Beware of Louise Mensch

[icymist]

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[FakeNoose]

1. OK maybe now we can stop posting her crap on here

This is enough proof for me.

I'm done with Louise Mensch, and I'm done with DU posts about her too.

[bettyellen]

5. Because Milo says so? I don't trust him either.

[DefenseLawyer]

7. She did pose for a picture with him. I haven't done that. Have you? n/t

[bettyellen]

10. Are you known for politics on Twitter? I tweet but those two do the self promoting Twitter bullshit

Why would you trust Milo? If she was doing her job right -wouldn't he be quiet about it? That makes no sense.

Granted, I think she has some okay sources and some questionable ones.. and that she could be fed some real bullshit as a set up. But I do not trust a single word out of Milo- why do you think he'd give up the scam now?

[FakeNoose]

13. Apologies, I wasn't clear

There's no reason for either of them to be discussed on DU.

They're both trolls with evil intentions of one kind or another. I have no interest in getting caught up in this.

I really admire the good people of DU, why is this even an issue here?

Thanks for understanding.

[bettyellen]

18. Well rumours discussed AS rumours are pretty harmless. It's phony to say that's the same as

He GOP and their attempts to spread fake news and discredit real news.

[berksdem]

67. +1

[DefenseLawyer]

15. I can count the number of people I trust on my fingers.

I never said anyone should trust anyone. I merely pointed out that she posed for a picture with an alt-right douchebag.

[bathroommonkey76]

26. Number of lawyers I've trusted in my life:

[DefenseLawyer]

33. Ohhhhh ya got me!

What exactly is a bathroom monkey?

[bathroommonkey76]

35. Is Google broke, Mr. Lebowski?

[DefenseLawyer]

47. No, but my ability to actually care is broken beyond repair

I'm sure it's something clever as fuck though, so I'll just leave it at that.

[bettyellen]

37. Yeah, it's just hard to know who was glomming onto who....

I'm not saying Mensch will turn out to be reliable, but I'm smart enough to not mix up rumours with actual journalism. I know RWers can't but I can.

[bathroommonkey76]

41. There are a number of her stories that have been picked up by actual journalists

I trust Mensch more than most of the corporate owned hacks who helped elect Donald Trump- Where was the journalism during the primaries? The media let him slide during that time. Trusting them to clean up this mess is almost laughable.

[bettyellen]

43. I know I'm glad the leakers are leaking!

[bathroommonkey76]

46. ....

And seeing this tweet today put a smile on my face.

Link to tweet

[LaydeeBug]

39. This is *exactly* why I take her with a grain of salt...Milo the pediphilo, and the "DeVos is

fantastic" remark she made.

Claude Taylor does seem to lend some gravitas and she has repeatedly said that Russian collusion was a hard pass for her...she even did when she praised DeVos.

The salt needs to come in with the FACT that she praised DeVos.

[WinkyDink]

51. Hey, the Pope posed with Trump!

[DefenseLawyer]

54. This is true

So maybe it was a force diplomatic meeting and protocol dictated that photos be taken. I will withhold judgment until that is clarified.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

71. Antonin Scalia and Ruth Ginsberg were good friends. Do you condemn her for that?

Guilt by association is an enticing fallacy.

[DefenseLawyer]

76. RBG and Scalia were co-workers

Perhaps these two are as well.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

77. You make an unsupported assertion without answering the question.

It makes it seem as though you are falling for the guilt by association fallacy, which might work on a jury but is less likely to work on a judge. You have a chance now to clarify whether you have any evidence or if you are falling back on guilt by association.

[DefenseLawyer]

80. I simply said she had her picture taken with an alt right douchebag

That appears to be a fact. I drew no conclusions.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

81. Yes, you are being cute by making heavy insinuations without drawing conclusions.

It's an emotional ploy, but is not convincing in written argument.

[DefenseLawyer]

83. I'm really not arguing anything

Everyone is free to make of that what they will. It's like the old picture of Frank Sinatra with Carlo Gambino and the boys.


