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The special election in Georgias 6th Congressional District is the first major test of the Democratic resistance to President Trump. In one sense, the results of the first round in April were promising for the party. Thanks to an impressive Democratic turnout, Jon Ossoff, the Democrat who advanced to this months runoff, almost cracked 50 percent of the vote in a district thats nearly 10 percentage points more Republican than the nation as a whole.1
The result, moreover, was a reversal of some turnout trends we saw in 2016, when President Trump outperformed the polls on the back of higher turnout in Republican-leaning areas. And if the runoff election on June 20 features a similar electorate, the race will be too close to call.
But the Georgia 6 April primary was a continuation of some 2016 turnout trends too trends that should worry Democrats. In 2016, turnout among whites was up across the country, and in highly educated areas like the 6th District in the suburbs of Atlanta. This redounded to Democrats advantage. At the same time, black turnout was down precipitously, from 66 percent in 2012 to 59 percent in 2016. This black-white turnout gap continued in the first round of Georgias special election, where the Democrats got impressive turnout levels from all races and ethnicities except African-Americans.
Lower black turnout in 2016 might be explained as a reversion to the mean after that groups historic turnout for Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012. Its possible that Clinton could never inspire black turnout the way the first African-American president could. But even if this shift is more of a return to the old status quo, Democrats will still have to grapple with these turnout levels going forward, and there are powerful lessons we can learn from the partys failure to raise or maintain previous black turnout levels in 2016. Painting Trump as a bigot did not motivate more African-Americans to vote, in 2016 or in the Georgia 6th. Hope and shared identity seem to be much more effective turnout motivators than fear.
Elections are decided by two chief factors: Who turns out and which candidate they vote for. Its been pointed out that turnout alone did not decide the 2016 election and that the key factor in Trumps success with groups like the white working class was not that he got way more of them to the polls than Mitt Romney did, but simply that he won a much higher share of their votes.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/black-voters-arent-turning-out-for-the-post-obama-democratic-party/
Latinos are not as Dem-leaning as African-Americans. We have our work cut out for us on inspiring turnout. It's not just the voter suppression. It's not just the threat of Trump destroying our country. It's the challenge of inspiring people to take the time and effort to vote for our candidates.
EDIT: It has been brought to my attention that the opinion piece was written by a GOP operative with a very different agenda. Take what you want with a grain of salt, but we still need to make sure that our people want to vote, and are not denied the right to vote. Our party has work to do to fight voter suppression tactics and to inspire our people to vote for our candidates.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)WellDarn
(255 posts)as opposed to, say, coming up with suggestions on how to improve our message.
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)She was still the best candidate , no they are not the same ,,, people have asked that supporters of Bernie to get behind the party nom , quit posting right-wing slam Hillary posts , don't sit it out don't vote for Stein or harambe , don't write in bernie .... etc . But people said screw you and put trump in charge .
WellDarn
(255 posts)Your "Blame Bernie" post needs some tweaking.
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)James Knowles III, mayor of Ferguson, Missouri, won re-election handily Tuesday in the first mayoral election since the 2014 shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown. Voters backed Knowles bid for a third term over his opponent, Ella Jones, who has served on the Ferguson City Council since 2015...... 30% turn-out and that's double the norm .
MiddleClass
(888 posts)Blame the never Hillary + Bernie + Jill Stein supporters,
when you make the perfect the enemy of the good, you will always lose elections.
Work on all Democrats, stop alienating the biggest group by catering to groups that disappoint, election after election.
Reach out to everybody don't alienate, just think what happened in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, all should be solid Democrat states. Why not?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)All of the sudden, white straight men feel "left behind economically and that SUCKS and is UNACCEPTABLE"and the rest of us are saying, "Tell us about it..." and then white straight old men who claim to speak for Democrats say, "the Democratic party has failed to make white straight men feel like they are the most important members of the party, so the party has LOST IT'S WAY!!!" and the rest of us are saying "WTF???"
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)It implies a sales a job... sound bites and slogans.
What we need is for people to understand what's at stake here. That's MUCH more than simply a 'message.'
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)ANY former Democratic voters STILL, in the face of current events, need an education on Democratic principles, policies, and past, then it's all hopeless.
IronLionZion
(45,435 posts)The threat of Trump's goons cutting social programs can feel less horrifying to people who have always had someone's goons trying to screw them, imprison them, or execute them on the street.
