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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Wed May 24, 2017, 12:51 PM May 2017

Heres Why Melania Trump Wore Black To Meet The Pope

President Donald Trump met a sad-looking Pope Francis at the Vatican on Wednesday, along with his wife, Melania, daughter Ivanka and others.

Melania and Ivanka both wore black dresses with long sleeves and black veils (Melania’s dress was Dolce & Gabbana, a possible nod to the host country). Although Pope Francis has not enforced traditional dress code rules for women at private Vatican audiences as strictly as his predecessors did, both women kept to old-school protocol.

This traditional rule holds that most women wear long black dresses with sleeves and mantillas, and only a very select handful of women enjoy an exception. These ladies have the “privilège du blanc,” or “privilege of the white,” which means they’re allowed to wear white if they choose. According to the World Heritage Encyclopedia, the queens of Italy, Belgium and Spain, grand duchesses of Luxembourg, and princesses of the House of Savoy are automatically allowed to exercise the “privilège du blanc.”

There’s a common theme: Those are all Catholic royal houses, though not all Catholic royals automatically enjoy the privilege. And modern first ladies, at least, have strictly adhered to the traditional mandate.

“Per Vatican protocol, women who have an audience with the Pope are required to wear long sleeves, formal black clothing, and a veil to cover the head,” the first lady’s communications director, Stephanie Grisham, told CNN in a statement.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/melania-trump-pope-wear-black_us_59258828e4b00c8df2a08d40?tgd&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

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Heres Why Melania Trump Wore Black To Meet The Pope (Original Post) mfcorey1 May 2017 OP
Much prettier jehop61 May 2017 #1
When in Rome, do as the Romans do dalton99a May 2017 #2
This was just a show for conservative American Catholics. pnwmom May 2017 #18
What, no head covering in Saudi Arabia mountain grammy May 2017 #3
It is an option itcfish May 2017 #11
The difference is their expressions marlakay May 2017 #4
Just another religion that wants to control women. NightWatcher May 2017 #5
The obsession about this confuses me. B2G May 2017 #6
They're not unhappy, they're scared genxlib May 2017 #7
It always struck me as funny rusty fender May 2017 #8
My boss said her mom kept a stash of doilies in their car glove compartment, just in case. n/t woodsprite May 2017 #10
LOL! rusty fender May 2017 #12
Remember the little doilys? I did ask my mom why I had to put this on my head irisblue May 2017 #13
LOL! rusty fender May 2017 #16
The inane head covering requirement undoubtedly caused millions of mother/daughter squabbles wishstar May 2017 #14
I left it when I was fifteen rusty fender May 2017 #15
Kick demmiblue May 2017 #9
Irish President Mary Robinson wore green to meet Pope John Paul. No veil. pnwmom May 2017 #17
+1 dalton99a May 2017 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom May 2017 #21
The Trumps would wear sombreros to meet the Prez of Mexico leftstreet May 2017 #22
I propose a new men's requirement: Buns_of_Fire May 2017 #19
This is why she dressed like that... pamela May 2017 #23

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
18. This was just a show for conservative American Catholics.
Wed May 24, 2017, 03:38 PM
May 2017

The Catholic President of Ireland, Mary Robinson, wore green to her audience at the Vatican -- with no veil -- and Queen Elizabeth wore a lilac suit and hat.

marlakay

(11,428 posts)
4. The difference is their expressions
Wed May 24, 2017, 01:14 PM
May 2017

They look either like they are going to a funeral or scared to death.

I saw on fb pics from other presidents wives who wore black but yet smiled and looked happy to be with pope.

Are these women feeling guilty about how they treat the poor?

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
8. It always struck me as funny
Wed May 24, 2017, 01:43 PM
May 2017

that Catholicism adopted the practice of women covering their heads while in church from the Greeks, who believed that the gods could impregnate women through their uncovered heads

However, it was no laughing matter to me when I, as a Catholic girl, forgot to bring my veil to Church and my mom had to bobby pin a Kleenex to my hair(preVatican II). I remember seeing women wearing anything they could cover their heads with, even plastic rain bonnets. I never knew why we females had to cover our heads while I was a Catholic, But I do remember the fear I had if I failed to do so.

I laugh at the reason and the Kleenex now, though.

irisblue

(32,932 posts)
13. Remember the little doilys? I did ask my mom why I had to put this on my head
Wed May 24, 2017, 03:04 PM
May 2017

And could we put it back on Poppa D's chair afterwards.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
14. The inane head covering requirement undoubtedly caused millions of mother/daughter squabbles
Wed May 24, 2017, 03:11 PM
May 2017

ruining many Sunday mornings for entire families before the rule changed.

But the Catholic church will never allow women equal rights, one of many reasons I left the church as a teenager and have been glad I never again gave them a dime after the priest abuses came to light, although we had a very good priest throughout my childhood.

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leftstreet

(36,101 posts)
22. The Trumps would wear sombreros to meet the Prez of Mexico
Wed May 24, 2017, 04:10 PM
May 2017

They're so embarrassingly clueless and classless.

And in spite of their devotion to wealth and social climbing, they still just come off as penthouse trash



Buns_of_Fire

(17,158 posts)
19. I propose a new men's requirement:
Wed May 24, 2017, 03:47 PM
May 2017

Button your damned coat, ya slob! Yeah, I'm looking at YOU, Comrade Fatass!

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