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Wed May 24, 2017, 03:24 PM

Just remember ISIS is the result of w & Cheney's war for oil in Iraq.

Remember too that the French warned us about unkown and unforseen "blowback"
from invading Iraq and the republicans and Fox News responded w/freedom fries.


Tony Blair is right: without the Iraq war there would be no Islamic State
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/25/tony-blair-is-right-without-the-iraq-war-there-would-be-no-isis

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 03:33 PM

1. No question in my mind. Sadam was a tyrant, but he kept relative peace. 700,000 Christians lived

in relative peace in Iraq until they had to escape after george war bush destabilized the region.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Wed May 24, 2017, 03:38 PM

4. In late Feb./early March I was westbound on Morse Rd. in Columbus, OH going under I 71 ....

.... And Joe Wilson (I think it was him) came on NPR and said that Iraq 105 different
sides and their on common factor was that they all hated each other and yes, we could
be in Baghdad in under 1 week but then we, Iraq, and the middle east would be screwed
because of the hell on earth that would be unleashed.

P.s. Who funds ISIS? That would be our friends the Saudis.

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Response to Botany (Reply #4)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:32 PM

8. My late wife used to work for some Iraqi engineers livin here. She called them after bush's invasion

and they said that "bush has just created hundreds of Saddams and that they would never be able to return to their country now."

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 03:34 PM

2. Rightwingers all over the web insist President Obama created and funded ISIS.

They ignore the fact that ISIS is around 14 years old. Anytime the right makes their claim, Democrats must counter them with fact, it is not good enough to simply state President Obama did not create ISIS, hit the right with dates and facts about the American lives ISIS took in Iraq, well before President Obama came to the job of President.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 03:36 PM

3. Yep, Bremer fire all the generals and colonels in the Iraqi army...

and ISIS was born.

That's how they took all those huge swathes of territory so quickly. They had leaders.

We are still getting blowback from that previous repug fuck up, now trump is poised to start his own militaristic debacle to take the country's attention away from Russia-gate, thinking that we won't want to get rid of the president during a war.

It's a clear danger.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 03:48 PM

5. What does oil have to do with it?

Did we steal Iraqi oil? Care to prove that?

Bush wanted to finish what his dad started, but he and the neocons didn't understand the dynamics of the area of Iraq.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #5)

Wed May 24, 2017, 03:53 PM

6. Care to prove that? Sure thing ....



Dick Cheney had maps of Iraqi oil fileds on his desk in Feb. March 2001

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Response to Botany (Reply #6)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:02 PM

11. The oil wasn't stolen.

The Iraqi oil market was opened up to foreign investment. So what.

The west, in particular the EU, has been getting fucked by the oil producers since the early 1970s.

It pretty much started in 1973.

Wonder why?

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Response to Mosby (Reply #11)

Wed May 24, 2017, 07:58 PM

12. "The oil wasn't stolen."

It sure was ..... for the first 6 to 8 months it was just pumped out
and loaded onto ships w/out being measured.

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Response to Botany (Reply #12)

Wed May 24, 2017, 08:26 PM

14. Or maybe the US military is just incompetent

They can't even account for their own spending much less were that oil money went.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/27/iraq-oil-funds-billions-missing

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Response to Mosby (Reply #14)

Wed May 24, 2017, 09:32 PM

15. Oh please ..... way to change the subject

With Haliburton and other oil companies taking the oil from Iraq
but saying they had no way to count the # of barrels of oil loaded
is pure b.s.. Haliburton is an oil field service company. Inline
meters can calculate how much oil is going through a pipeline.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 03:58 PM

7. Isis is Saddam's well-planned revenge....

That is an indisputable fact, and any actual expert on Iraq and Middle East will tell you so. If they say otherwise they are lying or poorly informed. Upper echelon of so-called Isis are Saddam's cronies. That being said, the "Isis" that commits atrocities in Europe and occasionally in US are dumb ass youth warped by social media propaganda--Saddam"s revenge. The irony is that Saddam was a secular Iraqi nationalist, but his revenge is propelled by the exploitation of Salafi ignoramuses. Yes, it is indeed Cheney's fault, as the great Winnebago Man declared on one memorable San Francisco evening.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:43 PM

9. Totally

They never grasped the two different sects, left just one of the them in charge, the other sect got ISIS rolling.

So that uncalled for war not only is costing us oodles of billions it gave us ISIS. It just keeps giving.

Thanks PNAC greedy idiots.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:48 PM

10. Didn't Rand Paul also say the same

Hawks in the Republican Party created ISIS, or something like that?

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 08:25 PM

13. Reminds me of this toon

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