the pope and the "pagan" (hey, andrew--FU)
(hey, you clueless twit, the mango mussolini is NOT a pagan. perhaps you should learn what the word means)
The Pope and the Pagan
By Andrew Sullivan
The contrast between a grim-faced pope and the grinning president at the Vatican this past week was not lost on the press or late-night TV. But they missed the mark, it seems to me. They noted merely that the two leaders profoundly disagree on, say, the dignity of immigrants, the sanctity of heterosexual marriage, or the urgency of tackling climate change. While these disagreements exist, they are, it seems to me, merely symptoms of a deeper chasm — the vast, empty, and dark space that lies between Donald Trump and anything resembling Christianity.
I don’t believe that there is a Christian politics as such — there is plenty of scope for disagreement about how to translate a Christian worldview into secular politics, or whether to translate it at all. But I do believe there is a Christian set of core human virtues and values, rooted in what we Catholics still think of as the truth, and that those virtues are rooted in the Gospels. We all fail the virtue test, of course, including yours truly, perhaps more than most. But Trump is a special case — because when you think about those virtues, it is very hard to see Donald Trump as anything but a living, breathing, shameless refutation of every single one.
Trump is not an atheist, confident yet humble in the search for a God-free morality. He is not an agnostic, genuinely doubtful as to the meaning of existence but always open to revelation should it arrive. He is not even a wayward Christian, as he sometimes claims to be, beset by doubt and failing to live up to ideals he nonetheless holds. The ideals he holds are, in fact, the antithesis of Christianity — and his life proves it. He is neither religious nor irreligious. He is pre-religious. He is a pagan. He makes much more sense as a character in Game of Thrones, a medieval world bereft of the legacy of Jesus of Nazareth, than as a president of a modern, Western country.
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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/andrew-sullivan-the-pope-and-the-pagan.html
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thinks they know something about something that they obviously do not. 
Just because you don't like that he's referring to himself as a member of a mainstream religion you know a bit about doesn't mean you get to pass him over to another one you lack any real knowledge of.
Trump claims he's a 'christian'. While I certainly don't see him as one and he's certainly not a progressive Christian nor following the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels, he HAS been acknowledged and fawned over as a fellow 'fundie' RW so called 'christian' by the likes Bakker, Robertson, etc who pervert the name and ignore the teachings of Jesus in the name of power and greed... basically those who are 'anti' Christ... like Trump.
claims his Christianity, then that is what he is, but others have a right to opine whether or not he fits that description. I agree with Sullivan that, in reality, der Trumpenfuror is the antithesis of a practicing Christian. 
People Against Goodness And Normalcy. 
