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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMensch has been pushing her "loony" theories about DT and Russia for more than a YEAR.
While our MSM was mostly taking a nap, enjoying the high ratings from DT's loudmouth campaign rallies, Louise Mensch was doing her best to warn us.
And this 9/28/16 piece is the kind of reaction she was getting from DT-world:
(CRAZY RIGHTWING SITE -- I got a message that looked like a phishing thing so I've deleted the link.)
Heat Streets Loony Louise Mensch Spreads Fake Russia Graphic to Smear Donald Trump
Louise Mensch is either insane or shes extremely stupid.
I suppose she could be both, now that I think about it. Regardless, something is seriously wrong with this woman. Shes been fixated on Donald Trump for months, which in and of itself isnt that big of a deal. A large portion of the country has been avidly following The Donalds candidacy, after all. But shes taken her obsession to the extreme. During the primaries, she was one of the idiots who kept saying Trump would self-destruct over and over again. When he proved the airheaded tart wrong, she went and endorsed Hillary Clinton. Yes, the chief of a supposedly anti-SJW, anti-PC website is backing Hillary fucking Clinton for President of the United States. Let that roll around in your mind for a minute before we move on.
Loony Louise didnt stop there. She went from a detractor of Donald to full-blown conspiracy theorist nutcase. Actually, thats a major insult to conspiracy theorists, who oftentimes at least base some of their conclusions on, ya know, reality. Louise has no such problem, though. Shes particularly obsessed with the idea that Trump is some kind of Manchurian Candidate, secretly controlled behind the scenes by Vladimir Putin.
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And here were some of her crazy tweets.
March 6, 2016: After Donald Trumps disaster last night he asks for a pledge of personal loyalty. Not a good look. #NeverTrump
March 6, 2016: Because hes a liar, a racist, a misogynist, a fraud, and a moron, and an ally of both Russia and ISIS. #NeverTrump
April 6, 2016: Make Russia Great Again. No wonder @RealDonaldTrump wants Isis to deal with Assad then delegate it to Russia.
June 5, 2016: You are a racist piece of shit and in Russias pocket. I do hope this helps. @RealDonaldTrump #NeverTrump
July 26, 2016: If anybody in the Trump campaign has links to Russia, the FBI must be all over them. #NeverTrump
Me.
(35,454 posts)But not a word about Taylor. Methinks there is way too much protesting going on here.
emulatorloo
(44,112 posts)I'm sorta joking about why Taylor isn't targeted but maybe not entirely.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)...listening to.
I've NEVER found this bit of sage advice to be wrong. The first time it tumbles out of someone's mouth as a pejorative, I immediately chalk them over to the 'drools on keyboard' column.
OTOH, that of course doesn't in any way mean that most of the theorized conspiracies are correct (or entirely correct, as the case usually is); it simply means that using such a label to try to silence someone is tantamount to wearing your pants on your head.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)conspiracy?
Do you know what "conspiracy" entails?
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/conspiracy
Two words: Julius. Caesar. That was a "theory," too.
Demit
(11,238 posts)pnwmom
(108,974 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Demit
(11,238 posts)PufPuf23
(8,764 posts)in itself.
I find Mensch a rather obvious tool (conduit from) the intelligence community.
So my gut tells me there is some agenda going down. What I do not know.
Mensch was posting about Trump when no one took Trump seriously as a candidate.
Trump also got way more face time than opposing GOP candidates from the MSM during the primaries and heading into the election.
Without the focus on Trump by the MSM Trump likely would have experienced little success in the campaign for POTUS.
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)as a candidate.
Yet you admit he got WAY more face time. She was reacting with horror -- as many of us were -- as he got more and more face time.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)american_ideals
(613 posts)It seems likely UK intelligence (GHCQ mostly) knew a lot about DJT a long time ago.
My wild guess, and it's just a guess -- UK intelligence is using Mensch as a conduit to expose some of what they know.
That's good.