That caused a lot of speculation, but at the end of the day it's just a picture.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

84. Then I'd be grateful for you to stop muddying the waters in this thread with your non-arguments. .nt

[LovingA2andMI]

9. It's Doubtful but enlightening for those not willing to fall down...

The Mensch rabbit hole and a deep rabbit hole, it is, for some.

[Madam45for2923]

25. She was friends with him till he came out as ALT-Right, Racist Super-Trumper & Pedo

[SaschaHM]

42. Umm... This photo was right after the election

Milo was a known alt-right super trumper well before that.

[Madam45for2923]

68. Been following her since the elections. Saw & read IRT when she realized how awful Milo was.

The extreme blatant racism and the pedo speech video.

She herself was never a Trumper.

EXCERPT:

Milo Yiannopoulos, the provocateur journalist, and I, were once friendly. And then, due to the alt-right and his support for it, we were not. We were, however, still civil.

Before the recent revelations of Yiannopoulos position on child abuse, he had both a book deal, of some consequence, and was doing a tour of colleges. At Heat Street, we often covered the early stages of that tour, where liberal students would try to deny the conservative provocateur a platform by shouting him down. I was and am in favor of free speech.

However, in the period just before and after the election, those normal “student” protests suddenly became violent. And yet nobody could find the so-called “students” who were causing violent trouble. I started to suspect that Russian ‘active measures’ were involved in funding these riots. The independent journalist Caroline @RVAwonk has a number of good threads on twitter about how Russian-Trump linked provocateurs like Baked Alaska will travel to places like Berkeley, looking to cause trouble.

However, I did not pursue this line of thought as I had other, bigger, fish to fry.

There was one thing on Twitter that caught my notice, however.

END OF EXCERPT.

LINK: https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/25/milo-yiannopoulus-has-an-account-with-a-fisa-targeted-russian-bank/



Your post that I am answering to:

SaschaHM
42. Umm... This photo was right after the election

Milo was a known alt-right super trumper well before that.

[melman]

59. When was Milo something besides a reprehensible scumbag?

Please do tell.

[deurbano]

61. I blinked and missed it.

[Madam45for2923]

72. Yes I am disgusted by him & satisfied that LM is not friends with him.

[Madam45for2923]

73. Yes I am disgusted by him & satisfied that LM is not friends with him.

[FarPoint]

28. Makes my day if that can happen.

Folks can be slow on the uptake at times.

[SoCalNative]

2. And you're going to believe that worthless POS because?

[NightWatcher]

3. So we're to take Milo's word?

I don't care what Louise posts. I do like to see what might come out and then what does eventually come out.

[Mike Nelson]

4. Agreed...

...she's there to make progressives look wacky.

[Madam45for2923]

29. Wow! and well meaning Milo came to the rescue-- or something! Woah! Sarcasm

[Siwsan]

6. I don't know - could this be Milo's attempt to attempt to be relevant, again?

[yodermon]

8. I'll take Louise over that fucking pedophile any day of the week.

Oh here is Mench's latest on, wait for it, MILO:

https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/25/milo-yiannopoulus-has-an-account-with-a-fisa-targeted-russian-bank/

Milo Yiannopoulus Has An Account With a FISA-Targeted Russian Bank
On October 15th the FISC, or secret intelligence court, granted a FISA warrant against two Russian banks – Silicon Valley Bank and Alfa Bank. (That is, as I have reported subsequently, two warrants, one per bank, granted on the same day.)

Milo Yiannopoulos has an account at one of these banks. He told me this himself. I reproduce the string of our email correspondence below.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

74. I think you mean SBerBank (SBB), NOT Silicon Valley Bank (SVB).

Last edited Thu May 25, 2017, 07:51 PM - Edit history (1)

Russian 'B' is pronounced 'Vee', hence the confusion.

I can't find any hint of Russian ownership of Silicon Valley Bank.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Valley_Bank
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sberbank_of_Russia

[flyingfysh]

11. She says stuff that people hope is true

But she never provides evidence. I see no reason to believe anything she says.
If she is trying to take us into conspiracy theories, she is failing.

