General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHeres Why Melania Trump Wore Black To Meet The Pope
President Donald Trump met a sad-looking Pope Francis at the Vatican on Wednesday, along with his wife, Melania, daughter Ivanka and others.
Melania and Ivanka both wore black dresses with long sleeves and black veils (Melanias dress was Dolce & Gabbana, a possible nod to the host country). Although Pope Francis has not enforced traditional dress code rules for women at private Vatican audiences as strictly as his predecessors did, both women kept to old-school protocol.
This traditional rule holds that most women wear long black dresses with sleeves and mantillas, and only a very select handful of women enjoy an exception. These ladies have the privilège du blanc, or privilege of the white, which means theyre allowed to wear white if they choose. According to the World Heritage Encyclopedia, the queens of Italy, Belgium and Spain, grand duchesses of Luxembourg, and princesses of the House of Savoy are automatically allowed to exercise the privilège du blanc.
Theres a common theme: Those are all Catholic royal houses, though not all Catholic royals automatically enjoy the privilege. And modern first ladies, at least, have strictly adhered to the traditional mandate.
Per Vatican protocol, women who have an audience with the Pope are required to wear long sleeves, formal black clothing, and a veil to cover the head, the first ladys communications director, Stephanie Grisham, told CNN in a statement.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/melania-trump-pope-wear-black_us_59258828e4b00c8df2a08d40?tgd&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009
jehop61
(1,735 posts)dalton99a
(81,404 posts)pnwmom
(108,959 posts)The Catholic President of Ireland, Mary Robinson, wore green to her audience at the Vatican -- with no veil -- and Queen Elizabeth wore a lilac suit and hat.
mountain grammy
(26,598 posts)but heads covered at the vatican? WTF is going on, donnie?
itcfish
(1,828 posts)in the Vatican
marlakay
(11,428 posts)They look either like they are going to a funeral or scared to death.
I saw on fb pics from other presidents wives who wore black but yet smiled and looked happy to be with pope.
Are these women feeling guilty about how they treat the poor?
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)Who the fuck cares?
genxlib
(5,518 posts)Lighting strikes can be deadly if you are that close.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)that Catholicism adopted the practice of women covering their heads while in church from the Greeks, who believed that the gods could impregnate women through their uncovered heads
However, it was no laughing matter to me when I, as a Catholic girl, forgot to bring my veil to Church and my mom had to bobby pin a Kleenex to my hair(preVatican II). I remember seeing women wearing anything they could cover their heads with, even plastic rain bonnets. I never knew why we females had to cover our heads while I was a Catholic, But I do remember the fear I had if I failed to do so.
I laugh at the reason and the Kleenex now, though.
woodsprite
(11,905 posts)rusty fender
(3,428 posts)Thanks for the reminder--I saw those too
irisblue
(32,932 posts)And could we put it back on Poppa D's chair afterwards.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)wishstar
(5,268 posts)ruining many Sunday mornings for entire families before the rule changed.
But the Catholic church will never allow women equal rights, one of many reasons I left the church as a teenager and have been glad I never again gave them a dime after the priest abuses came to light, although we had a very good priest throughout my childhood.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)and became an atheist about 4 years after that.
demmiblue
(36,823 posts)pnwmom
(108,959 posts)Queen Elizabeth wore lilac, with a lilac hat.
I think the Trumps were just trying to impress conservative Catholics. Pope Francis didn't care.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/10742391/The-Queen-meets-Pope-Francis-on-visit-to-Rome.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-robinson-presidency-in-pictures-1.2422995
Response to pnwmom (Reply #17)
pnwmom This message was self-deleted by its author.
leftstreet
(36,101 posts)They're so embarrassingly clueless and classless.
And in spite of their devotion to wealth and social climbing, they still just come off as penthouse trash
Buns_of_Fire
(17,158 posts)Button your damned coat, ya slob! Yeah, I'm looking at YOU, Comrade Fatass!