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Wed May 24, 2017, 04:23 PM

****NEW AND IMPROVED AMERICAN HEALTH CARE ACT (CHUMP CARE) LEAVES 23 MILLION MORE UNINSURED****

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52752

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Reply ****NEW AND IMPROVED AMERICAN HEALTH CARE ACT (CHUMP CARE) LEAVES 23 MILLION MORE UNINSURED**** (Original post)
DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 OP
MattP May 2017 #1
underpants May 2017 #2
Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #3
workinclasszero May 2017 #4
geek tragedy May 2017 #5
DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #6
geek tragedy May 2017 #14
DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #18
C_U_L8R May 2017 #10
awesomerwb1 May 2017 #7
uponit7771 May 2017 #12
geek tragedy May 2017 #15
Jim Lane May 2017 #20
underpants May 2017 #8
Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #11
Freethinker65 May 2017 #17
vlyons May 2017 #9
uponit7771 May 2017 #13
workinclasszero May 2017 #16
octoberlib May 2017 #19

Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:25 PM

1. Dropping late to avoid east coast news and late night comics?

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Response to MattP (Reply #1)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:27 PM

2. I expect it will take up most of TV tonight

With Trump making the Pope sad taking up most of the rest.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:27 PM

3. I forsee it not being very kind to the bill.

But that's just me presuppositinin'.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:30 PM

4. Tune into Rachel and Larry

 

shows tonight!

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:34 PM

5. top line numbers $119B reduction in deficit spending, 23 million fewer people insured nt

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #5)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:38 PM

6. Is my math right?

That's $600.00 a life.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #6)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:45 PM

14. not quite

 

$992 Billion in revenue reductions
$1101 Billion in expenditure reductions

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #14)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:54 PM

18. My bad.

$5, 173 a life. That's less than a decent funeral.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #5)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:42 PM

10. 23 million additional uninsured?

Or 23 million total uninsured?
Either way, it's a tenth of the population or more.
Do Republican hope those people won't get sick?
Or do they just want them to die?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:39 PM

7. So this thing is 'better' than the last one?

23 million uninsured versus 24?

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Response to awesomerwb1 (Reply #7)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:45 PM

12. Right ... but ... decreases the deficit by 120 million ... conservatives will love that part.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #12)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:46 PM

15. they'll claim to love it, they don't care about the deficit nt

 

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Response to awesomerwb1 (Reply #7)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:26 PM

20. That it's "better" isn't clear

 

As compared with the earlier version, there would be fewer people without insurance, but among the people who are insured there would be more people with crappy insurance.

The CBO states:

"In comparison with the estimates for the previous version of the act, under the House-passed act, the number of people with health insurance would, by CBO and JCT’s estimates, be slightly higher and average premiums for insurance purchased individually—that is, nongroup insurance—would be lower, in part because the insurance, on average, would pay for a smaller proportion of health care costs."


I think the explanation is that this bill would loosen the requirements for the minimum coverage a policy must provide. That means that premiums could be lower, so more people would sign up. This result is "better" right up until the moment that one of those people encounters a medical problem that's not covered.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:40 PM

8. Won't increase deficit so the Repubs only need 50 votes in the Senste.

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Response to underpants (Reply #8)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:43 PM

11. Yes, that's the only part of this report that they care about n/t

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Response to underpants (Reply #8)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:53 PM

17. I predict they will get 50 votes plus Pence

Good bye affordable comprehensive healthcare. Hello tax cuts to the wealthy.

Kind of sad the GOP will be effectively killing off many of their red county voters, but that must have been part of the overall plan.

Now the GOP had better work quickly to remove as many regulations and corporate taxes as possible, destroy public education, continue to stack the courts, and privatize all of our country's natural resources, infrastructure, and other assets before the non-comprehensive shitty policies start to creep into employer based coverage.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:42 PM

9. $119 billion is chump change

"For FY 2017, President Obama proposed the base budget of $523.9 billion, which includes an increase of $2.2 billion over the FY 2016 enacted budget of $521.7 billion. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

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Response to vlyons (Reply #9)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:45 PM

13. its a rounding error especially over 10 years

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:47 PM

16. Republican terrorists kill 23 million Americans

 

Who will protect us from Twitler and his terrorist party?

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:57 PM

19. Premiums will go up 800% for elderly enrollees

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