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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWell my DU friends I have finally brought to my knees (update)
Many thanks for best wishes and suggestions.
Thanks to a generous DU member I will be able to resist for a few weeks longer. Hopefully more breaks will start to come my way.
Thank you kind Sir.
Hobo
Trying to survive in this world, after being down sized a year ago, I have come to the end of the road. Savings are gone, driving for Uber is not making ends meet any more. My cell has been turned off, so I won't be able to drive until phone is turned back on. I am using WiFi at local library to read and post. After tonight I will be forced to live in my car. I have applied to over 1000 positions. I am a mechanical engineer with 38 years experience, I have gotten 1 interview past the phone screens. I never get a reason why my degree and experience can't land me a job, all I hear is crickets. I know my age has a lot to do with it. Companies are going to the young people recently graduated, plus in my line of work there is a lot of outsourcing to what is called High Value Engineering Centers, mostly located in India. I have applied at best buy, barnes and nobles, car dealerships and still nothing. This is America in 2017. I was hoping to work until I could collect my social security which I paid into the maximum every year. Now it seems even if I find a way to reach it it would not be there. This is America in 2017.
So after tonight I will only be able to lurk intermittently when I can use some free WiFi. I will of course continue resisting. I still have a soul and reason to live. I am down but not defeated. I will be back on my feet soon. I hope.
Thank you to all here for being my safe place in times of trouble since 2001 and my clubhouse in the good times.
I hope to be able to check back soon
Peace
Hobo
samnsara
(17,604 posts)luvMIdog
(2,533 posts)kacekwl
(7,013 posts)Been close to that point but only a BAD month or two away. Keep your head up and I hope for good news for you. Sad this is where we are .
cpamomfromtexas
(1,245 posts)Please keep us posted and dont give up.
janterry
(4,429 posts)Is there a cheaper phone? I use wireless republic and pay 20/month. In some locations you can bring your own phone. What kind of phone do you have? What about Ting? Do you have family that can pick up your phone bill? Can we help?
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)Living in a car makes it hard to find a job. You need an address, and a shower.
Drive an ice cream truck? Quick cash.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)Get a gym membership and an address at one of those post office stores. I don't know about where you live but Planet Fitness has a $10 a month membership and that will at least give you somewhere you can go to shower.
whathehell
(29,034 posts)I just got a book called."How to live in a car, van, or RV" by someone who has lived in his van for 10 years...He has LOTS of good
suggestions, and a gym membership was one of them.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Volaris
(10,266 posts)Even a mininum wage job can be enough, if the kids are gone and there's NOT RENT.
I was scared to death the first nite. After a month, it was awesome. I learned that most of the things I want, are actually NOT NECESSARY. It makes goal-achievement a hell of a lot easier for starters.
Yes, shower at the gym; it provided me the excuse I needed to actually start working out and I lost about 30 pounds in 6 months (hint --drop laundry in the dryer at the mat before you go work out--2 dead birds with the same 2 hours=))
A year in my car was one of the best Persons I've ever been, and I feel like I've been a lot of Worse People.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and reconstruct everything else as needed. As someone pointed out, the only damage we can't just undo may be to our constitutional norms.
Don't forget to maintain a legal address so you can vote. Oh, yes, and guard your health. It's good that you have a car to live in, of course, but a lot of people have found that spending too much time in it can be like spending too much time on transoceanic flights.
Tanuki
(14,914 posts)Age discrimination in employment is real, but have you heard of this site for over-50 job seekers? Also, where do you live, in case any DUers might know of a position or otherwise be able to assist you?
http://www.seniorjobbank.org/
Tanuki
(14,914 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)kcr
(15,314 posts)femmocrat
(28,394 posts)Hope you can find a way to rebound. Do you have any family who can help?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)At least you'd have some cash coming in.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)We have a hard time finding good mechanical engineers around here. What are your specialties? Drop me a DU mail.
Hekate
(90,552 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I'm trying to see if his skills match what I can help with.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,494 posts)something along those lines? Also, make sure to upload a resume at indeed.com
Best job hunting website I've ever used. It helped me land an architecture gig within a week of being laid off early this year.