For now, I think the interests of the UK align with the interests of patriotic Americans. In fact, it's really pretty rare that the interests of the UK, Canada, New Zealand and Australia diverge much from the interests of American citizens. Sometimes GOP donor interests diverge from those countries, but I'd rather be on the side of the UK than the Koch brothers, Mercer, Adelson and ultimately Putin.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)We're not at war with Russia, and having dinner with the president is not a crime. The same goes for Turkey. It's not illegal to take money from them, either. Now, not reporting such payments when required to becomes problematic, and that's what apparently got Flynn fired, but just doing business with Russia is not going to topple the US government, or the presidency, because that is its function. So claiming that the Marshal of the Supreme Court is out delivering FISA warrants for treason comes across as RW lunacy.
Just my .02!
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)what happened in Russia after the break up of the Soviet Union.
They are still our adversary, but for different reasons. The government is an authoritarian kleptocracy, run by the billionaire oligarchs who are working with Putin.
The allegations against Flynn are serious. He's not only accused of failing to register as a foreign agent; and failing to report his consulting income from foreign countries to the Trump transition team; but also for failing to include his contacts with Russians in two different applications for security clearances.
On top of all that, if he did make the alleged promises to the Russians during the transition, then he's in violation of the Logan act.
If DT DID try to obstruct the FBI investigation into the actions of Flynn and others, then that could bring down the US government.
(And Mensch never said that the US marshal was delivering a FISA warrant for treason. I don't know where that idea came from, but that's not what she said.)
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/trumps-russia-scandal-is-becoming-a-corruption-scandal.html
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And colluding in election interference would be serious trouble to if it were proven. But if we can't even get states to conduct honest recounts what are the chances of proving that Russia interfered in their elections? Answer: less than zero.
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)We'll see.
I just added a link to this in the post above. Did you happen to read it? This sounds like the biggest trouble Flynn may be in:
"During his brief tenure, Flynn engaged in breathtaking corruption of his official duties. As national security adviser, Flynn ordered a delay in a key assault on ISIS in Raqqa, Syria. The delay comported with the desires of the Turkish government, which had paid Flynn more than half a million dollars. While largely blotted out by the shock of daily revelations about Trump, in a normal news environment this revelation would have mushroomed into a first-tier scandal of its own. It is hard to think of a historical case in which a major American military action has been influenced so corruptly by a foreign power."
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/trumps-russia-scandal-is-becoming-a-corruption-scandal.html
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Doesn't look good at all for Flynn at least.
american_ideals
(613 posts)We need both to be investigated. And if they occurred (and it seems highly likely both did), people will be jailed.
The FBI already said Russia interfered in our election. Brennan of CIA said it again today.
We need to fix this before our next election.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)that any criminal activity occurred. I heard him.
american_ideals
(613 posts)Brennan Calls For Resisting Russian Meddling With Every Last Ounce Of Devotion To This Country
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/brennan-calls-for-resisting-russian-meddling-with-every-last-ounce-of-devotion-to-this-country/
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)american_ideals
(613 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)american_ideals
(613 posts)And Comey may well have been manipulated by Giuliani, Stone and Russia. Did you notice Stone knew there were dirty tricks coming before they happened?
Me.
(35,454 posts)Is his alleged dealings w/Kisylak and promises that the sanctions would be lifted under a 45 admin. Further...we don't know what else were in those conversations but the tapes were enough to lift eyebrows. According to those who were his superiors, Flynn changed in the last several years and no one knows why...maybe the Ruskies do.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)for lobbying and $45,000 from RT for attending that dinner with Putin. He claimed he'd received the money from US companies. So that's going to get him into trouble. But the rest seems kind of mushy because dealing with foreign governments is what the presidency is mainly supposed to be concerned with per the Constitution and making promises regarding sanctions seems to fall within that function. Of course the devil is in the details which is why he's in need of good lawyers.
