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Wed May 24, 2017, 04:58 PM

Premiums for older low-income recipients would rise 800%


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Reply Premiums for older low-income recipients would rise 800% (Original post)
mcar May 2017 OP
dalton99a May 2017 #1
mcar May 2017 #9
panader0 May 2017 #2
Skittles May 2017 #5
PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #7
stopbush May 2017 #19
PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #20
gademocrat7 May 2017 #3
workinclasszero May 2017 #4
mcar May 2017 #10
workinclasszero May 2017 #14
mcar May 2017 #15
workinclasszero May 2017 #18
taught_me_patience May 2017 #6
Else You Are Mad May 2017 #8
Thinkingabout May 2017 #11
mcar May 2017 #12
MyNameIsKhan May 2017 #13
applegrove May 2017 #16
mcar May 2017 #17
leftyladyfrommo May 2017 #21
mcar May 2017 #22
mitch96 May 2017 #27
suffragette May 2017 #23
mcar May 2017 #24
suffragette May 2017 #28
mcar May 2017 #29
suffragette May 2017 #31
TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #25
still_one May 2017 #26
mcar May 2017 #30
still_one May 2017 #32

Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 04:59 PM

1. Spread this far and wide

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #1)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:18 PM

9. Yes, we need to

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:01 PM

2. $13,600 based on an income of $26,500.

Think of all the money they'll have left over!

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Response to panader0 (Reply #2)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:06 PM

7. But just think how much money you'll

save on rent once you're living on a park bench!

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #7)

Wed May 24, 2017, 07:32 PM

19. Next comes the rule that you can't get insurance if you don't have a home address.

After that comes the rule that you can't get insurance if you're a renter, not a homeowner.

After that comes the rule that if your house is worth less than $2-million, you can't get insurance.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #19)

Wed May 24, 2017, 07:42 PM

20. Seems logical, doesn't it?

Of course, they'll also need to pass a rule that if you don't have insurance you can't go to an emergency room for treatment.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:04 PM

3. Ruthless rethugs.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:05 PM

4. That's just Trump paying back all his senior

 

supporters for their votes.

Enjoy abject poverty and early death SUCKERS!!

800 percent!!!!

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #4)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:19 PM

10. Suckers indeed

I wonder how his voters will rationalize this?

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Response to mcar (Reply #10)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:26 PM

14. Those nice white folks

 

on Fox and friends will blame it on Hillary's emails.

And the faithful deplorables will believe.

Trump is their Jim Jones and they have drunk deeply of his purple kook-aid.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #14)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:28 PM

15. And they'll think it will only affect "them"

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Response to mcar (Reply #15)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:30 PM

18. Bingo

 

They are in for a rude awakening

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:06 PM

6. The group that broke heavily for Trump n/t

 

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:06 PM

8. That is one way to cut Social Security...

By making it too expensive for older Americans to afford health care so they die before they take too much money out of it.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:19 PM

11. Every representative who voted yes on this bill needs to be targeted. My representative is

among the yes voters. It should be changed where Congress has to be under the bill they pass, maybe a premium of over half of their salary will get their attention. Shameful.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #11)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:21 PM

12. So is mine

And my district is almost all retirees.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:25 PM

13. Even for the state without waiver premium rises to 16100, which is close 950%

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:28 PM

16. So cruel. Republicans want old age to be a luxury good.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #16)

Wed May 24, 2017, 05:29 PM

17. It's counterproductive

Because these are their voters.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 08:14 PM

21. Yea! That ought to kill off a lot of old people

Fewer people on SSI. More money for those tax paying rich people.

Oh, except they don't pay taxes.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #21)

Wed May 24, 2017, 08:15 PM

22. Yes

But fewer R voters too. Their strategy has some flaws.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #21)

Wed May 24, 2017, 08:58 PM

27. Ahh yes, Death panels by any other name...

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 08:20 PM

23. "Moderate changes"?

