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eomer (167 posts) (Reply to Marym625 - post #29) May 24, 2017 at 7:40 am
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32. I think we have to carry on despite the family's wishes.
We have an interest in this case that is separate and different than theirs and we’re entitled to. Society has a strong interest in justice in a case like this, both a case of murder and especially a case of murder to prevent true information about wrongdoing of the powerful from being brought to the public. Seth’s family doesn’t get a veto over the stakeholder position that we inherently hold.
And they don’t automatically speak for Seth in any event. There are many different degrees to which a family is capable of being a proxy for a loved one in a matter like this. No one in my family would be able to represent my own wishes in such a case – none of them are close to sharing my world view, not even my spouse (although she acknowledges such and would accurately say that she is evolving in my direction).
Seth’s family complain about associating Seth with a conspiracy to leak from the DNC, apparently feeling that it would bring shame to him and their family. Most of us here think that to the contrary it would make him a hero. If it turns out to be true then Seth himself was in line with our position rather than his family’s. If it’s true then in a way we’re better proxies for his interests than his family is.
And there are signs that Seth’s family is under the manipulation of Democratic Party operatives. One more reason to not defer to their wishes.
I do think we can be as respectful as possible in the process (as Hannity said he’s going to try to do on his show last night) but not to any extent that would hinder the honest and honorable effort to bring truth and justice to this case.
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Marym625 (18726 posts) (Reply to eomer - post #32) May 24, 2017 at 9:33 am
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35. We have no right to determine if the family
Is speaking for what Seth Rich would want or not. We did not know him. The only thing we know is, if he was the source, he wanted that kept quiet. We have no place in representing Seth in any way.
Hannity is an asswipe. Always was, always will be. If he can be respectful, which I doubt, and is actually trying to find truth and not just being a dick to go after the left, fine. But I’m not going to hold my breath.
We can look for truth and demand investigation without jumping on every little wild story out there. And, sorry, but someone who claims to have the information proving Seth Rich was the source for the leak, and continually refuses to release anything, needs to stfu or put up.
In my mind, at this point, Kim dotcom is grandstanding.
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eomer (167 posts) (Reply to Marym625 - post #35) May 24, 2017 at 1:24 pm
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37. What's at stake is too big for the Rich family to have a veto.
Caitlin Johnstone’s latest is: Why You Should Definitely Keep Talking About Seth Rich
She makes the case that we’re at an extremely dangerous moment in time and that the Russia hysteria is being used to constrain Trump from pulling back from the US aggressive posture toward Russia in the Baltics, in Urkraine, and in Syria. And that, for this and other reasons, it is critical that the research and discussion about the Seth Rich case should continue.
Here’s an excerpt (much more in the article):
And this is why it is frankly irrelevant what Seth Rich’s family thinks of the public interest in his case. Obviously yes, leave the family themselves alone; don’t contact them, don’t harass them, leave them be. But if Rich was the DNC leaker, the life of every single living organism on earth may depend upon the public gaining access to that knowledge. This is infinitely more important than one family’s feelings about American public discourse. If there’s even the slightest chance that these dangerous escalations can be drawn down by the public learning that Russia was not the source of the DNC leaks, no one on earth has any business telling us to stop looking into that possibility.
So keep talking about Seth Rich. If anyone tries to tell you not to, ask them if they’re willing to risk the life of every living organism on earth in order to silence this controversy. If they bring up WaPo’s article about his parents or the factually erroneous statement given to Fox News by Aaron Rich, ask them if a family’s feelings and opinions are more important than the life of every terrestrial life form combined. Push this issue. Insist that they address it clearly and rationally. Make them explain in detail why a family’s feelings should take precedence over this very real risk.
America’s power establishment desperately does not want you talking about Seth Rich, which is another very good reason to keep talking about Seth Rich. The frantic attempts of the establishment propaganda machine to silence the questions (in a nation which legalized the use of media psy-ops upon its own citizens in 2013, by the way) have already reached cartoonish, hysterical levels; think how desperate they’ll get if we keep pushing this thing? We can force them to overextend themselves and do some really ridiculous things, which will expose even more plot holes in their narrative. Already we’ve got WaPo preemptively claiming that even if Seth Rich does turn out to be the DNC leaker it won’t stop Russiagate, and we’re just getting started here.
So keep talking about Seth Rich. Remember, the best way to bring democracy and justice to America is to constantly attack the deep state’s propaganda machine, and we’ve really got it against the ropes with this one. Even if it’s just tweeting “#SethRich died under extremely suspicious circumstances” every few hours, you’re throwing that much sand in the gears of the machine. Every little bit helps.
I agree with Caitlin.
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