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Are the GOP just okay with the fact Trump's wrecking NATO ? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 OP
They don't know, from the pols to the electorate they don't look at any other news source than FAUX uponit7771 May 2017 #1
They really don't seem to care about much C_U_L8R May 2017 #2
Correct! They only care about cutting taxes for the rich and ending health care for the poor. LonePirate May 2017 #8
I saw some of them blaming it on Hillary Clinton and President Obama this morning- really lol luvMIdog May 2017 #3
As long as they get their RW Supreme Court justices and tax cuts on the wealthy oberliner May 2017 #4
Okay? They voted for this! EL34x4 May 2017 #5
I agree with everything you wrote... DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #6
They hate Europe and think you are a liberal elitist for traveling maryellen99 May 2017 #10
Why would they think you were crazy for going to England and Ireland? smirkymonkey May 2017 #13
It isn't "Why would they?" It is that they DO. USA! USA! Perhaps you've heard the chant? WinkyDink May 2017 #16
Because of terrorism..the day after we came home the 7/7 attacks occurred nt maryellen99 May 2017 #22
Oh, ok. I guess I can see London, but Ireland is safer than it is over here. smirkymonkey May 2017 #23
Yes and the people were very nice. maryellen99 May 2017 #24
Anywhere in Europe is safer than here jberryhill May 2017 #28
The entirety of "Trump" is mind boggling. Moostache May 2017 #7
I would argue their moral compasses worked better. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #11
Agreed. The Mafia never went after women and children, unlike the AHCA. WinkyDink May 2017 #17
Michael and Vito were faithful husbands. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #19
Well, what about Mario Cuomo?! WinkyDink May 2017 #25
Tony Soprano told his daughter that he became a gangster because he was excluded... DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #27
I used to say that my Sicilian grandfather in Bayonne was the only Italian-American around not in WinkyDink May 2017 #32
It's funny how ethnic stereotypes stick. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #33
They seem to be Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #9
DSB, haven't you heard? Rootin' Tootin' Putin is our best bud now. Russia means everyone no harm! TheBlackAdder May 2017 #12
It's better than the GOP leadership being indicted on RICO charges. Eyeball_Kid May 2017 #14
They know their voters are xenophobes who eat Freedom Fries. WinkyDink May 2017 #15
We're okay now. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #18
Cool! WinkyDink May 2017 #26
absolutely--cuz tax cuts and obedient women are worth selling out for. librechik May 2017 #20
The rats are hiding below because the cat is out demosincebirth May 2017 #21
Yes. It was always about staying in power and making money for their bankroller donors. Freethinker65 May 2017 #29
Near as I can tell the intent of the recent European tour was to dismantle the post war alliance. Voltaire2 May 2017 #30
They probably don't understand it. Turbineguy May 2017 #31
Half of them don't even know what NATO is or what it was set up to do DFW May 2017 #34
It is mindboggling how inept the GOP leadership is...but then again AgadorSparticus May 2017 #35
They hate other NATO nations for their freedom ThoughtCriminal May 2017 #36
The GOP seems to support the breakup of NATO. UCmeNdc May 2017 #37
I wouldn't be surprised if some are toying with the idea a supporting their country over their party Bucky May 2017 #38
NATO was founded by Democrats Trumpocalypse May 2017 #39
They seem okay with #45 wrecking EVERYTHING IN SIGHT VOX May 2017 #40

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
1. They don't know, from the pols to the electorate they don't look at any other news source than FAUX
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:32 AM
May 2017

... news and the winger right.

I've looked at FAUX news and listened to winger radio and they don't give more than a couple of minutes TOTAL throughout the day on these issues.

While a fuckin email server got days upon days of coverage.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. As long as they get their RW Supreme Court justices and tax cuts on the wealthy
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:36 AM
May 2017

That's pretty much what it's all about.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
5. Okay? They voted for this!
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:38 AM
May 2017

Trump voters loath NATO, believing it to be ripping off America. They think that Europe's cradle-to-grave safety net is achievable only because the United States picks up the tab for their defense.

Trump's voters are not going to be pissed when Trump does exactly what he said he was going to do until it directly affects them. Most of the people who voted for Trump have never been to Europe and never will. They think the entire continent has been overrun by Muslims anyways.

Now, establishment defense hawks in the GOP? That's a different story. Doesn't matter as Trump's voters loath those guys as well.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
6. I agree with everything you wrote...
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:41 AM
May 2017

But being a prudent dove and supporting NATO are not mutually exclusive.

maryellen99

(3,781 posts)
10. They hate Europe and think you are a liberal elitist for traveling
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:48 AM
May 2017

My mom,brother and I went to England and Ireland back in 2005 (husband couldn't go). My husband's extended family told me I was "crazy" for going.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
13. Why would they think you were crazy for going to England and Ireland?
Tue May 30, 2017, 11:03 AM
May 2017

That's bizarre. They are at least English speaking countries.

maryellen99

(3,781 posts)
24. Yes and the people were very nice.
Tue May 30, 2017, 12:59 PM
May 2017

I'm half Irish and my mom's grandparents came over here. My great grandmother was only 15-16 when she came over by herself.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
7. The entirety of "Trump" is mind boggling.
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:44 AM
May 2017

How in the holy hell did we end up HERE?

The GOP, once the party of staunch cold warriors and bluster and braggadocio regarding handling the Russians is now the Russian dictator's personal bitch?

