awful thing done to our country by terrorists. Our government has also done some awful things in their countries as well.

It is not okay to me for me to sit by silently while people lump everyone in one culture in a big lump and ridicule them. ALL cultures throughout history have done some funky things.

I come to this place to get away from small minded right wingers that are hate ridden.

4 of my kids are half Arab. I'm not going to slam that for anyone. 2 of my daughters have chosen to be Muslim. That is their choice and I love them. My atheist daughter told me she'd been having a sexual relationship with another woman. I hugged her and said " Be who you are. Be happy!" .

Ridiculing people based on these kinds of things is very hurtful and damaging. I wonder if some of you even realize it sounds just like the right wing and makes me feel like crying.

I divorced the Arab man I was married too. He remarried. I'm disabled. Do you know this man I divorced paid cash for my surgeries? He calls to ask if I need money or help. Yes & then I get to hear how Arab men treat their wives like shit. NOT all Arab men treat their wives like shit. Some of them love their wives madly. Please stop saying such racist and insensitive things. My first husband was Texas cowboy he likes to cheat on me and come home and beat me senseless. He was 100 percent American.

I'm now 60 years old . I'm agnostic I try to live and let live. I just wanted to speak my mind here because I wanted some of you to know that some of these comments you are making sound very right wing and they are hurtful to other people. If I get banned.. well I get banned.

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Arab bashing/ Muslim bashing might be popular but I stand against it even I'm agnostic (Original Post) luvMIdog May 2017 OP
agnostic is nothing more than an undecided voter but I agree about the bashing juxtaposed May 2017 #1
Try again: elleng May 2017 #2
Thank you elling you just summed up what an undecided voter is. just my take of years juxtaposed May 2017 #3
I'm not an undecided voter. elleng May 2017 #4
Thank you again. juxtaposed May 2017 #5
Wrong. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #15
I'm sure you feel equally unhappy about anyone criticizing Christianity? brooklynite May 2017 #6
There are militant radical Muslims & there are militant radical Christians.. luvMIdog May 2017 #8
Are you suggesting Christians in the U.S. are hated on as much as Muslims? pnwmom May 2017 #10
Whether they're hated or not is irrelevant... brooklynite May 2017 #13
There are plenty of non-religious people who are intolerant; pnwmom May 2017 #14
'Whataboutism' RandiFan1290 May 2017 #11
Thank you for sharing this, luvMIdog. brer cat May 2017 #7
Thank you. I have my warts , but I try luvMIdog May 2017 #9
If you see nasty comments here, please alert on therm. I don't stand for prejudice or bigotry uppityperson May 2017 #12
+1. People are people. Praise the good ones, condemn the bad ones. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #16
Thank you luvMIdog May 2017 #17
You are welcome. What people do is more important than what they believe. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #19
We all need to stand against the racism. Period. No if ands or buts. OldSchoolLiberal May 2017 #18

elleng

(130,757 posts)
2. Try again:
Sat May 20, 2017, 11:08 PM
May 2017

a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

 

juxtaposed

(2,778 posts)
3. Thank you elling you just summed up what an undecided voter is. just my take of years
Sat May 20, 2017, 11:12 PM
May 2017

dealing with undecided voters. Thanks.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,965 posts)
15. Wrong.
Sun May 21, 2017, 01:38 AM
May 2017

I am agnostic because of my rational scientific evidence-based thinking (proving a negative is very hard) but the weight of evidence for atheism is so compelling that I behave as if I am atheist and even advocate for it.

By your binary thinking I am an "undecided voter". You could not be more wrong. I vote and advocate for atheism.

Binary thinking is one of the most common fallacies that people indulge in.

luvMIdog

(2,533 posts)
8. There are militant radical Muslims & there are militant radical Christians..
Sat May 20, 2017, 11:36 PM
May 2017

My father is a Christian. 2 of my sisters are Christian. My granny was a Christian. My favorite aunt is a Christian. My daughter in law is a Christian. I love them all.

Sometimes I will bash televangelists when they are preaching messages of hatred . I'm also freaked out by them saying 45 is God's choice. But no I don't run amok bashing and ridiculing Christians for Christianity.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
10. Are you suggesting Christians in the U.S. are hated on as much as Muslims?
Sun May 21, 2017, 12:04 AM
May 2017

Most Americans know plenty of Christians -- enough to realize that they comprise an entire spectrum of good and bad people.

But many Americans live in places where they're met few, if any, Muslims in real life. So stories like the OP's help to give them perspective.

brooklynite

(94,363 posts)
13. Whether they're hated or not is irrelevant...
Sun May 21, 2017, 01:15 AM
May 2017

...both religions are intolerant and are equally deserving of criticism, regardless of what their adherents are like.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
14. There are plenty of non-religious people who are intolerant;
Sun May 21, 2017, 01:18 AM
May 2017

for example, members of the John Birch Society, which is a political, not a religious, group.

Non-religious people just use other excuses for projecting the negative feelings inside them.

brer cat

(24,525 posts)
7. Thank you for sharing this, luvMIdog.
Sat May 20, 2017, 11:32 PM
May 2017

Such broadbrush attacks reflect ignorance and a closed mind, as well as indifference to the pain it causes others. Not what one would expect here; certainly not values we like to associate with Democrats.

I appreciate the time you took to introduce us to your family. Your love and respect for diversity is something we all should strive to achieve. "Be who you are. Be happy!" We would all be lucky to be so loved.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
12. If you see nasty comments here, please alert on therm. I don't stand for prejudice or bigotry
Sun May 21, 2017, 12:09 AM
May 2017

Best wishes to you and yours.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,965 posts)
16. +1. People are people. Praise the good ones, condemn the bad ones.
Sun May 21, 2017, 01:42 AM
May 2017

There are religious people who are tolerant.

There are religious people who are intolerant.

There are areligious people who are intolerant.

There are areligious people who are tolerant.


For me, tolerance is more important that what a person might believe alone at night or in large groups of like-minded people.
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