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sheshe2

(83,597 posts)
Sat May 27, 2017, 04:44 PM May 2017

The Intelligence Community is Deadly Serious

The Intelligence Community is Deadly Serious

by BooMan
Sat May 27th, 2017 at 10:03:31 AM EST


My internet is down and will be down according to Verizon until late this afternoon. It crashed at the exact same time as every Russian story in the universe hit the webs last night. So, I’m using my phone’s hotspot to connect and that’s a little expensive. As a result, I’ll keep this shorter than I otherwise would.

One way I can tell the Intelligence Community is loaded for bear and deadly serious about taking the Trump administration down is that former high-and-low ranking officers are coming out of the woodwork to shovel dirt on The Donald.


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“But I can’t keep out of my mind the thought that, if an American intelligence officer had done anything like this, we’d consider it espionage.”

But I have a simpler way of gauging this. When the Allies cracked the Nazi’s ENIGMA encryption during World War Two they allowed people to march into certain death rather than risk revealing that they could read the Germans’ internal communications. But the fact that we intercepted the Russian ambassador’s communications with the Kremlin was just presented as the evidence for Jared Kushner wanting to set up a private network with Moscow. That should be the most closely guarded secret we have, or close to it. So, to just go ahead and risk losing that capability is an indication of how serious of a risk they think Trump represents.

They would never reveal that information unless they thought removing Trump from power was a higher priority and that this information could lead to that outcome.

Read More:http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2017/5/27/10331/3082

Looks like Donnie has F**Ked with the wrong people.

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The Intelligence Community is Deadly Serious (Original Post) sheshe2 May 2017 OP
with re: to your last paragraph, perhaps it is Russia that secreted this info to WaPo? hlthe2b May 2017 #1
Not disagreeing it could have come from outside ProudLib72 May 2017 #2
yes, indeed. hlthe2b May 2017 #5
yes...indeed. sheshe2 May 2017 #8
To what end? Ruining a good thing? WinkyDink May 2017 #3
If anyone is capable of 3 dimensional chess, I'd say it is Putin. hlthe2b May 2017 #6
Devious for sure, but his control of the US is at stake. WinkyDink May 2017 #15
if (isChaos(WesternWorld)) Russia++; William Seger May 2017 #26
(understood) lastlib May 2017 #31
Wash. Post says leaks came from US Govt officials who were briefed on the intelligence wishstar May 2017 #11
Probably IC knows that Russian already knows that we intercepted those communications. . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #13
It could very well be. Turbineguy May 2017 #39
Possible, but more likely someone like, say, Christopher Steele JohnQFunk May 2017 #40
Looks like the Intel community is screaming as loud as possible uponit7771 May 2017 #4
Ickle little Donnie 2 Scoops press briefings are being replaced HipChick May 2017 #7
Yes they are all compromised. sheshe2 May 2017 #10
OMG, GREAT Mob name! "Little Donnie Two-Scoops"! Bwahaha! WinkyDink May 2017 #16
Yep malaise May 2017 #9
Yea...greed and power. sheshe2 May 2017 #27
For allegedly smart people how dumb can they get not to know the Russian ambassador's... brush May 2017 #12
Donnie does not know.. Stuart G May 2017 #14
Yeah, he's not really up on the "I" part of "IC." WinkyDink May 2017 #17
OUtstanding....."he's not really up on the "I" part of the "IC" Stuart G May 2017 #18
HA-HA! So true! Mountain Mule May 2017 #35
The current administration does not realize that it is not out of the realm of possibility that LiberalArkie May 2017 #23
The most overused phrase being heard constantly at the a White House: world wide wally May 2017 #25
Yor ditty is so true, Stuart. sheshe2 May 2017 #28
Trump told where our submarines are and how many - usually above Top Secret. keithbvadu2 May 2017 #19
Good Point....He is not too smart.... Stuart G May 2017 #20
Ha! sheshe2 May 2017 #29
Problem is impeachment is a political process. The Intell kairos12 May 2017 #21
It does look that way...but stranger things have happened in politics. Stuart G May 2017 #22
There will come a point...not sure when, sheshe2 May 2017 #30
They are patriots and this is how they are "resisting", now it's your turn and mine. BigmanPigman May 2017 #32
They have had this mercuryblues May 2017 #24
I should hope so! sandensea May 2017 #33
I'm not sure I agree bucolic_frolic May 2017 #34
This is exactly right. Also, IC has a PR strategy. american_ideals May 2017 #36
That's our President... Marie Marie May 2017 #37
Fox enid602 May 2017 #38
Seriously apt reasoning here. byronius May 2017 #41
American patriots cannot stand by and watch... yallerdawg May 2017 #42
It's about our institutions OldRedneck May 2017 #43
It's not out of the realm of possibilities that the Russians KNOW we are listening Ligyron May 2017 #44

hlthe2b

(102,084 posts)
1. with re: to your last paragraph, perhaps it is Russia that secreted this info to WaPo?
Sat May 27, 2017, 04:48 PM
May 2017

If, intelligence did leak it, then yes, it is astounding because of what it reveals in terms of our capabilities, but maybe it was Putin's crew....?