Have you looked into construction sub contracting HVAC companies.
Lastly, where are you located? Hope I can help if you're in IL.
Hobo
(757 posts)Yes I am on indeed. I am located outside of Philadelphia.
brush
(53,740 posts)The positions are not ideal as the universities exploit the adjuncts and pay is less than tenured staff but it can be a way to get on your feet.
druidity33
(6,444 posts)they're always in need of good all around IT people...
Good luck!
K&R
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Not much money, but something. Where she was, the school district just needed someone with a bachelor's degree. They readily took on older people.
No investments to stock trade a bit? Do you know anything about that? Can't make much and be very sure of not losing money, but can make a few bucks a day safely. I did that last year. Yes, I lost a bit of $$ on this day or that, but most often I regularly logged in $30, $50. It adds up. (I got better at it, and started logging more than that...and also losing more than that....but I usually logged a profit when I did something SAFE.)
Not old enough for Social Security?
Are you physically fit? If so:
....Retail. Stand on feet a long time, low pay. But it's something. Stores will hire older people.
....Retail during holidays for extra help.
....Temp work of any kind? Office worker, records clerk, mail room helper, retail.
....Fast food worker. At least it's something.
....Waiter in a bar? Or do they only want women? They get tips.
....Waiter in a restaurant or diner? They get tips.
....Sell your furniture or other belongings thru Craigslist?
If you're not 60 yet, YOU ARE NOT OLD! I got hired on somewhere @ 58.
PHONE: Tracfone costs $100 for the year for 400 minutes. If you get a "triple minutes" phone, when you buy airtime for one year for $100, you get 1200 (triple minutes). I have an LG360G. Cheap phone. Works fine. Cost: $100/yr. (You can buy additional airtime, if you need it, for pretty cheap. You can buy airtime from online at tracfone website, or a card at WalMart.)
Tracfone does allow unlocked other phones. You can check whether your phone would work on their system, online. www.tracfone.com
McDonald's also has free wifi. Plus the library.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)lostnfound
(16,162 posts)If you worked in design or manufacturing, you may find your kmowledge useful to end users who have to operate or maintain the equipment you worked on. Not only as engineer, but entry level commercial positions like a buyer of goods or services.
It's a little surprising that you would be paying in at maximum every year but not own a house you could tap for equity.
Social security will survive on low end, any cuts would probably target mid-income people with other retirement assets and income. I.e., making it more need-based.
Do you have any expected pensions you could convert?
Hobo
(757 posts)Yeah I wish I could get a loan. I have pension coming but the company does not allow to cash out yet.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)selling price etc. and you'd be entitled to half of the amount.
democrank
(11,085 posts)and don't give up. Sending best wishes
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)They always need OTR truck drivers. If you can pass the DOT physical I don't think age would stop you from getting hired.
Some outfits like Prime trucking train you to get a CDL and pay you while you train as well and give you a place to stay.
Prime pays 600 bucks a week while you are in training I believe. Good luck friend its a crying shame that an educated person like you falls through the cracks in this capitalist paradise we all must survive in.
My wife and I are also signing up to uber to try and make ends meet. America gets worse year after year.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)If Eastern PA isn't working out for you, a quick search on Indeed shows thousands of postings for experienced mechanical engineers in places like Houston, Auburn Hills MI, San Diego, and other cities.
If you can stomach the Trump train, there is a need for engineers on Defense contracts that are reserved for US citizens who can pass a security clearance and move to places like Norfolk and Annapolis, maybe even the Navy facilities in Philly and Harrisburg if you want to stay local.
Hobo
(757 posts)I have no ties to this area except a grown daughter. I apply everywhere. Even back in Middle East
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)A couple of possibles:
http://job-openings.local-jobs.monster.com/v2/job/View?JobID=182346664&MESCOID=1900306001001&jobPosition=9&ch=phoenixville
http://jobs.local-jobs.monster.com/search?wt.mc_n=hjnpsearch&ch=phoenixville&where=Phoenixville%2C%20PA&rad=50
You've probably already come to this realization, but you may not be able to work in your chosen field anymore. I suspect you are around 60, maybe time to start a new career!
sinkingfeeling
(51,437 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)My 56 year old son is in the same position. Hard to get hired after 45. He lives with me, I am on Social Security.
