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NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:11 PM Jul 2012

California Senate Approves: High Speed Rail Project to Move Forward!

All Aboard!!! Next Stop, Governor Brown!

California OKs funding for high-speed rail line

JUDY LIN | July 6, 2012 07:01 PM EST | AP

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — California lawmakers have approved billions of dollars in construction financing for the first segment of what would be the nation's first dedicated high-speed rail line, eventually connecting Los Angeles and San Francisco.

The state Senate voted 21-16 on a party-line vote Friday after intense lobbying by Gov. Jerry Brown, Democratic leaders and labor groups.

The bill authorizes the state to begin selling $2.6 billion in voter-approved bonds to build an initial 130-miles stretch in the Central Valley. That would allow the state to collect about $3.2 billion in federal funding that could have been rescinded if lawmakers failed to act Friday.

Critics call the bullet train a boondoggle, but supporters hailed the vote as the start of a much-needed infrastructure project. The bill also includes about $1.9 billion in funds for local rail projects.


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California Senate Approves: High Speed Rail Project to Move Forward! (Original Post) NYC_SKP Jul 2012 OP
" California was able to secure more federal aid than expected after Florida, Ohio and Wisconsin... villager Jul 2012 #1
Idiots!!! Any other states want to turn down transportation funding??? NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #3
Now we can sing going both ways flamingdem Jul 2012 #8
ABBA! Here's Lucy and Ricky and Fred and Ethyl: NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #16
More and Links: NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #2
Yes!! Control-Z Jul 2012 #4
And here come the jobs too! lunatica Jul 2012 #5
I have never seen so many tourists here in Coastal So Cal as I have this Summer and... Tikki Jul 2012 #6
UC Merced is having a party tonight! musiclawyer Jul 2012 #7
Greyhound: San Fernando > Merced = $41.40 cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #13
Great News !!! Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #9
How can CA afford that? Isn't it in huge debt, with some cities filing bankruptcy? nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #10
$16 billion deficit. Stockton and Mammoth Lakes in default... more about to fall. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #12
We need it now, we need the jobs, we need to modernize NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #14
Frisco is a small city in Texas. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2012 #20
It can't. The plan in no way makes economic sense. PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #15
I hope they saved a few bucks to fix the roads tularetom Jul 2012 #11
this is a bad joke that will haunt cali for the next 20 years.. IamK Jul 2012 #17
Are you casting asparagus on this history news? NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #25
that's barbtries Jul 2012 #18
It appears that even many liberals/progressives have trouble understanding sustainable transport. NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #19
This is just the starting installment. Let's see who buys these bonds... FarCenter Jul 2012 #21
It's a small step, but a very significant one. NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #22
Great news. California is a major tourist destination for domestic and international vacationers. denbot Jul 2012 #23
yay! HiPointDem Jul 2012 #24
This Californian is happy! OnionPatch Jul 2012 #26
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
1. " California was able to secure more federal aid than expected after Florida, Ohio and Wisconsin...
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:13 PM
Jul 2012

"...turned down money."

From the link I believe you supplied in the other thread!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120706/us-high-speed-rail/

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
3. Idiots!!! Any other states want to turn down transportation funding???
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:15 PM
Jul 2012

Cuz we're moving ahead!!!

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. More and Links:
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:14 PM
Jul 2012

Sorry, I just hate that red lettering when you edit a post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120706/us-high-speed-rail/

Also, only minutes before the Senate vote was in:

California high speed rail plan faces make-or-break vote

By Mary Slosson

SACRAMENTO, Calif., July 6 | Sat Jul 7, 2012 12:30am IST

(Reuters) - California's high speed rail project faces a fiercely contested financing vote in the state Senate on Friday that could determine its fate following years of controversy over the high cost of the plan, now pegged at $68 billion, and concerns about its management.

The project, expected to take decades to complete, has the backing of Democratic Governor Jerry Brown, who says a bullet train network will boost job creation and provide an alternative to car and plane travel in the country's most populous state.

Unions have also lobbied hard for what amounts to the most ambitious public works project to date in California, which has a 10.8 percent unemployment rate.

But Republicans oppose the plan, whose estimated costs have ballooned from an initial $45 billion to over $68 billion. They predict it will be a massive financial burden for the state.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/06/usa-california-highspeedrail-idINL2E8I68YY20120706




Control-Z

(15,686 posts)
4. Yes!!
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:18 PM
Jul 2012

This is wonderful!! I'll be joining you now in the bouncy dance - something I haven't done in a very long time.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
5. And here come the jobs too!
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:33 PM
Jul 2012

Railroads, trains, infrastructure, and train stations to mention a few. I hope they build the parts in this country too!

I'm definitely going to ride that train! It's been a dream of mine for years and years.

Thank you Governor Brown!

Tikki

(15,140 posts)
6. I have never seen so many tourists here in Coastal So Cal as I have this Summer and...
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:41 PM
Jul 2012

from everywhere. With the heating up of the midWest I am sure we will be having more visitors.

A great way to get around this State, already, is rail...AMTRAK...but as the High Speed Rail
moves into San Francisco it will be a breeze getting there.

