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MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
Mon May 22, 2017, 09:28 AM May 2017

Watch for Trump to Faint at Some Point This Week

Trump's not doing well on this extended international trip. He got seriously exhausted in Saudi Arabia and had to cancel at least one event. He's 70 years old. I'm 71, and probably like Trump, take a couple of blood pressure medications, including a beta blocker. I can do everything I used to do, but not for as long and not with as much energy.

But, I'm not obese, I eat well, stay hydrated, and I'm physically active throughout the day. Still, between jet lag, not enough sleep, crappy food and plenty of pressure to perform, Trump is seriously not bearing up well so far. Worse he's not in complete control of what he may have to do from time to time.

One of the most difficult age-related and medication related things for me is standing still in one place for long periods of time. What Trump is facing this week is a lot of doing just that. When I do that, it's not uncommon for me to feel faint, due to blood pooling in my lower body. The beta blocker slows the heart rate and keeps blood pressure lower. The combination produces predictable results. I've learned that at the first sign of light-headedness to stop just standing there and move around to get the blood circulating better, or sit down for a few minutes. That works, but may be impractical for Trump on a number of occasions.

So, keep an eye on the old guy. Watch for him to get a little pale looking, a little wobbly, and a little more clumsy with words. When you see that, start counting, because he's close to going down. Giving a speech, standing in a photo op line with other world leaders, and other situations are hazardous for him on this trip.

I'm betting he drops at some point during the trip. He'll recover, but will need to leave and rest for a while. I put the probability of this happening at about 75% this week. Watch. He doesn't have the STAMINA for this trip.

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Watch for Trump to Faint at Some Point This Week (Original Post) MineralMan May 2017 OP
my prayer is that he drops quickly demtenjeep May 2017 #1
Many people are saying it's a widely shared hope dalton99a May 2017 #6
I've heard the same from "many people".... Heartstrings May 2017 #26
And rid the WH AND OUR government of the rest of the tRump trash. No more taxpayer funded money SammyWinstonJack May 2017 #19
plus, his heavy breathing is evident in all his speeches Motley13 May 2017 #2
Yes. That actually could be a symptom of MineralMan May 2017 #5
He really isn't up to all this. It's in the way he dangles him hands like they are limp when he's luvMIdog May 2017 #3
Yes. I suspect he looks pretty pale and wan MineralMan May 2017 #10
yes it is says the woman with poor circulation :P luvMIdog May 2017 #13
Is he dead yet? MFM008 May 2017 #4
what event did burnbaby May 2017 #7
He cancelled a scheduled second appearance MineralMan May 2017 #8
geez and for the first time burnbaby May 2017 #12
Nope. Not doing well at all. MineralMan May 2017 #14
I wonder if Toby Keith's all-male Riyadh gig playlist included Tanuki May 2017 #9
I have no idea. MineralMan May 2017 #11
Lmao...well played!! Docreed2003 May 2017 #30
It's best to wait for a diagnosis from the medical experts who examined Hillary on TV dalton99a May 2017 #15
Does that mean we can all baselessly speculate he has Parkinson's if he does? Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #16
Uh, no. MineralMan May 2017 #17
Of course not. Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #18
Especially about that staying hydrated bit - diet coke doesn't count! woodsprite May 2017 #20
A lot of people who spend a lot of time in public, MineralMan May 2017 #21
I have a friend who is an ER nurse. Apparently Oct-Nov are kidney stone woodsprite May 2017 #22
No kidney stones for me, at 71. MineralMan May 2017 #23
I'll be 77 in July and must admit I drink a lot of green tea. I realize this is not the same as monmouth4 May 2017 #24
I don't know, really. I suspect that green tea is fine. MineralMan May 2017 #25
I do love the taste of it but think I will throw in some water for the balance..LOL.. monmouth4 May 2017 #29
Cranberry juice is touted for 'ural' health. I got cranberry caps sprinkleeninow May 2017 #31
People who don't drink enough water are also susceptible to kidney stones, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #27
I wouldn't wish a kidney stone on ALMOST anyone. MineralMan May 2017 #28
''ALMOST anyone.'' sprinkleeninow May 2017 #32
I remember Nixon coming down with phlebitis and pneumonia while his... maveric May 2017 #33
Thanks MM for info! He already cancelled some activities/engagements in that trip. Madam45for2923 May 2017 #34
He might fake faint. He wants to go home. louis-t May 2017 #35
Oh, and his excuse will be the heat. louis-t May 2017 #36
Have they gone to the bdamomma May 2017 #37

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
19. And rid the WH AND OUR government of the rest of the tRump trash. No more taxpayer funded money
Mon May 22, 2017, 10:19 AM
May 2017

making deals for them.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
5. Yes. That actually could be a symptom of
Mon May 22, 2017, 09:35 AM
May 2017

a bit of congestive heart failure. And that's not helped by the blood pressure meds he's almost certainly taking. It's likely to all add up to a fainting spell during this trip. He can't control what he's doing and is likely to find himself in a situation that leads to poor circulation. He may also not properly hydrate himself. That's very likely, too, and can contribute to the problem.

luvMIdog

(2,533 posts)
3. He really isn't up to all this. It's in the way he dangles him hands like they are limp when he's
Mon May 22, 2017, 09:33 AM
May 2017

standing. His posture. Lots of things. I think that spray on tan is hiding a very poor coloring he doesn't want the world to know about because it ages him.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
10. Yes. I suspect he looks pretty pale and wan
Mon May 22, 2017, 09:42 AM
May 2017

without his spray-tan. Another sign of poor circulation.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
8. He cancelled a scheduled second appearance
Mon May 22, 2017, 09:41 AM
May 2017

after his speech in S.A. His limo and coterie were on their way to it, when they suddenly changed their route and returned to his hotel. Ivanka filled in for him at that appearance. He clearly wasn't coping well with the jet lag and efforts at the first appearance, and appeared to get short of breath during his speech.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
14. Nope. Not doing well at all.
Mon May 22, 2017, 09:45 AM
May 2017

