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sarisataka

(18,649 posts)
Sun May 21, 2017, 06:53 PM May 2017

Woman Charged for Pointing Gun at Teen Allegedly Raping Dog

Woman Charged for Pointing Gun at Teen Allegedly Raping Dog

An Arkansas woman is facing a felony charge after pointing a gun at a teenage boy who she says was sexually assaulting her neighbor’s dog.

Kerrie Lenkerd told police in Centerton, a northwest Arkansas town, that she looked out a window and saw the teen with "the dog he raped last time."

"I got my gun out of my safe and went out my back door," Lenkerd told police, according to a court filing. "I told him to get on the f---ing ground and pointed my gun at him."

The boy, identified only as NM, 14 years old, in court documents, jumped over a fence and ran. As he fled, Lenkerd fired a shot into the grass "to scare him," she said.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-05-08/woman-who-pointed-gun-at-teen-accused-of-raping-dog-charged-with-aggravated-assault
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Woman Charged for Pointing Gun at Teen Allegedly Raping Dog (Original Post) sarisataka May 2017 OP
Charges probably have more to do with firing a shot to scare the kid. NutmegYankee May 2017 #1
According to her attorney, sarisataka May 2017 #2
Gunfucker vs Dogfucker. Iggo May 2017 #3
Right on. NT enough May 2017 #10
Well he left his pants and ipad behind when he jumped the fence.. sarah FAILIN May 2017 #4
Gun versus cell phone vid ProudLib72 May 2017 #5
Exactly. Duppers May 2017 #12
So I guess the dog doesn't matter? LisaL May 2017 #16
You can't seriously be asking this ProudLib72 May 2017 #19
Well, since he is a minor, if you tape him and put it on you tube, you'd likely get locked LisaL May 2017 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author maveric May 2017 #6
Ewwww. Duppers May 2017 #13
No, it's not true. It's just an opportunity to broad brush people. nolabear May 2017 #26
why didn't she record it and turn it in to the cops ? JI7 May 2017 #7
Maybe she wanted to prevent the alleged rape of the dog? LisaL May 2017 #17
they weren't doing anything about it JI7 May 2017 #18
Well, she did something about it. LisaL May 2017 #24
so you think he isn't going to come back and try to rape the dog or other dogs again ? JI7 May 2017 #25
Per the article, police say the boy had been charged. LisaL May 2017 #28
some people really just don't care about animals; no amount of reason will change it. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #40
what if he was raping a child? Beaverhausen May 2017 #39
Was a Huckabee involved ? DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #8
+1 dalton99a May 2017 #32
I was going to say the same thing blueinredohio May 2017 #36
I'm old enough to remember DUers who agreed that pointing a gun at someone without firing it Starry Messenger May 2017 #9
That is just stupid. Doreen May 2017 #14
How should she have stopped him? Duppers May 2017 #11
police would likely have shot the dog... Sancho May 2017 #21
Right? LOL Lib May 2017 #29
I'm with you... Sancho May 2017 #31
The right answer is confront, armed, but don't point the gun Lee-Lee May 2017 #44
That is a seriously disturbed 14-year-old. nt Laffy Kat May 2017 #15
Animal rape is kind of common among developmentally disabled males Lee-Lee May 2017 #43
Seems to me she was stopping a felony. krispos42 May 2017 #20
word. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #41
Damn, Centerton is only 28 miles from where I live. It all may sinkingfeeling May 2017 #22
In 4 years he could vote for Trump not that different. gordianot May 2017 #27
Charges against her were dropped. moriah May 2017 #30
Now that's some sleuthing ProudLib72 May 2017 #34
Thanks. The witness statements are interesting. moriah May 2017 #35
Per the police report: Adsos Letter May 2017 #37
what kind of cut did the dog have to entice said boy? pansypoo53219 May 2017 #33
So where's the dog's owner? Bayard May 2017 #38
Every state is different but in most states that wouldn't be a permissible use of force Lee-Lee May 2017 #42

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
1. Charges probably have more to do with firing a shot to scare the kid.
Sun May 21, 2017, 06:57 PM
May 2017

It's pretty much always illegal to fire a shot to scare someone who poses no threat to you.

sarisataka

(18,649 posts)
2. According to her attorney,
Sun May 21, 2017, 07:00 PM
May 2017

the charges are for pointing the gun, not firing a shot.

In my mind shooting, even into the ground, would be the chargeable action as the teen was fleeing according to her.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
4. Well he left his pants and ipad behind when he jumped the fence..
Sun May 21, 2017, 07:05 PM
May 2017

I don't know why the woman is being charged myself when she was trying to hold him for the cops since they wouldn't do anything the last time the kid raped the dog

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
5. Gun versus cell phone vid
Sun May 21, 2017, 07:07 PM
May 2017

Which would be more damaging to the perp in the long run, firing a gun into the ground "to scare him" or taking a vid and posting it on youtube?

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
19. You can't seriously be asking this
Sun May 21, 2017, 07:44 PM
May 2017

And how do you propose to keep the dog safe? The cops didn't do anything to him the last time he raped the dog. If you're going to take the law into your own hands, you'd best do it intelligently. If a vid of him goes viral on youtube, he is going to think twice about trying to rape a dog.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
23. Well, since he is a minor, if you tape him and put it on you tube, you'd likely get locked
Sun May 21, 2017, 07:55 PM
May 2017

up for manufacturing and distribution of child porn.
So, sorry, I don't find this a good idea, even if you ignore the dog.

