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mhw

(678 posts)
Mon May 29, 2017, 09:45 PM May 2017

Oh my, would his mama be proud. Prince William British GQ Cover

https://www.yahoo.com/style/prince-william-looks-quite-dapper-195146294.html

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUq-RCvg2DP/


The main focus of the interview, however, isn’t the prince himself; it’s his new mental health initiative, Heads Together.
The initiative was set up by the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, as well as William’s brother, Prince Harry.
“Smashing the taboo is our biggest aim,” said Prince William in the interview. “We cannot go anywhere much until that is done.
People can’t access services till they feel less ashamed, so we must tackle the taboo, the stigma, for goodness sake, this is the 21st century.”

In promoting the new initiative, Prince William gave one of the most personal and intimate interviews of his life.
He spoke candidly not only about the sudden death of his mother, Princess Diana, but also on how her death impacted him and his younger brother.
He revealed that the loss of his mother continues to affect him every day, saying:

“I am in a better place about it than I have been for a long time, where I can talk about her more openly, talk about her more honestly, and I can remember her better, and publicly talk about her better. It has taken me almost 20 years to get to that stage.
I still find it difficult now because at the time it was so raw.”
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Oh my, would his mama be proud. Prince William British GQ Cover (Original Post) mhw May 2017 OP
A question for our British DUers: sandensea May 2017 #1
I'm not British, but sarge43 May 2017 #2
Parliament has no say. Upon her death Charles becomes King. WoonTars May 2017 #3
The question was, could the queen bypass Charles and make William h. apparent. sarge43 May 2017 #5
I know you are right treestar May 2017 #23
Up to the Glorious Revolution the monarch alone could within reason change the succession sarge43 May 2017 #25
Oh thanks, that is interesting treestar May 2017 #26
You're welcome sarge43 May 2017 #27
Perfect. sandensea May 2017 #4
"Tell me about it..." FailureToCommunicate May 2017 #7
Chuck may have lost his head. sandensea May 2017 #8
I'm half Brit Skittles May 2017 #6
Full Brit HipChick May 2017 #9
haha - poor charles. Merlot May 2017 #10
She's refusing to set a precedent. politicat May 2017 #12
Brilliant analysis. Thank you. sarge43 May 2017 #28
And having the ex-husband continue to meddle via the kids didn't help. NT politicat May 2017 #29
No, the rumour is not true. She takes seriously service until death and arthritisR_US May 2017 #15
Given that his father is rusty fender May 2017 #17
Good point, now I'm depressed. nt arthritisR_US May 2017 #19
Oddly enough (and tangentially relevant), Charles III played on local PBS last weekend. LanternWaste May 2017 #21
Thanks for the heads up! sandensea May 2017 #24
Charles may not want to be king. murielm99 May 2017 #11
Popularity has no standing. I don't think he would refuse the title out arthritisR_US May 2017 #16
here are two more handsome fellas niyad May 2017 #13
Omg I love that pic. Makes me so proud of my Dem Party, my Country. mhw May 2017 #14
Here's the magazine pic BumRushDaShow May 2017 #18
Hooo my! About brings ya to your knees..that Prince mhw May 2017 #20
Remember when he was born BumRushDaShow May 2017 #22

sandensea

(21,526 posts)
1. A question for our British DUers:
Mon May 29, 2017, 10:56 PM
May 2017

To your knowledge, is the rumor that Queen Elizabeth has decided to bypass Charles and bequeath the throne directly to William true?

I have no opinion either way.

Thanks!

sarge43

(28,939 posts)
2. I'm not British, but
Mon May 29, 2017, 11:06 PM
May 2017

the monarch has no control over the order of succession. It's entirely up to Parliament.

WoonTars

(694 posts)
3. Parliament has no say. Upon her death Charles becomes King.
Mon May 29, 2017, 11:08 PM
May 2017

Whether he goes through with a coronation is another matter entirely.

sarge43

(28,939 posts)
5. The question was, could the queen bypass Charles and make William h. apparent.
Mon May 29, 2017, 11:15 PM
May 2017

She can't. Unless Charles steps down or dies before Elizabeth, he will of course be king.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
23. I know you are right
Tue May 30, 2017, 03:13 PM
May 2017

but Henry VIII put in his will what he wanted - probably changed since then. No fighting about Protestant vs. Catholic.

sarge43

(28,939 posts)
25. Up to the Glorious Revolution the monarch alone could within reason change the succession
Tue May 30, 2017, 07:03 PM
May 2017

Until son Eddie showed up Henry even considered making his illegitimate son his heir, but that was a bridge too far even for a terrorized parliament and aristocracy.

Starting with the Act of Settlement (1701) parliament decided who would follow Anne (she had no living children) and it wouldn't be her half brother because, wait for it, he was Catholic. Parliament flipped it back three generations to a daughter of James I, Sophia Electress of Hanover, who was solidly Protestant. Her son became George I. The Act also decreed that if anyone in the succession married a Catholic or was Catholic, they no longer would be.

The Succession to the Crown Act (2013) change the line from male primogeniture to strict birth order. It also dropped the Catholic prohibition, but the monarch still has to be Church of England.