Freedomofspeech
(4,221 posts)Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)in finding work and we know it's because of his age. His field is chemical engineering and he's built a clientèle tutoring through several companies. He is so effective in changing kids' grades from failing to outstanding that he's decided to go back to school to teach. I mean it's basic chemistry, physics, and algebra but it has changed his life, his outlook, and the kids love him. Please consider tutoring.
TuxedoKat
(3,818 posts)There are usually plenty of jobs at airports from working on the ramp to pushing people to and fro in wheelchairs (they earn good money in tips too). Probably not what you want to do but some of the jobs pay reasonably well and at least it's a job until you find something better. TSA is almost always hiring at the airport where I work and they pay fairly well. A lot of airlines are hiring now too for summer work but if you get your foot in the door, you can get hired permanently, especially if you are willing to relocate (airlines hire engineers too). For various airlines, just google airline name plus employment which will bring you right to their career/application areas. Good luck, pm me if you want more info. JetBlue is one airline that doesn't age discriminate. In my class last year there were several people hired in their '50s and one guy was even 70.
NJCher
(35,619 posts)Last year I was teaching a jobs program that was within 15 miles of the airport and I was surprised at how many of the people in our program found good paying jobs at Newark Int'l.
Hobo, just want to say I am sorry about what you are going through. Predatory capitalism is ruthless and a lot of people get hurt. Please keep us posted by updating what's going on.
Cher
TuxedoKat
(3,818 posts)I hope Hobo follows up on it if interested. Our airport has a lot of retired people working there. There are plenty of jobs.
FakeNoose
(32,577 posts)It's no comfort to you I know, but the same thing is happening to so many Americans now.
Perhaps there's a local charity at a church in your area? I hope you can find something and soon.
Best of luck to you!
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)They can help with small emergency cash, food, and networking ~
http://svdp-phila.info/contact-us/
Check out local Presbyterian Churches...particularly if it's a "More Light" church. I haven't been a member in awhile but back when I was active, their outreach with practical assistance was remarkable...
May these times pass to better ones ~
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)I know it's hard and seems hopeless. You never know what tomorrow will bring. Keep us posted.
onecent
(6,096 posts)I will be thinking about you also and sending you good vibes!!!
steventh
(2,143 posts)500 free minutes, unlimited texts
Safelink
1-800-378-1684
Good luck getting employment
mtngirl47
(987 posts)Use your grown daughter's address
tiptonic
(765 posts)Not trying to interfere but have u tried Fedex or Amazon. They both have a lot of entry level jobs. They promote from within. It could be a start... Take care..
cwydro
(51,308 posts)FedEx is ALWAYS hiring package handlers.
No Vested Interest
(5,164 posts)If a person is ca 60 years he/she could not sustain this for any amount of time.
Requires speed as well as strength.
Many do not make it through training, let alone as a long-term job.
berksdem
(595 posts)and stay strong. You will find a way out of this...
qanda
(10,422 posts)I know there has to be someone reading this that can help out. I've helped others on DU in the past and although I'm not able right now, there has to be someone. Sigh...
I would pay someone back after I get work. I never welch it's not my way.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Insurance companies hire older people because they ten to be more reliable and don't participate in office drama.
It's less stressful too. I went through a similar situation like yours but got lucky working as a temp and was hired permanently.
Don't give up. There are good people out there who will help.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I wish you the best! You have a great attitude and I hope some luck will come your way soon!
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)They are looking for engineer I hear or...Arco does their temps so maybe call them...temp jobs pay well and insurance is offered. The following is under the Delphi listing.
https://www.appone.com/maininforeq.asp?Ad=272957&R_ID=1591685&Refer=https://www.indeed.com/&B_ID=44
TITLE
Manufacturing Engineer - Connection Systems
EOE STATEMENT Delphi is an equal employment opportunity employer. All qualified applicants will receive consideration for employment without regard to race, color, religion, national origin, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability status, protected veteran status or any other characteristic protected by law.
