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babylonsister

(171,035 posts)
Sun May 28, 2017, 06:40 AM May 2017

Roger Waters Brings Powerful Anti-Trump Message On New Tour, Offending Some Fans

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May 27, 2017
Roger Waters Brings Powerful Anti-Trump Message On New Tour, Offending Some Fans
Rob Cotton




Roger Waters kicked off his “Us and Them” tour last night in Kansas City, Missouri, and at least a few fans were not happy with the legendary Pink Floyd artist for including anti-Trump messages in the show. According to the Kansas City Star, some fans walked out while Roger Waters and his band played the Pink Floyd song “Money,” while images of Trump’s failed casinos, Russian buildings, and photos of Kremlin officials flashed on the large screens surrounding the stage. One fan raised his middle finger toward the stage as he left the Sprint Center arena, apparently upset that a notoriously politically-conscious artist was including political themes in his show.

If people are surprised that Roger Waters has suddenly gone political, they must not have been paying attention to his career for the past half century. As early as 1968, Waters was touching on political themes in his writing. The song “Corporal Clegg” off the second Pink Floyd album, A Saucerful of Secrets, is about a soldier who lost his leg in World War II, a war which claimed the life of Roger Waters’s father. Roger Waters would later allude to his father’s death in the war in the song “Free Four” off of the 1972 album Obscured By Clouds, according to the Pink Floyd Lyrics website.

Roger Waters’s lyrics would only become increasingly political over the years, culminating in Pink Floyd’s first explicitly political album, Animals, released in 1977. When Waters played a song from Animals, “Pigs (Three Different Ones),” at his Kansas City performance last night, it was accompanied by incendiary images of Donald Trump on the big screens surrounding the stage. The song begins with the line, “big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are,” and as Waters sang the line a scowling image of Donald Trump flashed on the screens with the word “charade” beneath his face. During the song’s guitar solo, a giant inflatable pig floated above the crowd with the phrase “piggy bank of war” written on the side, accompanied by dollar signs and other political imagery.

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“He’s only been sharing his sometimes unpopular views for 45 years minimum. Wake up people and stop f**king complaining. Roger is not going to tailor his performance to you. It’s his show, not ours. He writes the songs, and we are just lucky enough to hear them.”
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Roger Waters Brings Powerful Anti-Trump Message On New Tour, Offending Some Fans (Original Post) babylonsister May 2017 OP
Roger Waters and PF are taking back *their* song that seems to have been appropriated by Trump. no_hypocrisy May 2017 #1
Poor sensitive snowflakes BootinUp May 2017 #2
Well, BigOleDummy May 2017 #3
One of the best live shows I have seen in my lifetime. JTFrog May 2017 #13
if you have never been to Floyd concert you need to at least go see Waters! samnsara May 2017 #16
I admit RW can be an ass at times, but DonCoquixote May 2017 #4
Great points BeyondGeography May 2017 #17
what is funny is DonCoquixote May 2017 #37
Interesting observations! Vinnie From Indy May 2017 #39
Roger Waters "gets it". He nails it with drumpf. Left-over May 2017 #5
I don't think he cares who walked out mdbl May 2017 #6
me too!!.. I have my Echo playing Floyd all the time... samnsara May 2017 #14
Waters does not care DonCoquixote May 2017 #38
Especially since they already bought tickets gratuitous May 2017 #40
just proves "some fans" also pigs!. . . .n/t annabanana May 2017 #7
No true artist has ever supported, or could support, a Fascist. Only sell-outs can. WinkyDink May 2017 #8
Dali was a fascist Nevernose May 2017 #43
That'll learn me to be, to quote Tom Cruise, glib! WinkyDink May 2017 #44
K&R. n/t ms liberty May 2017 #9
Boo Hoo.....we got another shot in to diss Dump....and It makes me happy! onecent May 2017 #10
oddly enough that tune has often popped up in my head while I've read headlines about 45 and friends luvMIdog May 2017 #11
wow way to go FLOYD! samnsara May 2017 #12
To put on a show like this in L.A. or New York would be one thing... ClusterFreak May 2017 #15
Good. Glad they walked. Probably made the experience better for everyone else. JTFrog May 2017 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author JCMach1 May 2017 #19
I love music that has an allegory nolabels May 2017 #20
His new concert visuals for that song are Trumptastic!! progressoid May 2017 #58
The 'Animals' album never made much sense to me till now nolabels Jun 2017 #62
I have always wondered about that. Baitball Blogger May 2017 #21
Some walked out...Bawhahhaaaaaaaa!!! Bengus81 May 2017 #22
always wondered how some people could be so moronic mdbl May 2017 #47
They probably hear "Run Like Hell" and think it's an exhortation to shit-kicking Warren DeMontague May 2017 #61
Frankly, I'm surprised. BobTheSubgenius May 2017 #23
Good point. paleotn May 2017 #35
Poor Trumpites colsohlibgal May 2017 #24
The "fuck your feelings" crowd is mad that he isnt pc enough Ohioblue22 May 2017 #25
I was there. Peace lady May 2017 #26
Lucky you! And babylonsister May 2017 #30
Agree, saw him in Bay Area for The Wall tour.The sound is phenomenal. I'm going to this one as well. 58Sunliner May 2017 #55
Excellent. dalton99a May 2017 #27
Yeah, that'll show him Phoenix61 May 2017 #28
I'm sure they Rebl2 May 2017 #31
I love this. ismnotwasm May 2017 #29
please Mr. Trump say, "I am not a criminal" I am not a PIG" At least humanity has music history, Sunlei May 2017 #32
hell they continually offend heaven05 May 2017 #33
excellent heaven05 May 2017 #34
Any "fan" offended by this has clearly never listed to the actual music and message Docreed2003 May 2017 #36
"Artist creates art, RWers have a sad" Barack_America May 2017 #41
What Waters might have thought about those who walked out. Different Drummer May 2017 #42
+1 BootinUp May 2017 #46
K&R Scurrilous May 2017 #45
At this point if you like Roger Waters enough to pay for a concert ticket and Neema May 2017 #48
if they are real fans they should not be surprised by this JI7 May 2017 #49
The idiots should leave the arena.They aren't fans anyway. Solly Mack May 2017 #50
That's what they should do GO HOME if you're offended. If I go somewhere and they're promoting Trump blueinredohio May 2017 #51
That is... Mike Nelson May 2017 #52
Keep it simple Lotusflower70 May 2017 #53
How could they not mention The Wall? TrogL May 2017 #54
Love it when musicians, actors, artists, etc., tick off their white wing fans. Hoyt May 2017 #56
Oh oh oh! He's coming here! ProudLib72 May 2017 #57
Check out the video.... progressoid May 2017 #59
Reminds me of the people who would go to the R.E.M. show & get mad when Stipe got "political" Warren DeMontague May 2017 #60

