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BREAKING****House Dems: FLYNN LIED TO SECURITY CLEARANCE INVESTIGATORS re: FOREIGN MONEY**** (Original Post) geek tragedy May 2017 OP
LOCK HIM UP MFM008 May 2017 #1
Could Trump politically survive self serving exboyfil May 2017 #7
Seriously, why the ALL CAPS? TheDebbieDee May 2017 #2
we certainly suspected it. geek tragedy May 2017 #3
There's a document proving this malaise May 2017 #4
Lock him up. sheshe2 May 2017 #5
K&R MelissaB May 2017 #6
AP link as well MelissaB May 2017 #8
Trump and Flynn were working together for how long? Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #9
What do you mean? He doesn't even know him. MelissaB May 2017 #11
LOL wait, you are right, what was I THINKING Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #12
Felony!!! NightWatcher May 2017 #10
Nail his ass for it Lee-Lee May 2017 #13
They will have to have separate charges Phoenix61 May 2017 #15
Double Jeaporsy doesn't apply in to charges in civilian court and the UCMJ Lee-Lee May 2017 #19
18 U S code section 1001 DDySiegs May 2017 #14
+1000, thanks for the code! MSNBC was just talking about this being the same R B Garr May 2017 #17
I'm shocked. SHOCKED. WinkyDink May 2017 #16
Oh come now, what's the big deal? rpannier May 2017 #18

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
7. Could Trump politically survive self serving
Mon May 22, 2017, 05:15 PM
May 2017

pardons for anyone who could testify against him? In today's political climate he might be able to pull it off.

The other side of pardon is that you can no longer refuse to testify to Congress. You can still be in jeopardy of perjury (that is until the President issues another pardon).

Perhaps Trump could give an indulgence for all past and future sins ala the Catholic church in the Middle Ages. I still think Ford's pardon of Nixon was B.S. Pardon should only apply after you have been convicted of a crime. Since it can apply to any crime based on the decision for Ford - why not future crimes as well.

malaise

(268,676 posts)
4. There's a document proving this
Mon May 22, 2017, 05:13 PM
May 2017

It's a major headline - looks like bogus companies were the sources of money from Russia.
I'm hoping they are some of those myriad Con shells.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
9. Trump and Flynn were working together for how long?
Mon May 22, 2017, 05:16 PM
May 2017

Flynn is a girl scout compared to Trump when it comes to these ties.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
12. LOL wait, you are right, what was I THINKING
Mon May 22, 2017, 05:21 PM
May 2017


Wanna know something that is NOT funny, if you are on disability because you cant work, Trump is making it a requirement to work

he is an enemy of the human race
 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
13. Nail his ass for it
Mon May 22, 2017, 05:23 PM
May 2017

As a retired Servicemember receiving retired pay he is still subject to the UCMJ as well as civilian law- nail him in both jurisdictions!

Phoenix61

(16,992 posts)
15. They will have to have separate charges
Mon May 22, 2017, 06:24 PM
May 2017

He can't be tried in a civilian court and a military court for the same thing as double jeopardy applies. I believe they could pull his retirement pay if he is convicted in a civilian court.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
19. Double Jeaporsy doesn't apply in to charges in civilian court and the UCMJ
Tue May 23, 2017, 06:35 AM
May 2017

The actual charges would be violations of different laws resulting from the same acts anyway, however it has long been held that. Person can be charged in both systems.

DUI is a classic example, the military will allow civilian courts to work their way through and then also charge the individual under the UCMJ. There have been cases up to abdnincluding murder where a person was tried in a civilian court and then the military stepped in and also charged under the UCMJ.

DDySiegs

(253 posts)
14. 18 U S code section 1001
Mon May 22, 2017, 05:35 PM
May 2017

Lying to a government agency is a crime punishable by up to 5 years in prison under the above referenced Federal statute. This is the same statute under which Martha Stewart went to jail. Scooter Libby was convicted under this statute (subsequently his sentence was commuted by George W). The point is that this a serious problem for Flynn, quite apart from all the other charges he may face.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
17. +1000, thanks for the code! MSNBC was just talking about this being the same
Mon May 22, 2017, 06:37 PM
May 2017

statute affecting Martha Stewart. What she did was nothing compared to Flynn's traitorous lies.

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
18. Oh come now, what's the big deal?
Mon May 22, 2017, 08:02 PM
May 2017

Who among us has not lied to get a high level security clearance? (Waiting for this to become a reich wing talking point)

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