DESCRIPTION
The Delphi Connection Systems (DCS) team has an exciting engineering opportunity located in Warren, OH at our North River Road Complex. Under the direction of a DCS Manufacturing Engineering Supervisor, the successful candidate is responsible for process engineering for material compound extrusion. The Manufacturing Engineer will support manufacturing process, conduct experiments and specify/install new capital equipment.
Provide mechanical engineering support to the manufacturing process
Measure manufacturing metrics and develop improvement initiatives
Lead change activities for continuous improvement
Develop capacity and improvement projects, control equipment purchase, installation, release, etc.
Assist in product growth opportunities in extrusion
Assist in materials and manufacturing cost reduction projects
Assist in customer satisfaction issues and problem resolution
Provide leadership in equipment technology
Support plant maintenance activities with support and information - procedures, spare parts lists, etc.
Follow all Delphi Corporate, Connection Systems and local procedures
Visa sponsorship is not available for this position. Candidates must be legally authorized to work in the United States on a permanent basis.
POSITION REQUIREMENTS
Basic Qualifications:
Bachelor's degree in Engineering
Minimum of 5 years of process engineering experience in a manufacturing environment
Minimum of 1 year of practical experience in mold compound extrusion, pelletizing, drying, or related processes
Previous project coordination of at least 2 major projects in support of manufacturing operations
Demonstrated ability to follow machine prints and layouts in AutoCAD, plant layouts and plant utility prints
Ability to work flexible hours, including weekends, holidays and off-shifts as needed
Preferred Qualifications:
Bachelor's degree in Mechanical Engineering
Previous experience utilizing manufacturing technology, quality control and LEAN concepts
Exceptional analytical and quantitative problem-solving skills including, but not limited to, Six Sigma Shainin Red X, or DFSS certifications
Ability to work effectively with people at all levels in an organization including hourly employees in a union shop
Proven record of leadership in a work setting and/or through extracurricular activities
Ability to communicate complex ideas effectively in English, both verbally and in writing
Proven record of leadership in a work setting and/or through extracurricular activities
High-functioning mechanical aptitude, practical-minded, resourceful individual who prefers the manufacturing environment
RSR
But not my field of expertise. I do oil and gas work designing build off shore and on shore facilities
FailureToCommunicate
(14,007 posts)They seem like they would be similar engineering-wise to oil and gas design build, no?
Anyway, good luck to you. We all hope for an upturn in your fortunes soon.
sprinkleeninow
(20,212 posts)Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)But if you can handle mechanical...hubs has not been without work since he was forced out of his company in 15.
Demsrule86
(68,456 posts)of a recruiter...he helped my husband a great deal. My hubs is sleeping ...works night shift. I will send it DU mail when I get it...he also helped a great deal with resumes...there are jobs in Ohio for older engineers...Keep the faith..
oasis
(49,326 posts)hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)I have nothing to offer except that "our" generation (I'm guessing you're probably about my age) is getting screwed over royally.
I'm currently employed in a job that will end on December 31st. I've been looking for a new job, and it's laughable the way older job seekers are seen. I'm too old to be employable, yet not old enough for social security, and I'm scared shitless as to what the future holds.
I see the spunk and the drive in your post, and I want you to know that spunk and drive ARE important when the going gets tough. I wish you the very best and I hope that somehow, someway, somewhere - the GOOD people get a little bit of good karma.
There are some good suggestions for you in this thread. Please consider them carefully, and I hope to hear better news from you soon. Take care of yourself.
NJCher
(35,619 posts)if you're a mechanical engineer, you're prol'ly pretty handy. I know my handyman was at one time. He charges me $60 just to show up and then each job is individual. There are days when he walks out of here with several hundred dollars. He's really, really good, so I pay it.
My handyman drives a new station wagon and was able to take time off to care for his father in The Netherlands earlier this year. He was gone for over two months.
So there are these handyman boards you could list on. You have to have the phone, though.
On another, but related note: Here is an article on the gig economy. It's an assessment of whether people can make it doing this type of work. It lists all the gig economy web sites.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/15/is-the-gig-economy-working
Read the article to see what you think, and if you think you can, sign up! You can start making money instantly.