BigOleDummy

(2,263 posts)
3. Well,
Sun May 28, 2017, 07:03 AM
May 2017

He's doing a show here pretty soon. I wasn't really planning on going but I may just change my mind. And yes, I HAVE been paying attention to his and the Floyd's lyrics over the years and applaud him for not toning down the politics. We need more artists to step up. The other side sure does! The State Fair here has a leg of the "Southern Uprising" tour this summer. Smh.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
4. I admit RW can be an ass at times, but
Sun May 28, 2017, 07:07 AM
May 2017

There are few clear, consistent voices about politics that can match him. Even Dylan and Neil Young have had periods where they flirted with the right wing, but Waters never did. BTW, to those that hate him because PF blew up, Waters started a lot of it, but David Gilmour was very consistent about NOT reconciling, instead insisting on a shitty solo career where his wife was his main songwriter, the result being some of the most awful solo work ever produced by an artist.

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
17. Great points
Sun May 28, 2017, 08:08 AM
May 2017

PF's work is for me in many ways the most durable of the genre, and Roger's songwriting seals the deal. I've always had a deep respect and I mean that most sincerely...In his lyrics there is incredible power, clarity and sensitivity about the business of life.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
37. what is funny is
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:59 AM
May 2017

A lot of people would have written Pink Floyd off once Syd left. For those who do not know, Syd Barret was the original songwriter, who, despite a very brief period of work, was very influential, where people ranging from David Bowie to Nirvana admitted taking influences from him. He and Jimi Hendrix, while friends in London, experimented with the idea of guitar feedback, the loud sound that everyone uses now. He is also responsible for the idea of rock as theatrical spectacle, so everything from Raves to Concept albums also owes him something. So, how the hell did Roger Waters not only make PF survive, but also eclipse Syd? That ALONE is an epic feat, especially as his PF never had the glam rock charisma Syd Had (which Bowie would shamelessly rip off.)

That beign said, he was very nasty at times, the low point being when he fired Richard wright. This of course led to wright and Gilmour doing the later PF era, from a "momentary lapse of reason" on. Sadly, once Wright died, Gilmour's weakness as a songwriter really showed, and the fact his wife wrote only made it worse. Now, if he gets some serious songwriting helps, let's say from, his friends like Kate Bush or his followers like Maynard from Tool, or Thom Yorke from Radiohead he could make perhaps one or two good albums, but he will never, ever be able to rise above Waters. Thankfully, in addition to Waters being talented, he also has a strong, clear conscience, which is something we can be thankful for.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
6. I don't think he cares who walked out
Sun May 28, 2017, 07:28 AM
May 2017

It's nice that he agrees with me though. I always loved Pink Floyd.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
38. Waters does not care
Sun May 28, 2017, 10:01 AM
May 2017

That man has the sort of career where he can proudly stand on the summit of mount "I don't give a f**k." Then again, he never gave a F88k to begin with, there is a parable in this somewhere, one many artist would do well to learn.

ClusterFreak

(3,112 posts)
15. To put on a show like this in L.A. or New York would be one thing...
Sun May 28, 2017, 08:07 AM
May 2017

...but in the heart of the Midwest?

Gotta love it!