It wasn't a presidency when he was making promises and being inadvertently taped by the security services. Obama was still pres and his policies were still in play. 45, for his part, was urging the Russians to mess with HRC and Flynn was his go to man. But what is interesting, again, is the change in personality he underwent which is often an indication that someone has been turned. Furthermore, it was also against military code for him to accept that money without permission.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Leaders. That's illegal.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Why Trump didn't take Christie's advice against hiring him, if he really gave it, is a mystery. On the calls with the Russian minister though it seems like the question is HOW illegal, in other words what is the status of the offense, who adjudicates and what's the penalty.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)They said it was an unprecedented amount of contacts between the campaign and Russian officials. Once they find the financial deals they're fucked.
womanofthehills
(8,693 posts)and transporting him to Turkey. Malcolm Nance was talking about this yesterday on Randi Rhodes show - about federal and state statutes barring kidnapping and conspiring to kidnap. Malcolm suggested there could be charges on this too.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)leftstreet
(36,103 posts)Russia isn't a Communist country
But in spite of that, the GOPers (and media) still use subtle cold war rhetoric to stir up anti-working class sentiment
OMG RUSSIA IS SO BAD THEY R COMMIES!!
I think that's something of what the poster had in mind about red-baiting
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Playing the Russia card seems like RW scare-mongering. The fact is they're a foreign power that we can either deal with diplomatically or militarily and my preference would be the former. Make dinner not war.
american_ideals
(613 posts)Putin is courting our racists and hateful religious groups. We do NOT want to be a dictatorial kleptocracy like Russia.
american_ideals
(613 posts)And Fox News is saying Russia is GOOD, not bad as you claim.
american_ideals
(613 posts)american_ideals
(613 posts)We don't want to ally ourselves with those countries. Note the protesters who got beat up by Turkish bodyguards and then the Turks lied about what they did and falsely blamed others.
The real problem is that there is way, way too much money in American politics and guys like DJT and Ross would rather ally themselves with authoritarian kleptocrats like those in Russia. Together with the billionaire-funded GOP, they are trying to destroy American democracy and turn America into a kleptocracy.
Read David Frum in the March Atlantic on how DJT could make America a dictatorship for more details on this.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)when they joined NATO. It's not our business to decide who and how our allies choose to govern themselves, and if we really did gin up that coup last summer, that would be shameful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO
american_ideals
(613 posts)Ergodan won elections, took control of the media, and then started suppressing the opposition.
Yes, they are our military ally.
No, we DO NOT want to get too close to them, and we should be pressuring them to treat their people better.
Here's an example of why it is a horrible mistake for our govt to get too close to Turkey:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-flynn-turkey-military-plan-20170517-story.html
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Deciding who does or doesn't get to be foreign president is what we're supposedly accusing Putin of, but we get to do it because of what, American exceptionalism? That went out with the 80's.
p.s. welcome to DU!
american_ideals
(613 posts)Few things are more sacred to American democracy than our elections.
CIA and FBI are saying Putin's actions are tantamount to an act of war.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)So let the investigations begin.
american_ideals
(613 posts)A big problem of our own is that our elections are dramatically voter-SUPPRESSED.
By the GOP donor class.
And now, a foreign adversary attacked our elections.
This attack is a huge problem. Every patriotic American who knows the classified info, from Comey to Brennan to Warner to McCain, is saying this is the biggest event of their public lives.
Buckle your chinstraps and resist.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)american_ideals
(613 posts)It is fact that Russia attacked our election.
Or are you going to claim our FBI, CIA, NSA, Warner, Clapper, Whitehouse, McCain, Burr, etc are all wrong.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)emulatorloo
(44,112 posts)No offense but you are really in denial if you're buying this 'no evidence' meme.
It's really not working out well for the Trump apologists in Congress. Especially today.
See below:
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https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029106349
"Republicans Focus on Protecting Trump at Russia Hearing"
Direct link:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/05/republicans-protect-trump-at-house-intelligence-hearing-russia
They kept pressing ex-CIA chief John Brennan to say no evidence of Moscow-campaign collusion exists.