Cher
niyad
(113,049 posts)Response to Hobo (Original post)
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rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)is asking for trouble IMHO.
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rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)rzemanfl
(29,554 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,374 posts)If you really want to hide it you need to delete this post and start afresh sans your email
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Brother Buzz
(36,374 posts)The red X self-delete button in the lower right corner of your post will scrub it entirely, like down the rabbit hole.
Mike Nelson
(9,944 posts)...and many are one step away. This is a new economic reality. We need programs to help people find work... matching skill sets with new, sometimes different, opportunities and increasing professional development. Sadly, the political environment is not friendly... but there are good people who continue to try and improve our lives, and attempt to include everyone. Stay involved and something may click - luck hits a few people and you could be the next one.
-Steph-
(409 posts)unlimited texting, and a small amount of free data each month. It's free and easy to sign up. I helped a relative sign up that was going through a rough patch. When applying for jobs it's so important to have a phone number to give out that you have easy access to.
Greybnk48
(10,162 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Thank you so much for including this.
"So after tonight I will only be able to lurk intermittently when I can use some free WiFi. I will of course continue resisting. I still have a soul and reason to live. I am down but not defeated. I will be back on my feet soon. I hope."
I'm going to fight like hell to make sure you SS benefits are still there.
AJT
(5,240 posts)Low unemployment with good employers looking for educated workers in a college town/ capital city.
Applied many times in Madison. Never even get reply.
qanda
(10,422 posts)At least you should have the ability to get uber work.
maveric
(16,445 posts)Maritime engineer. 61 and got "old-sized" from my job of seven years. I haven't worked in four years.Posted hundreds of resumes and got Zero interviews. We live with my wife's Mom and it has been difficult. At least we have a roof over our heads.
I feel for you, my friend.
We ought to form an organization for 55+ able jobseekers.
Very sorry to hear about your situation.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Was laid off in June. Took seven months to find a job. Since, I've lost my home, my good credit, and recently my fiance. Started sniffing heroin because of a kidney stone got me hooked on pills that made me feel better mentally and physically. Without the pills, I was so severely depressed that I wanted commit suicide. The pills are so regulated and expensive that I switched to heroin just to make it day by day. While opiates tend to make others drowsy, they absolutely energize me. They make me feel like I could do anything. I'd sniff before interviews just so I could get out of bed. When I tried to quit, I had a surprise waiting for me; unbearable withdrawals. If I had depression before it didn't touch this. So I was stuck.then back in March, I wrangled what money I had to see an addiction therapist. I have since been clean, thank God. I would have never, ever thought that I would touch heroin. I don't even smoke pot, but here I was, I became a heroin addict before I knew it.
I was living in a hotel room until a week ago when I was finally able to find a low cost place that would accept an eviction and bad credit in my file. I moved in on my birthday.
Just trying to get back to somewhat normal now.
Best of luck to you.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)No grown kids to help? No friendly ex-wife or ex-partner?
You are probably over qualified, and they are not prone to hire over-qualified. They figure you won't stay.
No worker's comp or unemployment compensation?
I guess you've tried everything by now. I'm so sorry.
furtheradu
(1,865 posts)DU ers are some of the finest Human Beings to walk this Earth.
Thank YOU, anonymous DU Angel!
I'm so glad. I was checking your thread earlier, to see if anything had changed.
JI7
(89,239 posts)most of it on the application and resume.
Just include less qualified work.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)How they are desperately trying to find people. Maybe you can hook up with an electrician and learn a new career?
I believe good things will come your way soon. Hang in there. Even in the darkest of nights, the sun always rises.
Turbineguy
(37,289 posts)I teach in adult education. Nobody cares how old you are as long as you know the material.
Marthe48
(16,898 posts)I have a list of work from home sites. I will update it and post for you.
Huffington Post just had a story about pet sitting in exchange for staying at the house. The link is https://www.trustedhousesitters.com/us/
As an aside to house sitting, we had a vacation in Bermuda in 2012, and the bus driver said that the house owners look for house sitters who can manage the house water pumps.
