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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere have been three presidents I've despised...
They are Ronald Reagan, Bush II, and of course, our current president. My middle finger does an automatic salute whenever I hear or see them. Reflexive.
BUT, with our current president, this is the first and only time in my adult life I have despised the people who voted for him.
Is this a first for anyone else?
rurallib
(62,379 posts)I had a white hot hate for that man.
edit to add - I had a hate for those that voted for Nixon, but not like I have for Trump voters.
Greywing
(1,124 posts)Many DUers may be too young to remember Nixon (that disgusting POS)
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Greywing
(1,124 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,865 posts)Until Bush became the worst until Trump became the by-a-mile worst.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)And when the time comes, let's give Mike Pence a chance. He may prove the be the worst ever, even worse that Donald Trump.
I cannot imagine that Scott Walker would be any better than Trump if he had been elected. And he would certainly be stunningly corrupt and abusive of his power.
There is so much focus on Trump that some people forget just how evil some other Republicans are.
SCantiGOP
(13,865 posts)had as much to do with Viet Nam as it did domestic policy and corruption.
But I will accept your basic premise that Reagan did more harm to the country if you or a family member wasn't killed fighting an immoral war.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)"Trickle Down Theory" and the Pubs are Still hooked on it! His actions started the war on our unions (the air traffic controllers), eliminated the interest deductions for all the smaller taxes that helped out the little guy (department store credit cards) & many other smaller deductions the average earners could use if they kept good records. Many of the things he did are still in effect today. That IMO makes him the worst prez just because of the longevity of his changes,
The actual results of the Con administration is yet to be seen. It's still way too soon,
dem4decades
(11,269 posts)Compared to our present asshole he's looking better by the day.
Rhett Cohen
(32 posts)Some of these brilliant capitalists realize people need money to buy things, and if no one has money, no one buys anything, and if no one buys anything, they go broke.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)He is before my time too.
I always hated Reagan. I never hated another president as much until Trump came along. That goes for losing candidates too, like Dole, McCain and Romney.
Ironically, I sometimes feel like I am less hard on Trump compared to other people on this board because I won't stop attacking James Comey. I am frightened by how many people are glossing over his actions. The fact that he doesn't like Trump, and is willing to investigate him, does not mitigate what he did. Repeatedly.
Rhett Cohen
(32 posts)Plus, if he were just starting out in the house, he'd be a centrist Dem these days, most likely.
The Blue Flower
(5,433 posts)Some of his voters just wanted to believe the fantasy. His enablers in DC know it was pure fantasy and that he's 120% corrupt, but they're content to use him to the detriment of all.
SJMULE
(193 posts)seeing what he did to AC and working for Trump myself. I have a white hot distaste for the apparent ignorance of his career and the man he always was by those who believed his campaign BS.
Rhett Cohen
(32 posts)clinging to that fantasy harder than their guns, Bibles, and/or cousin/girlfriends.
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)Different Drummer
(7,603 posts)LisaM
(27,794 posts)I never felt that Bush voters hated me. I think Trump voters do.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)that liberals hate America?
LisaM
(27,794 posts)I really think a lot of it felt that way because our candidate was a woman.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)And, yes, gender issues played a huge factor in this election. It wasn't so much that people were saying "you're a woman so you don't get the job." It was about a woman not having the same ability to push back on smear campaigns and attacks, which meant there was no limit to how far they could be taken.
Rhett Cohen
(32 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)I despise trump voters.
The Velveteen Ocelot
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I had no use for Reagan, either; but Nixon and Bush II had me yelling at my TV on an almost daily basis. I even kept the little black & white portable TV I watched Nixon's resignation speech on for some 30 years as a sort of souvenir. I couldn't quite bring myself to loathe his voters (many of whom wouldn't admit having voted for him after Watergate) because a lot of my relatives were among them. My great-aunt, who had a sort of a shrine to him in her living room, continued to insist he'd been framed.
Reagan voters annoyed me but in those days Republicans were considered "normal" (though by the end of Reagan's second term they seemed to be a good deal less so). People who voted for Bush the first time were annoying because so many apparently voted for him because they thought he was someone they'd like to have a beer with. My own parents liked him because he seemed (to them, not to me) like "a nice guy." After the second election, though, Bush voters started to piss me off because they didn't seem to get what a big fuckup Iraq was - or the fact that it was based on lies. McCain voters pissed me off mostly because it didn't bother them that Sarah Palin would be an old man's heartbeat away from the presidency.
