Wow! I just saw the Access Hollywood interview with Rachel Maddow

[rusty fender]

on the death of Ailes. She considered him to be a friend and a mentor! I'm flabbergasted This disclosure reveals a disturbing flaw in our media heroine

Can't remember how to post a link, but I found it on Yahoo, recorded on May 18th.

[elleng]

1. a flaw in her because he helped her out?

[Warpy]

2. Here's the whole interview

Sometimes mentors can teach us what not to do, also.

[Pachamama]

3. +1000

And also sometimes people are not all black or white...

I have personally had people in my life who did many great things but we're also terribly flawed or changed for the worse at a point in their life. That didn't make what they did that was good mean nothing or be forgotten or wrong. They just became people I lost respect for and who were not a part of my life anymore.

[OnDoutside]

4. Fairly poor and unfair post from the OP, IMO.

[Phoenix61]

5. I don't think it reveals a flaw at all

She has a very balanced perspective of him. He gave her professional advice she found helpful. He started the news network station concept that she makes her living in. She stated several times that the allegations against him were serious for him and for the network. She in no way defended that behavior or implied that he did not engage in it.

[JI7]

6. she didn't defend him and acknowledged the sexual abuse and other faults

she was talking about her own experience with him but didn't try to claim it showed him to be some great person or some shit like that.

[rusty fender]

7. I couldn't imagine Amy Goodman

seeking out Roger Ailes for professional advice. You can't separate the bacon from the pig in Ailes' case. The man oozed evil.

In the interview, Rachel stated that she asked Ailes what he thought of the color of her set and angle of the camera on her. Really? She knows damn well that the type of people who watch her show don't give a crap about the color of her set or camera angles. She just wanted to ingratiate herself with a powerful media CEO. She chose the biggest piece of shit in the industry and it's sickening. It was a very slimey thing of her to do.

[MineralMan]

21. OK, then. You don't like Rachel Maddow.

We get that. Why not just say that, instead of trying to dig up some kind of dirt on her and get it wrong at that?

How embarrassing for you, really...

[rusty fender]

22. I didn't dig up dirt on her...

she admitted to developing a friendship with a right-wing scumbag. I'm disappointed in her. I apologize for thinking she had higher standards.

[LisaM]

27. I can't imagine Amy Goodman doing that either. But listening to her is like watching paint dry.

I agree with her most of the time, but her slow monotone is difficult to listen to. And I'm not one who needs quick sound bites or flashy sets, per se. I appreciate long pieces and in-depth journalism. But I think there's a reason Amy Goodman isn't more well known.

[geek tragedy]

30. funny, I can't imagine Amy Goodman asking a tough question

of a guest, given that she usually agrees with her guests on everything

[still_one]

8. This should surprise no one. Ailes was the President of CNBC and America Talking channel, which

would eventually become MSNBC."

I may get bashed for this, but Rachel is kissing up to power. She is a pretty savvy person, and sees the direction that Lack wants to go, and I suspect she is playing both ends against the middle.

This isn't the first time Rachel has done crap like this, where she has assumed the role of apologist of right wing media.

When Bret Baher from fox news, a week before the election, reported from "his sources in the FBI, an indictment was pending against the Clinton Foundation". That was a LIE, and 48 hours later Baher said he "misspoke", and was sorry about it.

On Rachel's show that evening she was "gushing" all over the apology from Baher, telling her audience, "how professional Baher was for admitting a mistake", adding, "after all, "everyone makes mistakes"

That was no mistake from Baher. His MISTAKE/LIE came out 3 days after Comey's letter to the republicans in Congress came out, where the MEDIA, including MSNBC, LIED, and characterized that letter as the "email investigation had been reopened", and then paraded every right wing political across their screen to propagate that LIE. In fact, after Baher came out and said he was mistaken about the "FBI indictment against the Clinton Foundation", fox news continued to spew that LIE, along with other outlets such as google news. That was no mistake

Of course by Rachel eulogizing Ailes, she is effectively saying the same thing as she said about Baher, "no one is perfect"

[brush]

26. She also went full trump 24/7 mid-campaign after MSNBC purged most of their...

progressive commentator line-up.

It's disturbing that there was no mention of all the colleagues that got ditched, just an immediate switch to the party line of all trump all the time.

With her credentials she certainly could've landed on her feet somewhere else.

[still_one]

28. I didn't realize that, but the reason for that I think is ratings. You stir people up, just enough

with a few outrageous guests, and viewers will watch.

Of course MSNBC wasn't the only outlet doing that, CNN was right there also

[eShirl]

9. Don't be too surprised.

I guess people forget how in the early days of her show, "Uncle Pat" Buchanan was one of her favorite guests.