Not by any definition is that a moderate change.

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Response to suffragette (Reply #23)

Wed May 24, 2017, 08:23 PM

24. Yes, half your income will go to health insurance

But that's "moderate."

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Response to mcar (Reply #24)

Wed May 24, 2017, 09:09 PM

28. All while the CEOs of the insurance companies pocket multi millions in salary, bonuses and shares

They profit; we lose.

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Response to suffragette (Reply #28)

Wed May 24, 2017, 09:10 PM

29. It's disgusting

All those good "Christians" who came up with this travesty will burn in hell with Roger Ailes.

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Response to mcar (Reply #29)

Wed May 24, 2017, 09:33 PM

31. Yes, it is. And sadly they seek to make life here hellish while they profiteer.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 08:31 PM

25. exactly as planned... but hey, as long as the mega-rich get their tax cut, it's all good. nt

 

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Wed May 24, 2017, 08:39 PM

26. Those states that refused to expand Medicaid, and whose republican politicians did everything they

could to undermine the ACA, are cause this instability.

On the other hand, California is an example of how to do it right.

"The state has recorded some of the nation’s most dramatic gains in health coverage since 2013 while building a competitive insurance marketplace that offers consumers enhanced protections from high medical bills.

Californians, unlike people in many states, have many insurance choices. That means that even with rising premiums, the vast majority of consumers should be able to find a plan that costs them, at most, 5% more than they are paying this year.

And all health plans being sold in the state will cap how much patients must pay for prescriptions every month and for many doctor visits."

That reflects deliberate choices by California state officials who, unlike many states, used the health law to expand the Medicaid safety net and build a marketplace that put stringent requirements on insurance companies.

“California followed the blueprint. They did it right,” said Dr. J. Mario Molina, chief executive of Long Beach-based Molina Healthcare Inc., a leading national insurer that is selling marketplace plans in nine states in 2017.

“What has been lost in all the rhetoric and the politics is that the system can work,” Molina said. Open enrollment begins next month.

California and its Obamacare marketplace, Covered California, still face challenges, including rising costs. Like consumers elsewhere, some Californians, particularly those who make too much money to qualify for government subsidies, are seeing substantial premium increases and narrowing networks.

But while health coverage has faltered in other states where politicians worked to undermine the law, California highlights what can be accomplished if government officials and industry leaders work together to expand insurance, control costs and protect consumers.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-california-model-20161007-snap-story.html

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Response to still_one (Reply #26)

Wed May 24, 2017, 09:11 PM

30. Good point

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Response to mcar (Reply #30)

Wed May 24, 2017, 09:56 PM

32. The republicans are destablizing the entire insurance market. There is uncertainty about the

subsidies, leaders in red states were discouraging people from buying into the individual mandate, and that resulted in many young healthy people refusing to sign-up for the ACA, which over weighted the system with more people with existing problems or risks, and while the ACA would work, this not so subtle sabotaging of it could very likely cause the ACA to collapse.

The CBO's estimated that 20 million plus that will lose coverage under the proposed republican plan is adding further instability to the insurance industry.

From the republican perspective they hope no matter what happens, that hope the ACA will collapse on its own if they are not able to repeal it.

Either way it isn't a good scenario. Millions will lose their coverage, either by insurance companies pulling out, or those that remain, the premiums will be so high for those that need that coverage, they are not affordable.

For those that believe this will force Medicare for all, single payer, or a public option, I wouldn't hold my breath as long as republicans control the government.

2018 is even more critical, and just capturing one house won't be enough, we need both the Senate and the House to do something. Otherwise the best that probably can be hoped for is preventing things from getting less worse until 2020, and a lot of people are going to be hurt

The bottom line is do Americans as a whole believe that healthcare should be a right?

There is a bill going through California right now for Single Payer. Are people willing to pay more taxes for single payer?

I would be more than willing to pay the 15% state tax, but I have no idea if my fellow Californians would be





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