[wildeyed]

12. More done with Milo Yainndpls.

A virulent, racist troll say she is a troll, so we should beware? COME ON! Yianoongfijs is Trump's creature. There are legit reasons to question Mensch, but this isn't one of them.

[BannonsLiver]

14. NO surprise

I think many DUers have been played by Louise.

[tazkcmo]

60. And some by Milo.

But how has Mensch played some DUers? Personally, I've only paid attention to her tweets concerning Russiagate and she's been very clear about rumor vs leak and has been pretty much on the money. I am aware that in other areas she has gone off the deep end. Her Right wing credentials are no secret either. As for trusting her, the only person I trusted with out the slightest doubt I was being told the truth was Walter Cronkite and none have risen to that level of trust since.

What I don't get is the criticizing of Mensch using a piece of walking, talking shit like this Milo ass. That's rich because there's legitimate reasons to use a degree of caution when reading her tweets and should be s.o.p. when reading anything on the Internet. But Milo creep? Ick.

[awesomerwb1]

16. Riiiiiight Milo.....

Listen guys. I'm not a Mensch fan. With me it's more like a "meh- would be awesome if true but MEH' kinda thing.

But to use this moran to discredit -anyone- is pretty laughable. Why would he blow her cover in 2017 if they're both on the same side?
"He'd be guaranteed a second term....she has delivered". So it's 2020 and the results are in?

[Madam45for2923]

30. Exactly!

[Mr. Ected]

17. If her revelations about Trump/Russia are proven to be incorrect

By the passage of time and the introduction of evidence to the contrary, I will dismiss Louise Mensch's prognostications outright.

However, we are in that period of time between scoop and proof, and many of us may be jumping the gun.

If the idea is to demonize Louise Mensch, the question is, what is the motivation? I'm not interested in Louise Mensch. I'm interested in the information that she is reporting. It's too early to dismiss it. Period.

[LaydeeBug]

44. Yes. This all day. nt

[wishstar]

19. Milo is lashing out at her due to her latest article linking him to Russian SVB Bank(FISA warrant)

These two former friends are having a public spat that she explained in her latest article where she says she parted company with him over his alt-right extremism but she also criticizes him for owing money to people and wonders why he banked with SVB.

In the article she says she questioned him about how he came to bank with Russian linked SVB and says she has sent their email correspondences to to FBI since this bank was target of FISA warrant.

https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/25/milo-yiannopoulus-has-an-account-with-a-fisa-targeted-russian-bank/

So maybe she is trying to boost her credibility with liberals by dissing Milo? Who knows since Louise's motives are questionable and her speculations and theories are unreliable since they are not credibly sourced, but mostly just her hunches based on some published info with grains of truth that she links together as possible connections in her theories.

By contrast to them and Claude Taylor, Seth Abramson who has been in a twitter spat with her seems much more credible and has a very good recent thread where he explains his take on the current status of the Trump/Russia investigations. His tweets seem much more fact based, well-thought out and responsible.

[Madam45for2923]

32. She was friends with him till he came out as ALT-Right, Racist Super-Trumper & Pedo

[Madam45for2923]

20. Wow! How nice of Milo to let us know! Total hero! - sarcasm-

Go Louise!

[toddwv]

21. Everyone should take the twit-o-sphere with a health dose of skepticism.

However, this thread is inappropriate for the DU since it cites a known alt-right personality.

[NCTraveler]

22. Beware of trusting anything Milo says. Nt

[Blue_Tires]

23. So now we're taking Milo at his word? Holy shit...

Y'all are chasing your own tails and running around in circles...

[Tommy_Carcetti]

24. I don't know if I trust Louise Mensch or not. Only time will tell.

However, I will say I will never trust the walking, talking backpfeifengesicht that is Milo Yiannopoulos.

[BeyondGeography]

27. I'm waiting to hear what Otis says

[HopeAgain]

31. I only wish anything coming from Mensch be posted with her name in the tagline

So I won't waste time opening the thread.