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
2. Not disagreeing it could have come from outside
Sat May 27, 2017, 04:56 PM
May 2017

But it might be from an ally, too. There are some ally countries sitting on major intel. They see that the WH is setting up a war room to combat the Russia probe and figure that the American public will resist if they are made aware of some of the juicier bits. It might very well be blowback from tRump leaking their intel over the last few weeks.

hlthe2b

(102,084 posts)
6. If anyone is capable of 3 dimensional chess, I'd say it is Putin.
Sat May 27, 2017, 05:23 PM
May 2017

I'd bet that he is more than willing to both hurt and help his little Trump puppet, to keep him in line.

Turbineguy

(37,278 posts)
39. It could very well be.
Sat May 27, 2017, 07:36 PM
May 2017

Putin might be cutting his losses and shutting down this operation. It has not gone well because his partner Trump fucked it up with his big mouth. After all, he could have negotiated something with President Hillary Clinton.

It could be that the biggest Russian intelligence operation since "The Trust" is ending.

JohnQFunk

(408 posts)
40. Possible, but more likely someone like, say, Christopher Steele
Sat May 27, 2017, 07:38 PM
May 2017

One can only hope the "pee video" turns up.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
7. Ickle little Donnie 2 Scoops press briefings are being replaced
Sat May 27, 2017, 05:26 PM
May 2017

with Breaking News IC leaks...

I'll take the latter for truth...the entire WH is compromised...

brush

(53,724 posts)
12. For allegedly smart people how dumb can they get not to know the Russian ambassador's...
Sat May 27, 2017, 05:41 PM
May 2017

communications would be monitored by our intel community.

They learned of Kushner's attempt to set up a back channel of communication to the Kremlin this way.

This a-hole should be charged with treason for this.

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
14. Donnie does not know..
Sat May 27, 2017, 05:55 PM
May 2017

The intelligence community will bring him down

"Looks like Donnie has F**Ked with the wrong people"..... YEP

....No truer words have ever been spoken....

...Donnie does not know...
...Donnie will be the show
IC will take him down,
Because he is a stupid clown.....

.

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
18. OUtstanding....."he's not really up on the "I" part of the "IC"
Sat May 27, 2017, 06:04 PM
May 2017

.......... Yes you totally correct................. to you

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
23. The current administration does not realize that it is not out of the realm of possibility that
Sat May 27, 2017, 06:15 PM
May 2017

a foreign fighter might be borrowed and the Air Force 1 might be shot down to end the madness.

world wide wally

(21,733 posts)
25. The most overused phrase being heard constantly at the a White House:
Sat May 27, 2017, 06:24 PM
May 2017

"We'll tell them............ Blah blah blah"

keithbvadu2

(36,626 posts)
19. Trump told where our submarines are and how many - usually above Top Secret.
Sat May 27, 2017, 06:05 PM
May 2017

Trump told where our submarines are and how many - usually above Top Secret.

Have you heard Putin and China bragging such info?

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
20. Good Point....He is not too smart....
Sat May 27, 2017, 06:12 PM
May 2017

He is not too smart.
He has no heart
There is no brain to be found
Even if one looks around
....................................................................oh my
..........................................that one is not so good.........

kairos12

(12,841 posts)
21. Problem is impeachment is a political process. The Intell
Sat May 27, 2017, 06:13 PM
May 2017

community has no votes in Congress. The Reich Wing will never, ever remove Drumpt.

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
22. It does look that way...but stranger things have happened in politics.
Sat May 27, 2017, 06:15 PM
May 2017

and indeed, this show is one of the stranger things.....

sheshe2

(83,597 posts)
30. There will come a point...not sure when,
Sat May 27, 2017, 06:42 PM
May 2017

that they will have to fold. The longer they wait the higher price they will pay. I think a lot of them are shitting their pants now. Clock is ticking.

