Muslim ban? How about a goddamn Russian ban?

[LSFL]

I can't believe that I am arguing with reps about whether the frigging Russians are our friends. Russia is not even a real country anymore. Just a bunch of thugs , mobsters, and thieves stealing the wealth of a dead empire and sowing chaos around the world.
I do not think any American citizens should be allowed to do business with them, and all political contact should be transparent and bent toward weakening and discrediting them.
We spent 50 years and trillions of dollars breaking them economically and now we have an administration that would not only take the boot off thier necks but actively help them reemerge on the world stage.

Traitors all. The time is coming to stretch some necks here at home and bitch slap a post communist dystopia back into the dust of history.

[Initech]

1. Russia *AND* Saudi Arabia - the two worst countries on earth.

And we just gave Saudi Arabia $400 *BILLION* in weapons and artillery. What kind of havoc will they ensue with that?

[LOL Lib]

2. Great post!

You may get bashed by a few for mentioning stretching necks for treason. I wholly agree that hanging these traitors in the middle of Times Square would be appropriate. I don't want to waste my tax dollars feeding and sheltering these traitors.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. Interesting that 1000 posts in 90 days types are cheering the bigotry of the OP. Country-wide bans

Country-wide bans are grossly prejudiced and hurt the good decent innocent people who form the great majority of any country.

Simplistic solutions don't work.

[LOL Lib]

35. Interesting that you are so concerned by post counts on a message board.

Does your post count make you a better American than me? Hmm? Does your knowledge of history and the law surpass the lowly "noob?" Bigotry of the OP? Thou doeth protest too much. You sir are intolerant of the OPs "belief" that treason should still be punishable by death. You leave me to believe that one's opinion is not tolerated in your utopian message board world. Hope you have a wonderful Memorial Day. Am I allowed to wish you a happy day, or do I need 5k posts and 2 years?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

38. I wrote nothing about treason or death, so stop stuffing words into people's mouths.

Prejudice and bigotry, such as exhibited by the OP's condemnation of an entire people, is against the DU Terms of Service. It is no different from blanket condemnations of any other group. We have had an influx of people registering after tRump's inauguration and there is a pattern of disruption on social media.

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[LOL Lib]

39. You chose to take a crap on my opinion which was specifically about treason.

I did not mention anything about the ops feelings regarding Russians or any other group. Thanks for posting the rules that I have already read and agreed to.

You still haven't answered as to why my low post count/join date gives you the right to question my usefulness to this forum and the Democratic Party in general. I have noticed a very cliquish environment that exists here among certain posters. New people are often times jumped on and accused of being trolls or worse. I understand a certain amount of wariness for a new member, but it is a little over the top and borderline paranoia at times.

Bottom line is that it is not very welcoming and rather off putting. I don't understand the obsession with post counts. it is also very stalkerish to think that you spend time checking people's profile and post count. Whatever...have a great day and enjoy your family when you take a break from checking post counts.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

40. You said "Great post" to OP titled about blanket prejudiced ban against Russians.

As to your question, I did answer it upthread.

Despite multiple chances to condemn the prejudice against the people of a country (Russia), a similar prejudice to tRump's ban against muslim countries, you have not condemned it.

So, your endorsement of it stands, as when you wrote "Great post" upthread.

[FakeNoose]

3. Sure - I've been saying that for awhile now

I believe there are some legitimate refugees from Russia and the former Soviet Union, who've come here seeking asylum and they truly mean to stay here and be good citizens.

However there are bunches of other Russians who are looking to launder money and make phony "investments" that turn out to be nothing but campaign contributions under another name. They're spying on us and reporting straight back to Putin. Also there are "deep cover" agents (immigrants) who have been living here quietly for a long time, but will be activated to work for Putin eventually.

How are these people vetted, and verified before they get into our country? I used to believe there was such a thing as vetting until I learned that the Kushners are out there selling "golden visas" to their buddies in formerly communist countries.

Oh really? That has to end immediately.

[dalton99a]

4. Today's Russia is wholly owned and operated by a gang of murderous thieves and looters

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. Bigotry and prejudice are not complicated. Don't go the RW path of seeking simplistic solutions. nt

[luvMIdog]

6. bbut how will people get the Russian brides they have on back order? :P

[nocalflea]

7. Payback's gonna be a bitch .

Time to tar and feather the traitors and parade them out of the WH down Pennsylvania Ave. to the delight of the jeering masses.Join them up with the traitors on Capitol Hill at the Washington Monument.Hang 'em if you wish. I just wanna see the fear and shame on their faces.

When that's done with, we go after the oligarchs and through them Putin.Seizures,forfeitures,disinvestment, isolation ... . We will crush them.
Beware the sleeping giant !

[BigmanPigman]

10. They have no shame. That's the definition of sociopath.

They do not have normal feelings and will continue to cause harm as long as they benefit. It would takes years of therapy and tons of money as well as their desire to change and we all know they love to do this shit to others.