I'm only mentioning these so you can add them to your thoughts and maybe devise a plan. You should apply at the library. I worked at our public library in reference for a couple of years. A lot of the employees came and went frequently.
Would you be in a position to get hold of a 3D printer and make a quick seller? Like impeachment tees?
I'll get the list to you later this evening. Good luck.
bucolic_frolic
(43,044 posts)of too experienced in a specific occupation to be employable.
I too struggle. Over-educated for positions, skills for self-employment
and not for an employee, lack of references from self-employment. Plus
no sane boss would hire you lest you steal their job. They like 'em young,
dumb, technology based, and energetic.
It took me several Robert Kiyosaki books to adjust my mental outlook and
interface with the economic world. I am more owner than employee, though
my fledgling business is home-based and not very profitable. I have friends
talking with me about it, I push every day, but is there a future? I don't know.
joanbarnes
(1,721 posts)invent their career. I went 'back' to health care, D. went to telecom, where we each were able to somewhat get around the rampant age discrimination that we all know is there, but impossible to prove. Still working back up to level of pay from before 2011.
Marthe48
(16,898 posts)I just got done testing them and they are all good. I looked for work from home in 2000, and was grateful to get a good-paying job that I stayed with for 9 years. I left so I could babysit my first grandchild and then the next. I kept the sites and updated it over the years, have passed it out if someone is looking for work. Just remember, like all jobs, you shouldn't have to pay a fee to get hired. Or buy your own equipment. GOOD LUCK!
There is a variety of employment, so I hope you can find something interesting. At the bottom of the list are some that I got from a magazine last year. ESL tutoring sounded interesting. I've been an AFS volunteer for over 20 years, and have so enjoyed meeting people from other countries. I thought I'd like to try that one, but didn't get to this last year. Good luck on your hunt:
https://www.flexjobs.com/
www.guru.com
http://www.freelancers.com/
http://www.hea-employment.com/
www.homeworkers.com
http://www.monster.com/
http://www.headhunter.com/
http://www.jobengine.com/
http://www.careeronestop.org/Toolkit/ACINet.aspx
http://www.jobsourcenetwork.com/jobopenings/jsframe.htm
http://telecommutingjournal.com/
http://www.wahm.com/jobs.html
http://www.mtjobs.com/
http://www.ahdionline.org/
http://www.mtdaily.com/
These are links from a recent Redbook magazine. I liked some of the ideas for myself, but I am already selling on eBay and dont want to do more:
Try: Customer service or direct sales. With call centers moving back stateside, many companies are hiring home workers, who work shifts as short as three or four hours. Agencies like ContractWorld, Sutherland Global, Convergys, and Arise hire for big retailers.
Try: Dog-sitting. After interviews and reference checks, you can list yourself on rover.com or dogvacay.com, both of which match pet owners with sitters or host families.
Try: Freelance business consulting. Hourlynerd.com matches up high-profile companies with independent business consultants on a per-project basis.
Try: Online-juror case reviews. To prep for trial, attorneys use services like onlineverdict.com and ejury.com to run their cases by mock jurors, who get paid. It's like making money watching Law & Order!
Try: ESL tutoring. You don't need a teaching degree to tutor English as a second language to students via video chat. Try cambly.com or wetutorenglish.com
Try: Digital earning task apps and sites. Make extra cash while going about your regular shopping. An app called EasyShift asks you to complete micro-tasks while in a store, such as verifying a product is in stock. Sites like Swagbucks https://www.swagbucks.com/ also offer payouts for taking surveys, watching videos, and shopping online.
Try: On-demand delivery. Turn your minivan into a cash-mobile. Through roadie.com, you can book local or interstate delivery jobs.
MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)You may not agree with it philosophically, but they are going to do it whether they are paying you or someone else. Maybe just for enough time to find something else.
http://frackingjobs.co/pennsylvania-fracking-jobs/
denverbill
(11,489 posts)He specializes in pharmaceutical, medical device, engineering, and manufacturing. Might be able to help you out.
Motownman78
(491 posts)It wasn't just about "messaging" or LGBTQ issues, it was because there are hundreds of thousands of people like Hobo. Unfortunately, very few are educated and aware enough that big business is to blame.