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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Mon May 22, 2017, 10:47 AM May 2017

Michael Flynn to take the Fifth Amendment and decline Senate subpoena

Michael Flynn to take the Fifth Amendment and decline Senate subpoena
By Matthew Mosk Meghan Keneally May 22, 2017, 10:31 AM ET

Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn will invoke the Fifth Amendment and refuse to honor a Senate committee's subpoena request for documents relating to Russian interference in the election, a source close to Flynn confirms to ABC News.

The Fifth Amendment gives an individual the right to protect against self-incrimination.

"He will not be producing the documents they sought. He is entitled to decline pursuant to the Fifth Amendment," a source close to Flynn tells ABC News.

To date, Flynn is the only Trump associate whom the Senate has subpoenaed.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-flynn-amendment-decline-senate-subpoena/story?id=47560095

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Michael Flynn to take the Fifth Amendment and decline Senate subpoena (Original Post) workinclasszero May 2017 OP
LOCK HIM UP! SoCalNative May 2017 #1
Better yet cut a deal with him for immunity workinclasszero May 2017 #9
That's what he wants. Unfortunatly for him, Ollie North's actions slammed that door shut. haele May 2017 #23
He must of got the message chump will protect him and give him a pardon kimbutgar May 2017 #2
Hopefully there are recordings of that conversation. emulatorloo May 2017 #6
Most certaintly kimbutgar May 2017 #14
He sent the message in code: "Stay strong." nt tblue37 May 2017 #15
Well that'll fool the FBI, won't it? emulatorloo May 2017 #18
Up! No cover up HERE! imanamerican63 May 2017 #3
But I thought he was innocent? emulatorloo May 2017 #4
Unbelievable. Simply staggering. WinkyDink May 2017 #5
Like a never-ending nightmare. Cracklin Charlie May 2017 #8
Some patriot, huh? WinkyDink May 2017 #24
Lock him Up malaise May 2017 #7
Not surprising Lotusflower70 May 2017 #10
during the clinton burnbaby May 2017 #12
Hillary never took 5th, Rice agreed to testify privately but not publicly last week wishstar May 2017 #16
The tech aide did defy a subpoena. former9thward May 2017 #32
Holding out for immunity. MineralMan May 2017 #11
Spot on analysis. I think they already have everything they need on Flynn. emulatorloo May 2017 #19
I expect it won't be long until his lawyers DeminPennswoods May 2017 #21
Yes, agreed. emulatorloo May 2017 #22
Wasn't he still in uniform for part of the time DeminPennswoods May 2017 #29
Is that how it works? blogslut May 2017 #13
He'll probably have to appear then invoke his 5th DeminPennswoods May 2017 #20
Probably to protect himself from Turbineguy May 2017 #17
He can't decline a subpoena. He can't invoke fifth amendment over documents. KWR65 May 2017 #25
I was wondering about that underpants May 2017 #26
"He can't invoke fifth amendment over documents" - sure he can, and it may stick if.... PoliticAverse May 2017 #28
There, damn it all, that'll show them I'm innocent! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #27
These people in office sure like to use the word "entitled" where they are concerned. Lyricalinklines May 2017 #30
and Cheeto is telling him to "stay strong" coeur_de_lion May 2017 #31
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
9. Better yet cut a deal with him for immunity
Mon May 22, 2017, 11:00 AM
May 2017

if he spills the beans on Trump's treason with Putin to subvert the presidential election.

Flynn was just a useful stooge probably, lets get the crime boss Trump!

haele

(12,647 posts)
23. That's what he wants. Unfortunatly for him, Ollie North's actions slammed that door shut.
Mon May 22, 2017, 01:36 PM
May 2017

The GOP f**ked it's future options, just as it has always done since Nixon. "Scooter" Libby bore the brunt of it, also.

The disgraceful debacle that was Iran-Contra changed a lot of policy rules with dealing with granting immunity with investigation of Administration actions. Because of loopholes then, Ollie North avoided being stripped of all rank and benefits and sent to jail. So now, no immunity.
And frankly, for this sort of act, there shouldn't be.
Flynn's a hypocritical, stupid, greedy man who used his position to enrich himself, pretending he was above the law and causing death and pain to innocent people. Just like "Lt. Col. Oliver North, Reagan's great Marine Hero".

Haele

kimbutgar

(21,130 posts)
14. Most certaintly
Mon May 22, 2017, 11:44 AM
May 2017

I seem to remember traitor Flynn asked for immunity but the FBI has the goods on him. Couldn't happen to a better group of cretins.