[nocalflea]

11. Oh, but they do have fear. One of Trump's greatest fears is being exposed for the charlatan he truly is.

[dchill]

12. They're not even very good at pretending anymore.

Some of them used to be able to fake empathy. Now, not so much.

[blue-wave]

13. Tar and feather?

The patriots did that to traitors during the revolutionary war era, didn't they? A whole patriotic group of them were known as the "Sons of Liberty." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Liberty

Yup, let's bring it back.

[uponit7771]

8. +1, be different if the leadership in Russia wanted to acK right.

[Cryptoad]

9. start by banning and sending all the Russians out of our country

and close the Russian Embassy

[melman]

14. Wow what an ugly thread

Deport all Russians?

Mail order brides?

Stretching necks?



Gross.

[LisaL]

15. Sure is an ugly thread.

[m-lekktor]

17. It is. nt

[world wide wally]

16. Pretty accurate description of the "former" Evil Empire

[oberliner]

18. This post is digusting

Particularly this:

"Russia is not even a real country anymore. Just a bunch of thugs , mobsters, and thieves stealing the wealth of a dead empire and sowing chaos around the world."

That is offensive.

[LisaL]

29. Exactly. There are a lot of offensive posts on this thread.

Just like any other ethnicity, Russians are not all one and the same.

[ck4829]

19. Russians are victims of Putin and the FSB state too

Ryazan in 1999, that school hostage situation where Putin's boys ended up killing more hostages than the terrorists did with a gas and they would never reveal what it was, Putin being OK with Kadyrov detaining and killing gay Chechens, dissidents and journalists getting murdered, Siberians who are seeing not just their lifestyles but their lives in danger with Putin being OK with climate change, and more.

Alexander Litvinenko and Sergei Magnitsky were also Russians.

[nikibatts]

20. You would be surprised at the number of undocumented and documented Russian criminals here in US.

If you rent, you probably renting from the Russian or Korean mob and don't even know it. Well organized and spread all over the country.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

21. The solution to bigotry is NOT more bigotry.

Most people in Russia (and Saudi Arabia for that matter too) are good decent people.

Blanket bans are bigoted and prejudiced. Period.

Prejudice is "pre-judging". Don't indulge in it here on DU, please.

[Dustlawyer]

27. +1!!! THIS!!!

[EL34x4]

24. Disgraceful, ugly thread

[LisaL]

33. Bunch of posters trying to outdo each other with ridiculous statements, starting with the OP.

[Progressive dog]

25. Sick idea

[Dustlawyer]

26. My future son-in-law came to the states when he was 16 with his family.

His grandfather is a famous Jewish Physicist. Dmitri is a Bernie supporter and was before he knew my views. He is now an American citizen . and a microbiologist. I do not wish to see he and his family (and my daughter) persecuted for a government he abhors. He can tell you what life under Putin and the previous autocrats was/is like.

He cannot stand Donald Trump and blames the propaganda which he says is much like Russia. Fox News is much like Tass of the 70's.

[LSFL]

28. so now i have to argue with dems about the Russian menace

I think it is clear that i was referring to the kleptocracy that runs Russia nnowadays and the criminals that come here and build criminal syndicates. Say it is disgusting all you want. But my country is worth fighting for and I would be willing to do more than scour forums looking to take offense on behalf of hypothetical people in order to preserve it.
Make no mistake. As with Trump, there is a sizable fraction of assholes in Russia that support these monsters.
But I take no offense at your outrage and welcome a lively debate. I was born in 1969. I see what the Russians are. I see it very well.

[dalton99a]

31. The real problem is money

It's the weapon behind Putin's disinformation and destabilization campaign. The more famous thieves and looters may already be covered by EU/US sanctions, but there is a whole layer below them that operate under the radar, and it is difficult to inhibit their actions unless drastic measures are taken e.g. expel Russia from SWIFT which is practically the world's banking system.

"Regular" Russians pose a threat to no one. It's Putin and the oligarchy.

(FWIW Should we lift sanctions against named Russian entities and industry sectors because there are good people working in them? No.)

[Bernardo de La Paz]

32. No. You were clearly calling for a "Russian ban", your words, your title.

Then you went on to make a blanket statement about ALL Russians ("just a bunch of&quot : "Russia is not even a real country anymore. Just a bunch of thugs , mobsters, and thieves stealing the wealth of a dead empire and sowing chaos around the world."

Then you doubled down:

"Traitors all"

You were clear in your prejudice. If you were only talking about one group then you would not have condemned all the people in the country.

Most Russians are not thugs. A very few Russians are thugs.
Most Russians are not mobsters. A very few Russians are mobsters.

Prejudging a whole people on the basis of a very few is no different from prejudging muslims on the basis of Daesh.

[leftstreet]

36. +1

[enid602]

30. regime change

No, no Russian Ban. But we should have a policy of Russian regime change. Baby steps.

[MineralMan]

34. No, thank you.

[leftstreet]

37. Bigoted shit like this makes DU look stupid n/t