[emulatorloo]

18. Her body language showed how much she despised Buchanan.

She confronted him one night on his despicable 1992 "culture wars" speech. She talked about how it really affected her negatively as she was growing up.

So your statement isn't correct.

[still_one]

29. excellent point eShirl. Forgot about Buchanan

[hlthe2b]

10. I had a very staunch RWer do me a big favor several years ago--he didn't have to at all.

If he had keeled over and died, you bet I'd relate that very favorable story, if asked, at his memorial.

That doesn't mean I would ever condone nor cease to detest his political views or other actions.

[oberliner]

11. He pretty much created her

She basically owes her career to him.

[quickesst]

12. I suppose.....

...... I should hate on Willie Nelson because he's good friends with......... Toby Keith.

[Botany]

13. The world is complex

Rachel shows who she is 5 nights a week and you want to be
upset over one comment?

[JTFrog]

14. Lol, hating on Rachel is so two weeks ago....

A little late for that now.

[BumRushDaShow]

15. Tweety admitted his Ailes friendship last week

Article about that from almost 6 years ago - http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/chris-matthews-on-his-friendship-with-roger-ailes-and-whether-he-would-work-at-fox-news/97132

"

But when it comes to longevity, it's Matthews who is MSNBC's mainstay. He's been there for 17 since, since before it was called MSNBC. He started there when it was America's Talking and Roger Ailes was running it. Then Ailes left to start Fox News. "I'm a friend of Roger's," Matthews says. "I know all the attitudes people have about him, and I'll tell you, I'm loyal as hell to this guy because he brought me in." Still, he's turned down two offers to follow Ailes to Fox.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2011/11/02/the-one-question-you-should-never-ask-chris-matthews/#302cce014744

"

(of course we know Tweety has always been the weather vane vs Rachael)

[rusty fender]

23. I would have expected that from Tweety,

but not from Rachel, though.

[BumRushDaShow]

34. There was an article in the Washington Post

about them just over a month ago (before Ailes' demise) - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/13/odd-couple-rachel-maddow-and-roger-ailes-are-surprisingly-friendly/

It could be mutual ego-stroking thing - anyone and everyone going into television has to have a huge ego, IMHO.

[wishstar]

16. I have been wondering if Lawrence O'Donnell's criticisms of O'Reilly and Ailes worked against him

I don't watch O'Donnell much, but I have heard him being very critical of O'Reilly and Ailes, making me wonder if his lack of deference to the powerful good 'ol boys in cable media club was main reason he lost favor with heads of MSNBC putting his contract renewal in jeopardy.

[blogslut]

17. Gosh.

I guess I should stop watching her show. But I'm not going to stop watching her show. My life is so complicated.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. "Hypocrisy is the compliment vice pays to virtue."

[rusty fender]

20. I don't hate Rachel, but I do hate

the hypocrisy, the kissing up to scumbags that allows them to get away with sexual harassment for 30 years. I cannot divorce Ailes from his actions. I believe that no one would have praised Ailes if he had been accused of rape.

Could you imagine Rachel saying that Ailes was a media genius, a mentor, with few exceptions, if he had been accused of rape? I think she would have kept quiet then, but sexual harassment? Still not bad enough to denounce him.

I wouldn't have gotten within ten feet of the man even if the only thing I knew was that he created Fox News.

[uponit7771]

24. ITS A FLAW IN THE WHOLE MEDIA CARTEL !!! They "RESPECT" each other too much to police each other ...

... and speak truth to each other.

[JCanete]

25. agreed. It is huge. And these big ass corporations don't want it any other way.

They certainly aren't going to advocate that their journalists go out and do a hit piece on disney or GE or Comcast, or their CEOs, etc. or foster any adversarial spirit, since doing so might cause blowback to themselves. They certainly don't want serious reporting on any of their own lobby interests, from net neutrality to monopolization, etc.

For-profit media, either owned by companies with "bigger" interests than delivering the news, or supported via advertising by said companies, is a mockery of the 4th estate, and even great liberal voices like Maddow are in my opinion, less great today, because of their coziness within that incestuous world.

But then, if she weren't so cozy she wouldn't last very long at MSNBC or anywhere, and whether or not she would have a voice that reached people at this scale or close as an independent pundit would be a roll of the dice.

[Mike Nelson]

31. I think she gives him...

...too much credit. Ailes did not "invent" the genre... he bastardized it... propaganda, sex, fear and hate... and he especially used female employees for sex appeal more than skill... both on and off camera. She's smart enough to know the score.

[tirebiter]

32. It sometimes amazes me that retired Giants

get hired by the Dodgers. Or are we talking about cooties or something?

[LovingA2andMI]

33. Interesting....

Very....