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
10. Not surprising
Mon May 22, 2017, 11:05 AM
May 2017

He asked for immunity so early so he must know things. I didn't think you could just decline a supoena, that would put him in contempt.

 

burnbaby

(685 posts)
12. during the clinton
Mon May 22, 2017, 11:10 AM
May 2017

email thing the tech guy denied a subpoena? I'm not sure if anything happened to him. Didn't Rice refuse to testify? Seems everyone takes the 5th.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
16. Hillary never took 5th, Rice agreed to testify privately but not publicly last week
Mon May 22, 2017, 11:48 AM
May 2017

Hillary fully cooperated and never took 5th, Rice agreed to fully cooperate except she declined to participate in that last public Senate hearing (no subpoena involved) which was smart of her since the Repub Senators would have distracted and wasted time bringing up Benghazi instead of focusing on Russian investigation.

FBI had enough info to complete the Hillary email investigation, so Congress never pursued anything further with her IT aide who pled 5th.

Flynn has nothing to gain by complying with Congressional or Senate investigations and Mueller probably wants FBI to take over Flynn investigation anyway due to criminal aspects.

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
32. The tech aide did defy a subpoena.
Mon May 22, 2017, 07:53 PM
May 2017

Last fall Clinton aide Bryan Pagliano defied two subpoenas and nothing happened. Last summer the NY AG and MA AG defied Congressional subpoenas about a climate change investigation and nothing happened.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
11. Holding out for immunity.
Mon May 22, 2017, 11:10 AM
May 2017

He'd already have that immunity if there weren't others who have more information that will be more valuable, if shared.

The DOJ and Congress are not going to hand out immunity deals to every Mike, Steve and Jared. Instead, they are going to try to find one or two people who can do the most damage before giving immunity.

Flynn may just not be the person they are looking for.

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
19. Spot on analysis. I think they already have everything they need on Flynn.
Mon May 22, 2017, 01:13 PM
May 2017

I expect what they have shows how deeply he is in Putin's pockets. And any testimony he might give now will be dishonest obfuscation.

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
21. I expect it won't be long until his lawyers
Mon May 22, 2017, 01:24 PM
May 2017

make a proffer to DoJ attorneys to tell what he knows. I think Flynn could be looking a treason charge if the FBI thinks it can establish he was spying for Russia.

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
29. Wasn't he still in uniform for part of the time
Mon May 22, 2017, 02:34 PM
May 2017

he was doing this stuff? If so, he could also be prosecuted under UCMJ.

blogslut

(37,999 posts)
13. Is that how it works?
Mon May 22, 2017, 11:15 AM
May 2017

I thought one had to actually come to court to plead the fifth.

And lawyers want to elaborate?

KWR65

(1,098 posts)
25. He can't decline a subpoena. He can't invoke fifth amendment over documents.
Mon May 22, 2017, 01:46 PM
May 2017

He must appear at the hearing and then he can invoke his right to remain silent. But any subpoena for materials or papers can not be protected by the Fifth Amendment. If he fails to produce the documents he can be found in contempt of Congress and jailed until he turns over the documents.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
28. "He can't invoke fifth amendment over documents" - sure he can, and it may stick if....
Mon May 22, 2017, 02:30 PM
May 2017

a court finds "that the act of production communicates statements of fact,"

See United States v Hubbell...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Hubbell


On the other hand, we have also made it clear that the act of producing documents in response to a subpoena may have a compelled testimonial aspect. We have held that “the act of production” itself may implicitly communicate “statements of fact.” By “producing documents in compliance with a subpoena, the witness would admit that the papers existed, were in his possession or control, and were authentic.”19 Moreover, as was true in this case, when the custodian of documents responds to a subpoena, he may be compelled to take the witness stand and answer questions designed to determine whether he has produced everything demanded by the subpoena.20 The answers to those questions, as well as the act of production itself, may certainly communicate information about the existence, custody, and authenticity of the documents. Whether the constitutional privilege protects the answers to such questions, or protects the act of production itself, is a question that is distinct from the question whether the unprotected contents of the documents themselves are incriminating.

Lyricalinklines

(367 posts)
30. These people in office sure like to use the word "entitled" where they are concerned.
Mon May 22, 2017, 02:59 PM
May 2017

But anyone else thinking about it will be eliminated. Quickly.

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