Thank you for your cooperation going forward

[progressoid]

65. Yes!

[librechik]

34. yeah, cuz MIlo has never put out fake news

[ucrdem]

36. I think the tweet is from Seth Abramson

the Bernie-supporting poet-professor. For some reason the attachment is at the top and the message is on the bottom, adding to the general FUBAR that is Twitter.

[pnwmom]

53. Yes, but the fact that Abramson is citing Milo shows that Abramson

can't be trusted.

[njhoneybadger]

38. Most people take what she says with a grain of salt.

There is plenty of credible information coming out everyday now.

[cwydro]

40. I can't believe how many here believe her.

They're both trolls imo.

[WinkyDink]

52. Time will tell, will it not?

[cwydro]

56. Yes indeed. nt

[SaschaHM]

45. I take what she says with a healthy dose of salt...

Posing for pictures w/ Milo after the election is super suspicious though.

[pnwmom]

49. Oh, right. But we're supposed to believe MILO YIANNOPAULOS!??????

Obvious proof that this is a lie: saying Mensch's campaign against DT began right after the election. She has been a vociferous never-Trumper since March 2016.

[elmac]

55. Its well known that she runs in right wing circles but

the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Take everything they say, run it through the fake news filter and decide for yourself.

[Squinch]

57. Well. I WAS taking her with a grain of salt. But if MILO says not to trust her, I'm going to read

every word of hers and give her the benefit of the doubt.

[mwooldri]

58. "Conservative MP" who resigned mid term.

The words "Conservative MP" are enough to put me on guard. Resigned mid term... I wonder what other leading female political figure did this?

[progressoid]

63. Yup. N/T

[pennylane100]

66. I have been away from UK for many years.

However, I think that a UK conservative would be considered a moderate in the US.

[Worktodo]

62. Ugh with the whole lot of them

Just say no to trolls. Not worth anyone's time or attention.

[Starry Messenger]

64. I think all of the people in this convo have problems, including Seth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/on-bernie-sanders-and-exp_b_10077684.html

I'll just leave it at that.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

69. You fell for the contention from an untrustworthy source 100x worse than Mensch ever was

The contention is from Yiannopoulos, an untrustworthy source one hundred times worse than Mensch has been alleged to be, or ever was, or ever will be.

Yiannopolous has an obvious ulterior motive to discredit Mensch by making up a ridiculous statement.

Mensch has done much more to take down tRump and keep Trump-Russia in the forefront than the opposite.

Duh.

[enid602]

70. Louise

Wow! A journalist in a hotel on election night!!!!! This is huuuuuge!!!! I think someone should turn Hannity on to this development.

[mainer]

75. Mensch response. Looks like they had a falling out

Milo Yiannopoulos, the provocateur journalist, and I, were once friendly. And then, due to the alt-right and his support for it, we were not. We were, however, still civil.

Before the recent revelations of Yiannopoulos position on child abuse, he had both a book deal, of some consequence, and was doing a tour of colleges. At Heat Street, we often covered the early stages of that tour, where liberal students would try to deny the conservative provocateur a platform by shouting him down. I was and am in favor of free speech.

However, in the period just before and after the election, those normal “student” protests suddenly became violent. And yet nobody could find the so-called “students” who were causing violent trouble. I started to suspect that Russian ‘active measures’ were involved in funding these riots. The independent journalist Caroline @RVAwonk has a number of good threads on twitter about how Russian-Trump linked provocateurs like Baked Alaska will travel to places like Berkeley, looking to cause trouble.

https://patribotics.blog/2017/05/25/milo-yiannopoulus-has-an-account-with-a-fisa-targeted-russian-bank/

[chillfactor]

78. give it up already......

Mensch is vilified on here so much but a story she broke yesterday was verified by WaPo and NBC today. The second story of hers verified in just the last few days.

[bettyellen]

79. Well she called this Kushner thing a while back, lol... as did Taylor.

Why isn't anyone starting threads against Claude Taylor?

Have we hit our limit on witch hunts?

[L. Coyote]

82. Beware of Seth Abramson, the troll trolling you with this trolling tweet.

Obviously you are not fully informed on who these actors are and their relationships.

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