Tikki

musiclawyer

(2,335 posts)
7. UC Merced is having a party tonight!
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 07:55 PM
Jul 2012

The first segment ( between the San Fernando Valley and Merced) will basically put LA college students from the coming generation in reach of this most new and underutilized UC. Fantastic news. Oh and I have a friend who lives in Merced. It's the nicest, most well run larger town in the central valley. Her house just went up 15K in value in a matter of seconds.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
13. Greyhound: San Fernando > Merced = $41.40
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:01 PM
Jul 2012

It's basically ALWAYS been in reach of LA college students.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
12. $16 billion deficit. Stockton and Mammoth Lakes in default... more about to fall.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 08:47 PM
Jul 2012

Last edited Sat Jul 7, 2012, 12:53 AM - Edit history (1)

And 6 people a day who want to go back and forth from Los Angeles to San Francisco...

Bold move, Jerry. Bold move.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
14. We need it now, we need the jobs, we need to modernize
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:06 PM
Jul 2012

and get the hell out of automobiles and join the modern world (and the east coast with their smarter public transportation systems).

eom

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
11. I hope they saved a few bucks to fix the roads
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 08:40 PM
Jul 2012

It's not a matter of whether we could afford HSR or not. We can't afford NOT to build it. But it won't do anybody any good if you can't drive to the station because the roads and bridges are falling apart.

Several counties in this state are seriously debating whether or not to turn their county roads back to gravel because they can no longer afford to maintain them. In parts of the state that won't be served by HSR of course.

We have a huge problem of crumbling infrastructure and unmet transportation needs and high speed rail is an important part of meeting those needs. In our eagerness to get this project started I hope we don't ignore the less sexy projects that many of our citizens rely on for their daily needs.

barbtries

(31,308 posts)
18. that's
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:46 PM
Jul 2012

great news. it'll be good going back home, i hope i'll get to before it's all over.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
19. It appears that even many liberals/progressives have trouble understanding sustainable transport.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 09:49 PM
Jul 2012

For people who've lived on the East Coast and/or visited countries where rail service is more common and widespread, this is a no-brainer.

But I can see from many replies here that we are, many of us, wedded to rubber wheels, buses, cars, highways.

The Oil Men and Rubber Barons did their job well.

Had they started earlier, there wouldn't have been a New York Subway or DC Metro.

Shame on us!

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
21. This is just the starting installment. Let's see who buys these bonds...
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:03 PM
Jul 2012
The bill authorizes the state to begin selling $4.5 billion in voter-approved bonds that includes $2.6 billion to build an initial 130-mile stretch of the high-speed rail line in the Central Valley. That will allow the state to collect another $3.2 billion in federal funding that could have been rescinded if lawmakers failed to act Friday.


http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/07/06/california-lawmakers-ok-funding-for-high-speed-rail-line/
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
22. It's a small step, but a very significant one.
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 11:15 PM
Jul 2012

California is trapped by it's own backwardness and ignorance with sustainable planning, we're addicted to oil and use more energy for transportation than for all other uses combined.

The US as a whole uses far more energy for electricity production than for transport, but not California.

It's time we move forward.

I thank Darrell Steinberg for his leadership in the Senate, and especially with projects related to energy and to education.

denbot

(9,950 posts)
23. Great news. California is a major tourist destination for domestic and international vacationers.
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 12:14 AM
Jul 2012

Tourist travel spending was 102 BILLION in 2011. The boondoggle mime is a teabagger talking point. Better infrastructure equals more visitors, equals greater revenues, for both private and public sectors.

Here is a cut and paste from the California Tourism Industry Website;
http://industry.visitcalifornia.com/Research/California-Statistics-and-Trends/

>>>>
DOMESTIC TRAVEL TO CALIFORNIA

California was the destination for 199 million domestic person-trips in 2010. A person-trip is defined as a visitor trip made to a specific location and does not tally multiple stops within the specified location on a single trip. Whereas in previous years, Visit California has reported domestic travel in person-stays, which is defined as a visitor trip made to a specific locale within the state, thus allowing a single person to be counted multiple times on a single trip.


73% of California's domestic leisure visitors in 2010 were residents of California. Top states for in-bound leisure travel were Arizona (3.6%), Nevada (2.9%), Texas (2.0%), Oregon (1.6%), Washington (1.6%) and New York (1.5%).

Full report: 2010 Domestic Travel to California, Source: TNS TravelsAmerica, 2010

Full year-end reports on travel to and within California by California residents and out-of-state residents. Includes visitor volumes (for years 2004-2009), trip characteristics, visitor origins and demographics. These reports have been compiled by D.K. Shifflet & Associates Ltd.

Prior Years:

2009 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL TO CALIFORNIA

13.6 million international visitors traveled to California in 2010. Approximately 5.7 million were from overseas origins, 6.6 million were from Mexico and 1.4 million were from Canada.


California's top overseas markets in 2010 were the United Kingdom (682,000), Japan (545,000), Australia (502,000), China (401,000) South Korea (390,000), Germany (388,000), France (383,000), and India (184,000).

Full report: Overseas and Mexican Visitors to California, 2010 (Full Report ) by CIC Research Inc., October 2011.

Full year-end reports detailing visitor profiles and trip characteristics of travel to California from top overseas markets and for Mexican air travelers.
>>>>

OnionPatch

(6,328 posts)
26. This Californian is happy!
Sat Jul 7, 2012, 02:37 PM
Jul 2012

I can't wait until I can ride the bullet train to San Francisco. This is a great investment in our state.

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