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
18. Good. Glad they walked. Probably made the experience better for everyone else.
Sun May 28, 2017, 08:08 AM
May 2017

Trump supporters are too stupid to understand PF's songs or messages. But Trump is a Pig is pretty plain and simple. Glad they understood at least that much.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
62. The 'Animals' album never made much sense to me till now
Mon Jun 5, 2017, 08:15 AM
Jun 2017

Well, at least not too much sense, kind of knew it was some kind of take on the book 'Animal Farm' and about wealth and privilege.

Back in the day, around when I was eighteen, my buddy and me headed got a four-day pass while in Army. We were going from Kansas to Kentucky and in the middle of the night via Missouri. Partway there we decided to take a shortcut. Turned out the backwoods in a fog bank on a winding two-lane highway are a little unnerving. My buddy rummaging through the cassettes found 'Animals', which he had never heard before. He played it over and over (think he liked it). Well, I just kinda remember that spooky feeling about it. I liked the sound and everything but it just seemed to be not of this world at the time.

Now though, the lyrics seem Clairvoyant and thank you for the link to the video

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
21. I have always wondered about that.
Sun May 28, 2017, 08:43 AM
May 2017

I look back on my experiences growing up in the sixties on a military base and I wondered how it is that I grew up with such different political views than my high school friends. We listened to the same music and were part of the same culture. What happened?

I am beginning to think that they weren't listening to the words. For the longest time I thought I was the one that was out of step.

Bengus81

(6,928 posts)
22. Some walked out...Bawhahhaaaaaaaa!!!
Sun May 28, 2017, 08:56 AM
May 2017

That's like the Bush.IDIOT boot lickers who poured out their French wine when France wouldn't go alone with Bush's DISASTER in Iraq. You think like Waters they gave a FLYING FUCK?? They've already been paid....DUHHHHHHH

BobTheSubgenius

(11,560 posts)
23. Frankly, I'm surprised.
Sun May 28, 2017, 08:58 AM
May 2017

I would have thought that a Venn diagram of 45's imbeciles and Roger Waters fans would show an imperceptible overlap.

paleotn

(17,884 posts)
35. Good point.
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:54 AM
May 2017

I suppose some of these folks either don't listen to the lyrics, or aren't smart enough to comprehend the message. I guess it has to be flashed in huge illuminated letters for them to finally get it.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
24. Poor Trumpites
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:00 AM
May 2017

I would guess the vast majority of Pink Floyd fans are liberal like me. So good riddance to those delusional losers who are for a Creep who is not in his or her best interest to be for....but they are too dense to realize that.

Peace lady

(3 posts)
26. I was there.
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:07 AM
May 2017

That concert was one of the best that I have ever seen. Epic! Be sure that you check it out if he comes to your area. All of the people around us were into it, and they were especially excited about the anti-Trump message. No one should be surprised that Roger Waters is political since he has always been. On the other side, I would not expect Ted Nugent to refrain from political discussions either, which is why I would not attend one of his concerts. I agree with you that Roger Waters is an artist and should not have to appease people so that they feel comfortable at HIS show.

Rebl2

(13,470 posts)
31. I'm sure they
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:33 AM
May 2017

will demand their money back. Poor little snowflakes. They must not be big fans or they would have known their political leanings.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
32. please Mr. Trump say, "I am not a criminal" I am not a PIG" At least humanity has music history,
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:36 AM
May 2017

that can never be re-written

Docreed2003

(16,850 posts)
36. Any "fan" offended by this has clearly never listed to the actual music and message
Sun May 28, 2017, 09:57 AM
May 2017

Of Waters and Pink Floyd. They also obviously never watched "The Wall". This is the equivalent of RWers getting upset that Bruce Springsteen happens to say something "political"

Funny how the outrage is always when a real artist speaks out against authoritarianism or in favor of other left leaning ideas, but the media always seems to shrug when Ted Nugent and his ilk spew hateful, violent bile like it's no big deal. And they call us "snowflakes"

Neema

(1,151 posts)
48. At this point if you like Roger Waters enough to pay for a concert ticket and
Sun May 28, 2017, 06:57 PM
May 2017

you DON'T know he's going to be overtly political, and you DON'T think he's going to mock 45, that's on you my friend. Of course if you're dumb enough to still support 45 and be offended by anyone criticizing him, then there' not much hope for you anyway.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
51. That's what they should do GO HOME if you're offended. If I go somewhere and they're promoting Trump
Sun May 28, 2017, 07:41 PM
May 2017

I go home or some place else

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
52. That is...
Sun May 28, 2017, 07:42 PM
May 2017

...explicit. Trump fans may be too "politically correct" to appreciate the blunt truthfulness. And, of course, an demanded apology to all pigs is understandable.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
57. Oh oh oh! He's coming here!
Sun May 28, 2017, 08:12 PM
May 2017

After reading the article, I so want to go. The ticket sales are weird, though. Not through a verified ticket seller. Hmmm....


I don't usually listen to Pink Floyd. But when I do, I prefer Waters to be political.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
60. Reminds me of the people who would go to the R.E.M. show & get mad when Stipe got "political"
Sun May 28, 2017, 10:23 PM
May 2017

It's like, have you been paying ZERO attention?

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