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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
Sat May 27, 2017, 04:59 PM May 2017

Physicians for a National Health Program support single-payer national health insurance.

Who is PNHP
Physicians for a National Health Program is a non-profit research and education organization of 20,000 physicians, medical students and health professionals who support single-payer national health insurance.





http://www.pnhp.org/about/about-pnhp

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Physicians for a National Health Program support single-payer national health insurance. (Original Post) kristopher May 2017 OP
DURec leftstreet May 2017 #1
Thank you so much for sharing...I had never heard of this organization! bresue May 2017 #2
K and R panader0 May 2017 #3
Bout damn time!!!!! eom a kennedy May 2017 #4
This group has been around for years, but.... northoftheborder May 2017 #5
First of all, everybody has got to figure out what they mean and what they will accept. Pros and con MiddleClass May 2017 #6
PNHP Mission Statement kristopher May 2017 #7
I'm for that. MiddleClass May 2017 #8
Is national health insurance socialized medicine? kristopher May 2017 #9
Exactly Khristopher, the better we explain it, MiddleClass May 2017 #10
Won't single payer bankrupt the U.S.? kristopher May 2017 #11

northoftheborder

(7,572 posts)
5. This group has been around for years, but....
Sat May 27, 2017, 06:38 PM
May 2017

....haven't seemed to be paid much attention to by the lawmakers. I hope they keep speaking up in a greater way.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
6. First of all, everybody has got to figure out what they mean and what they will accept. Pros and con
Sat May 27, 2017, 06:58 PM
May 2017

Find out what you personally would rather, would accept, would work towards.

But me explain,

Bernie, wants what he calls "Medicare for all" which it's not (sorry, Bernie. I love you man). Its government run health.

Hillary, wants, what would be a public option in Obama care, Bernie, bought in when the public option was just the ability to buy into Medicare. Which I think is doable, why not just lower Medicare from 65 to 55 and call it a day.

That way everybody above 55 can be covered by their work. Insurance and fall back on Medicare if they get laid off or uninsurable for any reason.

I am not for making the perfect the enemy of the good. Solve the biggest problem first and regroup at that point, time would be on our side, unlike now

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
7. PNHP Mission Statement
Sat May 27, 2017, 07:21 PM
May 2017

FAQ: http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq

http://www.pnhp.org/themes/PNHP/images/quotes/random.php

PNHP Mission Statement
Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP) advocates for universal, comprehensive single-payer national health insurance.

PNHP believes that access to high-quality health care is a right of all people and should be provided equitably as a public service rather than bought and sold as a commodity.

The mission of PNHP is therefore to educate physicians, other health workers, and the general public on the need for a comprehensive, high-quality, publicly-funded health care program, equitably-accessible to all residents of the United States.

Equitable accessibility requires, in the view of PNHP, removal of the barriers to adequate health care currently faced by the uninsured, the poor, minority populations and immigrants, both documented and undocumented.

PNHP views this campaign as part of the campaign for social justice in the United States. PNHP opposes for-profit control, and especially corporate control, of the health system and favors democratic control, public administration, and single-payer financing.

PNHP believes this program should be financed by truly progressive taxation. PNHP actively opposes current changes in the health care system that are designed to maximize the profits of investors and the incomes of high-level executives rather than to serve patients.

PNHP's goal is the restoration of what it views as the primary mission of physicians, acting as professional advocates for our patients.

PNHP is an independent, non-partisan, voluntary organization. PNHP's work is supported by our members' dues and contributions, and by grants from progressive foundations; it accepts no funding from pharmaceutical companies or other for-profit entities. PNHP organizes physicians, medical students, other health workers, and the public in support of this program and promotes discussion of health policy in the U.S. through conferences, lectures, articles, and other methods.

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
8. I'm for that.
Sat May 27, 2017, 09:19 PM
May 2017

It would be great if we can harvest the whole tree.

But I'm not going to leave the low hanging fruit untouched, demanding the whole tree or orchard for that matter

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
9. Is national health insurance socialized medicine?
Sat May 27, 2017, 10:32 PM
May 2017

Is national health insurance ‘socialized medicine’?

No. Socialized medicine is a system in which doctors and hospitals work for and draw salaries from the government. Doctors in the Veterans Administration and the Armed Services are paid this way. The health systems in Great Britain and Spain are other examples. But in most European countries, Canada, Australia and Japan they have socialized health insurance, not socialized medicine. The government pays for care that is delivered in the private (mostly not-for-profit) sector. This is similar to how Medicare works in this country. Doctors are in private practice and are paid on a fee-for-service basis from government funds. The government does not own or manage medical practices or hospitals.

The term socialized medicine is often used to conjure up images of government bureaucratic interference in medical care. That does not describe what happens in countries with national health insurance where doctors and patients often have more clinical freedom than in the U.S., where bureaucrats attempt to direct care.

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq

MiddleClass

(888 posts)
10. Exactly Khristopher, the better we explain it,
Sun May 28, 2017, 04:32 PM
May 2017

The less resistance, we can expect from healthcare providers, hospitals and Republicans

I believe Germany. They have socialize insurance, not socialized medicine,

when Obama care was looking for the most efficient system, they zeroed in on Taiwan, which is a hybrid, mostly geared to socialized health care. Better if your starting from scratch, but were not.

They settled on the German model, and then the Romney model because it was more doable (getting votes for) with the public option as the subsidized system for affordability (Medicare, 98 percent of every dollar goes to care) because a warehouse in Baltimore is a lot cheaper than a premium property alongside Trump Tower, no advertising budget, no dividends, no astronomical executive pay.

But that's water under the bridge, they killed the public option.

Repealing Obama care will damage millions of hospitals that would lose "adjustment payments" which are offsets for unpaid for care (people that can't or won't pay their bill). Republicans don't comprehend the damage they're going to do. Repealing the ACA

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
11. Won't single payer bankrupt the U.S.?
Mon May 29, 2017, 03:05 PM
May 2017

Won't single payer bankrupt the U.S.?

No, single payer will actually save money by slashing wasteful bureaucracy and adopting proven-effective cost controls like fee schedules, global budgets for hospitals, and negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical companies. The savings - over $500 billion per year on overhead alone - are more than enough to cover all the uninsured. It turns out that it is much more expensive to keep patients away from health care in our current fragmented, market-based system than to provide care to all under an administratively simple single payer system.

Administrative overhead (also known as "transaction costs&quot consumes one-third of current health spending in the U.S., a much higher share than in Canada or other nations. A recent paper on hospital administrative costs found that they consume 25 percent of the budgets of U.S. hospitals, compared to 12 percent in Canada and Scotland. Reducing hospital administrative costs to Canadian levels would save $150 billion a year alone.

Over the long-term, controlling the rise in health inflation saves even more money. Without reform, the U.S. is headed towards spending 20 percent of our GDP on health care within a decade (twice as much as other nations with universal coverage), even as we leave 27 million people uninsured and tens of millions more underinsured.

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-faq

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