David Corn
May 23, 2017 1:55 PM
The Republicans still are not serious about investigating the Trump-Russia scandal. That message came through resoundingly when the House intelligence committee held a public hearing on Tuesday morning with former CIA chief John Brennan. (Actually, this was not officially a committee hearing. Democrats on the committee were informed earlier this would be considered a "task force" hearing because the Republican chairman of the committee, Rep. Devin Nunes, could not appear because he had recused himself from the Russia investigation.)
At the witness table, Brennan told a harrowing tale. As CIA director last summer, he saw what was happening with the hack-and-leak attack on the Democratic National Committee, and he reviewed top-secret intelligence and concluded that Russia was mounting this assault to disrupt the election, hurt Hillary Clinton, and help Donald Trump. He also at the time was aware of intelligence that showed contacts between Trump associates and Russia, and that caused him to conclude a thorough FBI investigation was warranted. He testified, "I saw interaction" that warranted concern.
This was a big deal. In March, then-FBI chief James Comey revealed during testimony to this committee that in July 2016 the bureau launched an investigation of contacts between Trump associates and Russia. Now the CIA head from then was stating that there was clear intelligence that justified that probe. He also revealed that in early August he was so concerned about the Russian operation he spoke to the head of Russia's FSB, the country's intelligence service, and warned him to knock it off. Brennan also revealed that in August and September he briefed a small number of congressional leaders and shared with them top-secret intelligence about Moscow's effort to subvert the election in part to benefit Donald Trump. (This means that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan knew many details about the Russian operation but didn't challenge or correct Trump's continued public assertions that Russia was not necessarily the culprit in the DNC hack.)
Yet once again Republicans did not focus on the main elements of the story. When the Republicans on the committee had the chance to question Brennan, they did not press him for more details on Russia's information warfare against the United States. Instead, they fixated on protecting Trump.
american_ideals
(613 posts)This is what DJT is trying to do in America. We must resist.
Prime minister of Turkey between 2003 and 2014 and president since, Erdogan has demonized and cracked down on constituencies, ranging from Kurds and social democrats to leftists and liberals, that are not likely to vote for him in order to boost his right-wing, Islamist and nationalist base.
Coupled with strong economic growth, Erdogan's electoral strategy has created deeply entrenched polarization in Turkey: His conservative supporters, constituting about half of the country, have zealously rallied around him in his defense; the other half of the country, brutalized by Erdogan, holds a profound resentment for him. Increasingly, there is little common ground between these constituencies.
Although he has won elections democratically (until Sunday's vote), Erdogan has gradually become more autocratic, ensuring little by little that the political playing field is uneven in order to prevent power from escaping his hands
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,430 posts)Review and refute, with factual evidence, Mensch's journalistic reporting. But remember that recent reporting hasn't received recognition, mostly because Mensch has sources that the MSM doesn't, so the MSM is slower to report.
Mensch is very assertive and combative. This makes her a dramatic read. But I suggest that you not interpret her style as journalistically wreckless. She isn't.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)Including LM! I am grateful for her time and energy and research.
Even as a conservative from another country she knew to put country - our country- over party.
Have more respect for her than for people that still don't want to recognize the MESS we are in.
Go LM! Go CT! I won't ever forget that you were patriots when it counted.
Chemisse
(30,807 posts)It didn't take special insight to get a good idea of what Trump was up to. He's pretty transparent.
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)She never did.
Chemisse
(30,807 posts)But they did it for profits, not because they lacked insight.
There is nothing wrong with liking her and/or following her. I would just take her comments with a grain of salt.
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)I view hers as "raw intelligence." Some good stuff, some not so good. But she has been right on some key things -- for instance, on Comey being someone who really was on the case, despite his mistakes last year.
And she said Rosenstein was a good guy, too -- and seems to be right about that. Even though he had to write that letter, he turned around and appointed Mueller.
And I think she really nailed Trump and Putin long before most others.
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)Ignore her and you will be better off.
FBaggins
(26,727 posts)She didn't like Trump a year ago... So she must be reliable. Got it.