Response to sarisataka (Original post)

nolabear

(41,962 posts)
26. No, it's not true. It's just an opportunity to broad brush people.
Sun May 21, 2017, 08:02 PM
May 2017

This was horrid, and there are horrid things that have been done by people in Arkansas. But that statement was uncalled for.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
17. Maybe she wanted to prevent the alleged rape of the dog?
Sun May 21, 2017, 07:34 PM
May 2017

Apparently to some people the dog is an inanimate object.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
25. so you think he isn't going to come back and try to rape the dog or other dogs again ?
Sun May 21, 2017, 07:58 PM
May 2017

is she always going to be there with a gun to stop him ?

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
28. Per the article, police say the boy had been charged.
Sun May 21, 2017, 08:06 PM
May 2017

So I have no idea what you you are trying to argue here.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
39. what if he was raping a child?
Mon May 22, 2017, 12:18 AM
May 2017

stop the teen or record it for the cops?

Now picture your own pet as the victim...

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
9. I'm old enough to remember DUers who agreed that pointing a gun at someone without firing it
Sun May 21, 2017, 07:11 PM
May 2017

should be a felony when in involved fending off an abusive spouse.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
14. That is just stupid.
Sun May 21, 2017, 07:30 PM
May 2017

It goes on the same line of where I live. I do not know how it works in the rest of the country but if the police respond to a domestic violence BOTH people are arrested. It does not matter if the abused is in a quivering bloody ball in the corner. They are taken to the hospital then the police station.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
11. How should she have stopped him?
Sun May 21, 2017, 07:17 PM
May 2017

Call police? Would they come or have gotten there in time? And wouldn't it then have been a she-said, he-said thing?

Getting a video would convict the kid, but would a judge in a small AK town sentence him?

And it would either of these things have stopped the dog's immediate pain? No.

Poor dog.


LOL Lib

(1,462 posts)
29. Right?
Sun May 21, 2017, 08:18 PM
May 2017

I'm thankful the lady protected the dog. I know I'm going to get snarky replies, but the only thing the lady did wrong was shooting at the ground instead of the dog raper. No I don't care if he was running away. Anyone that would rape an animal is not going to grow into being a productive member of society.

Let the complaints and alerts begin, I stand by my opinion.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
31. I'm with you...
Sun May 21, 2017, 08:45 PM
May 2017

of course, here in Fl you could have likely shot the guy and claimed "stand your ground" or something.

The police would likely be useless.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
44. The right answer is confront, armed, but don't point the gun
Mon May 22, 2017, 06:43 AM
May 2017

Because the line beteeen armed for self defense in case it's needed and assault is crossed when you point the gun at a person not posing a threat to you or another person.

That, and no stupid shot into the ground.

The teen still would have fled.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
43. Animal rape is kind of common among developmentally disabled males
Mon May 22, 2017, 06:40 AM
May 2017

We had at least 3 group homes in the county I worked in that had residents known to do it if they got away from the facility.

It became the subject of a pretty big lawsuit between the company that ran one and a family who had their young children look out the window and see a man in his 40's going at it with their pet goat, several deputies I worked with ended up having to give depositions and one had to testify in the case.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
20. Seems to me she was stopping a felony.
Sun May 21, 2017, 07:48 PM
May 2017

I'd give her a slap on the wrist for the unnecessary discharge and toss the kid in a metal hospital.

sinkingfeeling

(51,457 posts)
22. Damn, Centerton is only 28 miles from where I live. It all may
Sun May 21, 2017, 07:53 PM
May 2017

spread out of Bentonville County into mine.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
35. Thanks. The witness statements are interesting.
Sun May 21, 2017, 09:57 PM
May 2017

I still think she acted in defense of another, and it's also permissible to use force here in a "choice of evils" situation:

http://law.justia.com/codes/arkansas/2010/title-5/subtitle-1/chapter-2/subchapter-6/5-2-604/

(a) Conduct that would otherwise constitute an offense is justifiable when:

(1) The conduct is necessary as an emergency measure to avoid an imminent public or private injury; and

(2) According to ordinary standards of reasonableness, the desirability and urgency of avoiding the imminent public or private injury outweigh the injury sought to be prevented by the law proscribing the conduct.

(b) Justification under this section shall not rest upon a consideration pertaining to the morality or advisability of the statute defining the offense charged.

(c) If the actor is reckless or negligent in bringing about the situation requiring a choice of evils or in appraising the necessity for his or her conduct, the justification afforded by this section is unavailable in a prosecution for any offense for which recklessness or negligence, as the case may be, suffices to establish a culpable mental state.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
37. Per the police report:
Sun May 21, 2017, 11:13 PM
May 2017

According to the interview conducted when the kid and his mom came into the police station, he admitted he was only wearing underwear when he fled the scene.

I wonder how he tried to explain that to the cops?

pansypoo53219

(20,976 posts)
33. what kind of cut did the dog have to entice said boy?
Sun May 21, 2017, 08:57 PM
May 2017

too much make up? heels? a mini skirt. obviously it had to be the dogs fault. she flirted.

Bayard

(22,069 posts)
38. So where's the dog's owner?
Mon May 22, 2017, 12:02 AM
May 2017

What do they have to say about this, especially since its the second time the little pervert was caught in the act? I'm assuming this is a small dog that could be easily overpowered. Is it injured?

I put this in the same category as raping human babies. Sick, sick, sick.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
42. Every state is different but in most states that wouldn't be a permissible use of force
Mon May 22, 2017, 06:36 AM
May 2017

Because in most states they require it to be used only in defense of ones self or another person and the big isn't a person but legally is property.

Now you could arm yourself and go confront the teen without pointing the gun at them and be legal in most places, because at that point your just armed in case of need for self defense. The difference between having a gun in case you need to defend yourself and assault is pointing it at somebody.

As for the "warning shot" its absolutely a bad idea no matter what. She it least put it into the ground and if that was legal will depend on if she was inside city limits and if not how close she was to another dwelling and Arkansas laws on that.

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