He may recover from the jet lag somewhat, but the underlying poor health is going to show up as the week goes on. He's going to be a busy guy for the next few days, with little chance for long rest periods. He also won't be eating well, and probably won't maintain good hydration, either.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
11. I have no idea.
Mon May 22, 2017, 09:43 AM
May 2017

I'm not a Toby Keith fan, in the first place, and I have paid no attention to that men-only concert gig.

dalton99a

(81,440 posts)
15. It's best to wait for a diagnosis from the medical experts who examined Hillary on TV
Mon May 22, 2017, 09:47 AM
May 2017

I thought they did a pretty good job

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
16. Does that mean we can all baselessly speculate he has Parkinson's if he does?
Mon May 22, 2017, 09:57 AM
May 2017

I mean, if it's good for the goose....

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,172 posts)
18. Of course not.
Mon May 22, 2017, 10:01 AM
May 2017

Neither did Hillary, of course.

For the record, I would personally not stoop to that level. But that shouldn't stop us from pointing out that they did.

woodsprite

(11,910 posts)
20. Especially about that staying hydrated bit - diet coke doesn't count!
Mon May 22, 2017, 10:38 AM
May 2017

I can't imagine he's a big water drinker.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
21. A lot of people who spend a lot of time in public,
Mon May 22, 2017, 10:44 AM
May 2017

like politicians, deliberately avoid drinking too much, to avoid the need to leave and visit the toilet. They are trying to maximize their public time, and don't want to leave a situation, especially at a crucial moment.

So, they're more likely to become dehydrated and have problems with that. Worse, the high levels of pressure and stress tend to increase heart rate, etc. One of the most prominent side effects of beta blockers is a lowering of the pulse rate and a tendency to lower blood pressure more than is wanted. That is affected by the hydration issue and stress, as well.

I'm sure Trump is on a beta blocker, and I'm equally sure that he tries to avoid trips to the toilet during meetings and the like. So...that adds to his risk of a fainting spell in public.

woodsprite

(11,910 posts)
22. I have a friend who is an ER nurse. Apparently Oct-Nov are kidney stone
Mon May 22, 2017, 10:49 AM
May 2017

peak months in the ER. She said that's just about the time that not drinking enough during the summer months catches up to people. I know that I've had 3 kidney stones over the years, and hubby has had 1 - both happened in late November. Not that I would ever wish that on someone - even Trump. It is pure hell, and I'm sitting here right now with a 7mm stone that I believe might be on the move (been getting twinges lately).

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
23. No kidney stones for me, at 71.
Mon May 22, 2017, 10:54 AM
May 2017

I probably drink too much fluid during the day. But, I'd rather do that than get a kidney stone.

I had one fainting occurrence a few years ago, by the way. I had driven for eleven hours to make a trip to a mineral show in Tucson with only one day's driving. So, I was trying to avoid stops along the way. I did not stay hydrated well enough, and skipped a meal during that time. So, I got to my hotel and went to the hotel's restaurant and bar. I ordered an adult beverage. I didn't think about being dehydrated and the effect alcohol might have on me. I woke up on the floor with a couple of paramedics beside me. I was fine, and explained what had happened, which they understood and didn't insist that I get checked out. I had a couple of big glasses of orange juice and a burger and was fine.

Dehydration will do you, if you're not paying attention.

monmouth4

(9,694 posts)
24. I'll be 77 in July and must admit I drink a lot of green tea. I realize this is not the same as
Mon May 22, 2017, 12:48 PM
May 2017

water and will most definitely make a correction on this. Did not realize it had to be water and am deadly afraid of ever getting a kidney stone. My ex-husband had a couple and said it was the worse pain he had ever suffered. Thank you MM..

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
25. I don't know, really. I suspect that green tea is fine.
Mon May 22, 2017, 12:56 PM
May 2017

It is a mild diuretic, but keeping things flowing in that area does help keep the stones away. I'm not sure that green tea isn't a good thing, but I don't know for sure.

sprinkleeninow

(20,235 posts)
31. Cranberry juice is touted for 'ural' health. I got cranberry caps
Mon May 22, 2017, 01:36 PM
May 2017

alternating with drinking juice. You can water down the juice if it's too 'cranberry-ish' by adding some sparkling h2o. Nevertheless, WATER is thee best hydration. I heard tho, purified h2o is better than spring h2o which contains various minerals no doubt that can build up and create urinary probs like stones.
Ya cain't winnn!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,666 posts)
27. People who don't drink enough water are also susceptible to kidney stones,
Mon May 22, 2017, 01:01 PM
May 2017

a very unpleasant and debilitating affliction.

maveric

(16,445 posts)
33. I remember Nixon coming down with phlebitis and pneumonia while his...
Mon May 22, 2017, 02:01 PM
May 2017

Clock was ticking down.
He's done!

louis-t

(23,288 posts)
35. He might fake faint. He wants to go home.
Mon May 22, 2017, 02:35 PM
May 2017

Where he can charge the government for housing, feeding, and providing golf carts to SS agents and his family.

louis-t

(23,288 posts)
36. Oh, and his excuse will be the heat.
Mon May 22, 2017, 02:36 PM
May 2017

The guy who lives in Florida. And his followers will all nod in agreement.

bdamomma

(63,836 posts)
37. Have they gone to the
Mon May 22, 2017, 02:39 PM
May 2017

Vatican yet??? Maybe something we have all been praying for will happen when he sees the Pontiff.

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