Orrex
(63,199 posts)I hated Trump a quarter century ago. That must make me 25X as reliable as Mensch.
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)FBaggins
(26,727 posts)1 - She isn't in the media
2 - She sees Russia behind every door (the murder of Breitbart... Weiner's sexting... etc.)
3 - LOTS of them did
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-russia-idUSKCN0WQ1FA)
http://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trumps-russia-connections-foreign-policy-presidential-campaign/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-putin-usa-trump-idUSKBN0U01NW20151217
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-30/trump-russia-adviser-carter-page-interview
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/630264/Trump-calls-America-Russia-work-together
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)a libertarian outlet.
FBaggins
(26,727 posts)It's also a stretch to say "she was working for" (since it was her idea) or that it was a "libertarian outlet" (when that's merely how she pitched it when trying to get it funded). I'd also say that it was a stretch to consider that journalism (any more than "the Palmer Report" is. It was really a blog)... but it doesn't matter since she isn't there any more.
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)were made while she was there.
And regardless of what any of us think about libertarians or Heat Street, she was warning us about DT and the Russians much earlier than most people in the conventional media -- especially the broadcast media, who were too busy watching their ratings rise because of DT's rallies. The broadcast media helped promote DT -- she did not.
FBaggins
(26,727 posts)I gave you several examples from prior to her tweets. How many more do you need?
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)in the conventional media were talking about DT and Russia in April 2016?
FBaggins
(26,727 posts)Did you look at any of the links I gave you? When they're from Reuters and AP... that means they were available all over the place.
samnsara
(17,615 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)" Sources with links to the intelligence community say it is believed that Carter Page went to Moscow in early July carrying with him a pre-recorded tape of Donald Trump offering to change American policy if he were to be elected, to make it more favorable to Putin, Mensch claimed in an April post. In exchange, Page was authorized directly by Trump to request the help of the Russian government in hacking the election.
Another post, allegedly based on sources with links to the intelligence community, claimed that Trump, Mike Pence, and Paul Ryan were all going to be arrested on racketeering charges against the Republican party owing to collaboration with Russia.
Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, who was the Designated Survivor at the inauguration of Donald Trump (yes, really) is likely to become President, Mensch writes.
Shes also suggested that Anthony Weiner was brought down as part of a Russian plot to put the Clinton emails back in the news:
I can exclusively report that there is ample evidence that suggests that Weiner was sexting not with a 15 year old girl but with a hacker, working for Russia, part of the North Carolina hacking group Crackas With Attitude, who hacked the head of the CIA, and a great many FBI agents, police officers, and other law enforcement officials.
And that the protests against police brutality in Ferguson were secretly a Russian plot:
That's because you, Russia, funded riots in Ferguson. See 0 hour I have your connections to Trump archived via Schiller and Scavino https://t.co/aTUDlCGkYi
Louise Mensch (@LouiseMensch) April 9, 2017 "
https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/19/15561842/trump-russia-louise-mensch
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Almost trolling for trolls.
People sometimes hate people who are right because they so hate being wrong that they can't admit they are wrong, so they lash out at whoever contradicts and threatens their tidy world view. Louise is a yuuge threat to their propaganda bubble.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)Here's just one example:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/louise-mensch-blames-corbyn-supporters-for-anti-semitism-turns-out-its-her-own-offensive-search-10466928.html
And she was recently the founder and editor of a RW newspaper for Murdoch
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/heat-street-louise-mensch-to-launch-new-right-wing-site-for-rupert-murdochs-news-corp-a6876811.html
She may be right about Trump, but she isn't a hero, or automatically correct on everything.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Last edited Wed May 24, 2017, 02:02 PM - Edit history (1)
it will make Kremlingate go away... And don't you dare even THINK about putting this in the same fucking category as 100% manufactured Twitter troll bullshit like Seth Rich and Pizzagate...
A lot of useful idiots out there are trying to use this Mensch thing as justification for sweeping the whole thing under the rug... One of the reasons why certain people have released a concentrated attack this week despite not saying shit the past six months...