BigmanPigman

(51,554 posts)
32. They are patriots and this is how they are "resisting", now it's your turn and mine.
Sat May 27, 2017, 07:06 PM
May 2017

We can't wait for 2018. We must spread the word that an INDEPENDANT INVESTIGATION MUST BEGIN NOW! Call congress (202)225-3121 to pass the bill introduced by house dems calling for an independant commission. Nothing will happen unless this gets done immediately. #Marchfortruth rallies next weekend in 110+ cities and Wash DC. Right now Bannon and the Donald's family(meeting with GOP) are working hard to crush this and they will succeed unless we speak up!

mercuryblues

(14,519 posts)
24. They have had this
Sat May 27, 2017, 06:18 PM
May 2017

info for months. That they have released it now makes me think there is something bigger coming down. They are also leaking it to make sure this doesn't get covered up. They are daring the republicans to do something. The more the russublicans ignore this, more gets leaked, the wider the net.

McConnell has a choice. Go down with the rats or jump ship and rat them out to save his cheese. Of course he will have to retire from public office, but with his millions he won't be hurting.

sandensea

(21,589 posts)
33. I should hope so!
Sat May 27, 2017, 07:06 PM
May 2017

These are agencies created FOR THE VERY PURPOSE for monitoring and preventing attempts by foreign powers - particularly of the Soviet/Russian kind - to influence or subvert our government.

I don't know how many more shoes have to drop for our Intelligence services to see that we're here folks.

bucolic_frolic

(43,007 posts)
34. I'm not sure I agree
Sat May 27, 2017, 07:08 PM
May 2017

It could be as stated by the article

But also, it is not news that perhaps ALL governments listen to each other, or
have the capacity to listen to each other. This has been going on a long time,
so we're not revealing much by confirming to Russia that we have ears.

american_ideals

(613 posts)
36. This is exactly right. Also, IC has a PR strategy.
Sat May 27, 2017, 07:14 PM
May 2017

In addition to the government being willing to burn sources (which will harm America now and in future) to get this ruling family into jail, the government has a PR strategy.

There are a few articles every day. They are letting the story come out slowly, to let Americans wrap their heads around this story, which is the biggest scandal in American history with just what we know now.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
37. That's our President...
Sat May 27, 2017, 07:24 PM
May 2017

Making friends with our enemies and making enemies with our allies. But screwing with our intelligence agencies just goes to show how STUPID this jerk is.

enid602

(8,587 posts)
38. Fox
Sat May 27, 2017, 07:32 PM
May 2017

I hope your internet outage was not intentional. We may see more soon. I'm at an LA Fitness in Phoenix, and all 14 TV's upstairs are on Fox. I complained vociferously, but management did not change them.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
42. American patriots cannot stand by and watch...
Sat May 27, 2017, 07:46 PM
May 2017

this traitorous criminal enterprise destroy our country.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
43. It's about our institutions
Sat May 27, 2017, 07:48 PM
May 2017

In the wake of Trump's firing of James Comey, and now, with the latest revelations about the Trump family trying to set up secret communications with Russia, we now hear calls to "trust our institutions." Such calls are rooted in the belief that the institutions formed by our Constitution, laws and history are strong enough to withstand the occasional attack.

Not so.

In his recent work "On Tyranny," Yale historian Timothy Snyder examines twenty characteristics of the tyrannies that swept away democratic republics in Europe after both world wars. Snyder writes: " We tend to assume that institutions will automatically maintain themselves against even the most direct attacks." He then describes how Hitler and the Russian Bolsheviks destroyed institutions by depriving them of legitimacy.

Trump's senior advisor, Steve Bannon, describes our institutions, not as something to be protected and cherished, but as the "deep state," which is to be rooted out and destroyed.

Now we see that Trump himself is directly attacking our institutions. He fired and has not replaced every US attorney. Although he ha filled his cabinet secretary positions, he refuses to nominate people to the deputy, assistant, and deputy assistant secretary positions. Trump claims one of our most important institutions -- the free press -- is "the enemy of the American people." Now we learn that he so hates the institutions he is attempting to circumvent those institutions to talk directly with our most dangerous adversary.

Justice William Douglas warned us: “As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware of change in the air – however slight – lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.”

Trump is well on his way to destroying the very institutions that have protected us from tyranny; night is falling.

Ligyron

(7,615 posts)
44. It's not out of the realm of possibilities that the Russians KNOW we are listening
Sat May 27, 2017, 07:49 PM
May 2017

and could feed us bogus info to steer the American conversation.

We do realize this, right?

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