The Presidency of the United States of America has been defiled on the world stage and in multiple insane self-inflicted domestic wounds?

The Congress - in hideous and blatant partisanship - abdicates all responsibility to country and patriotism in favor of party alliances?

The White House staff is an extension of the Trump family criminal enterprises?

I swear, there are scenes from the Godfather part I (Michael and Vito talking in the garden before Vito's death scene) and part II (Michael and Hyman Roth discussing the presidency) that make me cringe now.

We have a mafia-style family business running the country into not just AN iceberg, they are slaloming through the ice field and hitting ALL of the icebergs just for kicks. Every day that Trump remains in power we draw closer to cataclysmic warfare and destruction. This mad man, who is so self-absorbed that it numbs the mind, is charting a course to destroy American alliances that have maintained peace and security for 70 years in favor of serving as a lapdog to a Russian autocrat?

I feel like I am living in the beginning of Oceania's Ministry of Truth...

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
19. Michael and Vito were faithful husbands.
Tue May 30, 2017, 11:29 AM
May 2017

At least they can make an argument that in their milieu paths to success were limited as the latter part of the video demonstrates.

Did you watch the Sopranos. Tony tried that excuse with Meadow but it was sixty years later. She said what about Mario Cuomo ?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
27. Tony Soprano told his daughter that he became a gangster because he was excluded...
Tue May 30, 2017, 09:36 PM
May 2017

Tony Soprano told his daughter Meadow that he became a gangster because as an Italian American he was excluded from legal paths to success:


Tony Soprano: There was a time, Mead, when the Italian people didn't have a lot of options.
Meadow Soprano: You mean like Mario Cuomo?




That might have made some sense in Don Corleone's lifetime but it didn't make sense in Tony's lifetime. That's why Meadow pointed to Mario Cuomo who became successful the honest way. In any case the amount of Italians involved in organized crime was vanishingly small. At the Mafia's heyday 15,000 Italian Americans were involved in organized crime.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
32. I used to say that my Sicilian grandfather in Bayonne was the only Italian-American around not in
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:34 PM
May 2017

the Mafia, or we'd have been a lot richer!

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,355 posts)
9. They seem to be
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:45 AM
May 2017

Idiot Corker thought that Trump did a great job on his first foreign trip.


It's becoming entirely possible though, too, that a large number of Republicans in Congress are entangled in the Trump/Russia situation and/or are otherwise compromised by Russia in terms of blackmail or, more likely than not, campaign contributions. I have noticed that, in recent years, right-wing Republicans have also been, at least rhetorically, embracing Putin, as a means of attacking then-President Obama and/or simply admiring his autocratic style of governance, which I'm sure that they would love to emulate over here with one of their own Presidents.

Freethinker65

(9,932 posts)
29. Yes. It was always about staying in power and making money for their bankroller donors.
Tue May 30, 2017, 09:49 PM
May 2017

This go round voting for DeVos brought their real "loyalty" out in the open. They got away with that, so why not go for dismantling all social safety nets along with public education....skimming taxpayer money along the way as they privatize national resources, gut all banking/corporate/environmental regulations, throw in some massive tax breaks for the wealthy too. If turning a blind eye to Russia, or being downright complicit, helps them achieve their goal, so be it.

Honestly they know they can easily manipulate about half of the country to fear something new...Russia, LGTBQs, "Mexicans", ISIS, France (remember freedom fries?), Muslims, and now members of NATO including Germany. When hating on NATO ceases to get desired results they will hate on some other group and most of the sheep will blindly follow.

I once had complete faith there were enough in congress loyal to the U.S.A. and Constitution. Now I am not so sure.

Voltaire2

(12,626 posts)
30. Near as I can tell the intent of the recent European tour was to dismantle the post war alliance.
Tue May 30, 2017, 09:49 PM
May 2017

At some point the "Republican Leaders", which is a nearly oxymoronic phrase, need to realize that a foreign power has taken control of the executive branch and that they, holding power in the legislature, are the only ones who can stop this madness.

I am not particularly optimistic.

DFW

(54,055 posts)
34. Half of them don't even know what NATO is or what it was set up to do
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:41 PM
May 2017

Half of the Republicans probably couldn't look at a map of Europe and identify two countries.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
35. It is mindboggling how inept the GOP leadership is...but then again
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:48 PM
May 2017

They were pretty useless in the primaries too. I am actually a little surprised that they are just standing around doing absolutely nothing against the madness that is Agent orange. They aren't even accomplishing the nonsense they want to achieve. Thank GOD FOR THAT.

But, really. I can't imagine this is working for their corrupt agenda, either.

Bucky

(53,795 posts)
38. I wouldn't be surprised if some are toying with the idea a supporting their country over their party
Wed May 31, 2017, 06:32 AM
May 2017

...for once, just to see what it feels like

VOX

(22,976 posts)
40. They seem okay with #45 wrecking EVERYTHING IN SIGHT
Wed May 31, 2017, 07:02 AM
May 2017

And nary a peep from one Republican (other than a couple of asides from McCain); Fox News, Rush, Breitbart, et al support der Fuhrer unswervingly, providing the day's spin on #45's invariable crisis-du-jour; and his supporters are loving their guy. Russian government interference? Ah, that's just some wild liberal talk.


It does boggle the mind. 24 hours can't pass without some major global embarrassment, courtesy of the vulgarian #45.

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