But Trump voters? A whole 'nother breed, and a whole hell of a lot of them. I can't even comprehend why someone with two brain cells to rub together would vote for someone so galactically unqualified and personally reprehensible. Stupid? Ignorant? Racist? Just mean? All of the above? I'm still gobsmacked.
Rhett Cohen
(32 posts)And that kind of lessens the hate for me, seeing as they grew up with a television, and Madison Avenue, using Edward Bernays propaganda model, would be more inclined to vote in dime store John Wayne, and not really think about the potential drawbacks to doing so, since they'd been groomed to listen to marketing from childhood. Of course there were the Dominionists, Prosperity Gospelists, racists and other kooks, but he did get a high number of union members and Democrats who saw him as a pleasant grandpa version of the Gipper.
jrthin
(4,833 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)It is different in this case. They have truly put us all in danger due to their hatred and stupidity.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)and the people who allowed Russia to put him in place.
The voters are idiots and assholes. We told them all of this would happen but they didn't care to hear.
The people like McTurtle and Ryan who knew better and sold out America for a few $$$ should rot in federal prison.
Rhett Cohen
(32 posts)indie_voter
(1,999 posts)I was too young to really understand Nixon. I was 10 when he resigned (I'm 53).
And yes. I know what you mean. I have a really hard time even talking to anybody who voted for this fool.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)that I have despised the core base of the people supporting a President. These people are the vile racist xenophobic members of our society.
Many of the people who voted for Trump though were just ignorant. Some of them already have buyers remorse and it will get much worse.
GP6971
(31,110 posts)had multiple Trump signs on his lawn during the campaign. He kept them up until last month and now they are all gone. Never have talked to him, but looking forward to running into him some day.
Greybnk48
(10,162 posts)Reagan voters the most, until now. I think I need to add Nixon as well. I didn't like him at all, but I didn't hate him. I loathed Reagan, and in the end, hated Bush and his people.
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Martin Eden
(12,844 posts)IMO exploiting the grief and patriotism of 9/11 to launch a costly war in Iraq based on lies was the most egregious betrayal of public trust by a president in our nation's history.
Given the chance, tRump will do worse.
drmeow
(5,012 posts)because he paved the way for Fox News by fast tracking Murdock's citizenship and that is what is really destroying this country.
Trump is tied with Reagan. I have two friends who voted for Trump and it is hard for me to despise them but I don't really interact with them anymore and I wouldn't really care if I never saw them again (I just can't bring myself to unfriend them on FB although I have their feeds hidden).
Foamfollower
(1,097 posts)Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, and now, more than any president in my lifetime, Trump.
GReedDiamond
(5,310 posts)...not a fan of Poppy Bush either, but since he's so old and feeble, I don't think too much about him.
Is he still jumping out of airplanes?
Also, Dubya misAdmin should be Cheney/Dubya in levels of despicableness (is that a word?).
If I had to dig any of em up, living or dead, to be the Least Despised Despised Preznit again, I'd havta go with Tricky Dick Nixon!
TeamPooka
(24,207 posts)bdjhawk
(420 posts)as he is the one who started this stupid obsessive hating of and wanting to decimate the federal government (all the while those states who hate it the most are sucking in the most funds from the feds). Remember his wanting to make the federal government the size of a postage stamp! Now, anytime the Repugs want to get their minions to support screwing the poor, minorities, women, etc. and give huge tax breaks to corporations so they can cut social programs, all they have to do is couch it in terms of a "gubbermint" program or what "the gubbermint" wants and the lemmings will scream about how bad whatever program it is. Whenever he would be on TV with his fake sincere actor voice, I would mute it.
Superiority of the wealthy and white superiority also came back in fashion under Reagan.
What really gets me is how the RWNJs idolize Reagan, especially for being so tough on the Communists/Russia (puffing their chests out and getting tears in their eyes when they see a clip of "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall" , yet show their absolute hypocrisy by completely looking the other way when the Russians put their own pawn in the White House!!!
About a week after tRump's inauguration, I thought to myself "am I going to wear out this mute button" since I had used it so much in just the first week of this miserable administration!
Of course, this new guy sets a whole new standard of low.
Rhett Cohen
(32 posts)Meowmee
(5,164 posts)This is very different. It's a matter of the whole democracy. Yes I despise these wacko fascists for what they've done. I think it's a turning point to realize the pure evil that caused this and that those people will never change. Nixon voters were just as bad in many ways- some are also drumof voters.