So yeah, parliament calls the shots about who can wear the gold hat.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
26. Oh thanks, that is interesting
Wed May 31, 2017, 08:54 AM
May 2017

Which is how they got a king who didn't even speak good English, coming from Germany.

The birth order Act is neat - Charlotte won't get kicked out of line by any younger brothers, like Princess Anne was.

sarge43

(28,939 posts)
27. You're welcome
Wed May 31, 2017, 09:20 AM
May 2017

The history of the British monarchy is a real life Dynasty and, sometimes, House of Cards.

George I couldn't speak English and didn't bother to learn. Because he never was interested, another reason parliament took over. Part of power plays is hearing what isn't said. This also explains why the Founders put in the Constitution presidential restrictions on residency and natural citizenship. They didn't want a half ass European royal pulling a Sneaky Pete and taking over.

Correction: Sophia was a granddaughter of James I.

The British have usually done well with a queen regnant. Why limit the possibility?

Skittles

(152,964 posts)
6. I'm half Brit
Mon May 29, 2017, 11:18 PM
May 2017

I've never understood why the Queen has left her son a Prince for so long

tells us something about her, I suppose

politicat

(9,808 posts)
12. She's refusing to set a precedent.
Tue May 30, 2017, 12:25 AM
May 2017

And that's good, I think, if one takes her perspective on monarchy -- that the monarch exists as the societal airbag against a collision with a terrible but popular movement. Most of the time, she and the whole family exerts that power softly, via encouragement and endorsement, and by working outside of electoral politics. If she sets the precedent that the monarchy is not for life, then the monarchy becomes political again. In times of disaster -- which is when the monarchy is most useful -- it is strongest when it is not politicized.

From a pure historian's perspective, regencies have never, ever gone well for that monarchy, and the one attempted monarch-heir joint reign was such a disaster that it's never been tried since (Henry II and Young Henry*).

She knows that if she abdicates or resigns, then her successors will likely be pressured to do the same, and likely for less reason. She has very good reasons to see the succession while she's alive -- she's had a long, mostly successful reign and she has every right to consider a retirement. But once she sets the precedent, it exists. She'll die in harness. That's what she's been taught since she was a very little girl and she probably can't shake the idea that abdication is shameful and an admission of failure. That context matters for her.

* okay, so that family was so completely dysfunctional that it's the soap opera version of a train wreck, but still. It didn't work at all well, and that was before the imprisoning of the spouse and the battles and dysentery in France.

sarge43

(28,939 posts)
28. Brilliant analysis. Thank you.
Wed May 31, 2017, 09:51 AM
May 2017

Re the Fitzempress gang: That many strong personalities and power players in the same castle and things are bound to go sideways.

arthritisR_US

(7,269 posts)
15. No, the rumour is not true. She takes seriously service until death and
Tue May 30, 2017, 02:21 PM
May 2017

that succession is given to the next in the bloodline. Given Charles age, by the time he ascends to the throne his reign won't be long, probably in the ballpark of his grandfathers.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
17. Given that his father is
Tue May 30, 2017, 02:38 PM
May 2017

still alive at 96 and his mother is 91, he'll likely have a reign of some thirty years or so...

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
21. Oddly enough (and tangentially relevant), Charles III played on local PBS last weekend.
Tue May 30, 2017, 02:58 PM
May 2017

Oddly enough (and tangentially relevant), Charles III played on local PBS last weekend. The BBC film (originally a play) opens with the death of the Queen and, resting almost entirely on open verse, gives us a version of the royal family that was Shakespearean in both sinister tragedy and selfish ambition, and whose plots rests on the line of succession.


It was a new twist on our view of the modern royal family. If you like classical dialogue, open verse and Shakespearean meter placed atop the contemporary, I think you'll dig this.

Preview...

sandensea

(21,526 posts)
24. Thanks for the heads up!
Tue May 30, 2017, 04:48 PM
May 2017

Another masterful creation by the BBC. Every high school should have a complete BBC video library for the faculty to use and refer to, I think.

murielm99

(30,656 posts)
11. Charles may not want to be king.
Mon May 29, 2017, 11:51 PM
May 2017

He is happy doing what he is doing with his green farming and villages. I understand that he and Al Gore get along famously.

Also, Charles and Camilla remain unpopular, at least according to my British and expat friends. He may want to abdicate in favor of his younger and more popular son.

arthritisR_US

(7,269 posts)
16. Popularity has no standing. I don't think he would refuse the title out
Tue May 30, 2017, 02:23 PM
May 2017

of respect for his Mum and her adherence to tradition.

 

mhw

(678 posts)
14. Omg I love that pic. Makes me so proud of my Dem Party, my Country.
Tue May 30, 2017, 02:09 PM
May 2017

Thanks

Our President!

Ya just cant look at that & feel so proud of President Obama & Prince Harry.

Handsome & then some..

 

mhw

(678 posts)
20. Hooo my! About brings ya to your knees..that Prince
Tue May 30, 2017, 02:48 PM
May 2017

There's so much sorrow in that humble man.
He & young Prince Harry carried it forever & yet remain kind thoughtful & true.

Beautiful.
Why can't we have Prince William .



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