I want to hear someone who is inspiring people to vote for our party by speaking to their issues.
brush
(53,776 posts)the numerous other vote suppression tactics of the repugs that target POC voters, especially AA voters?
It's sickening to me how these memes get started and perpetuated on DU by alleged progressives who should know better.
Perez and the DNC and the Democratic Party should have immediately set up a standing, permanent, well-funded committee to combat repug cheating staffed with the best legal, investigative, media liaisons and volunteer help possible to stop the cheating.
It should be as robust as our GOTV effort because getting out the vote can easily become a wash by the determined repug effort to stop us from voting.
It's not rocket science. We've known of this repug cheating since Gore at least but still no official recognition or effort to combat it, but like clockwork we still get these dumb threads trying to blame black people for us losing elections. We're also to blame, according to these underminers, for Hillary having lost even though 90 some percent of black voters voted Democratic. No other ethnic group even got close to that percentage.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)distracting from all the much more important economic decline of the Working Class White male voter...
brush
(53,776 posts)IronLionZion
(45,435 posts)and inspire/energize people to vote by speaking to their issues, showing up to listen, and so on.
brush
(53,776 posts)vote suppression tactics.
It also comes off as being out of the repug playbook.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)We need a 50 state strategy as Dean envisioned it (this means running moderate candidates in red areas), stop primarying sitting Dems (are you listening so called progressive splinter groups?),we need to vote for whoever has a "D" next to his/her name in all elections, stop attacking the Democratic party for everything while ignoring the literal elephant in the room...evil Republicans. Also, we we need to vote in every election...presidential, mid-terms, State House, Governors, mayors, School boards and even dog catchers. Until we do that it won't matter what message we have. Also, stop beating up on POC and expecting them to save our bacon in elections and blaming them for our electoral losses.
IronLionZion
(45,435 posts)I actually agree on the 50 state strategy and vote in every little election. We need to win from the local and state level up.
What is your plan to get our people to vote?
Our party wins when our people are energized to turn out.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)That is it. The idea that we have to woo our base is wrong...our base should support us and if they don't they have no reason to complain. We have great ideas in the Democratic Party ...now we need support. And saying POC cost Hillary the election is wrong...not true.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #63)
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RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Vote in EVERY election. Not just every 4 years.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,081 posts)Ossoff's republican opponent was a big part of that, especially in the district where they are running:
https://thinkprogress.org/the-gop-candidate-in-that-georgia-special-election-is-a-pioneering-vote-suppressor-34de8e90d2f4
It also went on in Michigan, Wisconsin, and likely a number of other states that went for Obama in 2008 and 2012, but flipped to Don the Con in 2016.
a kennedy
(29,658 posts)And the USSC is about to make it worse. They took cert. in Husted out of Obio today.
Cha
(297,196 posts)There was a report awhile ago that said more were purged from Wisconsin than trump won by.
"Wisconsins Voter-ID Law Suppressed 200,000 Votes in 2016"
https://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-suppressed-200000-votes-trump-won-by-23000/
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Blame Kobach and his program of suppression.
catbyte
(34,378 posts)It reeks.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)I thought I would see this post higher up, but many are not getting it.
Trump has Kris Kobach in charge of voter fraud now. The same Cross Check voter suppression POS who has eliminate millions of minority voters in the last election. Also, Georgia disenfranchised over a million black voters on their own. This more than makes up the difference in black voter turnout.
Why this isn't a bigger story when they are already working on how to cheat us out of the next two elections I don't know, but I know we better be talking and doing something about it!
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)is about turnout...but if you don't vote than the GOP keeps riding high.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)they had the biggest turnout per voting bloc for Clinton.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)The Dem party has a color problem and they need to acknowledge then do something about it.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)MiddleClass
(888 posts)is women of non-color, stop alienating people, remember, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)It's about being inclusive to WOC. They are out there and participating but not getting much leverage or positions of power.
JustAnotherGen
(31,820 posts)And they weren't purged.
Oh - and they are the default setting for 'womanhood' in the USA.
At the end of the day - they fell for the con man's snow job.
Motownman78
(491 posts)is that they fell for the Con-man because their whiny husbands and boyfriends have been "emasculated by the lefts agenda".
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)The DNC would do well to foster the energy of women of color and groom them for office and positions of leadership. Their voices are unique and powerful and they deserve to be fostered and highlighted.
Fluke a Snooker
(404 posts)Ideally, we should not only contact them, but we should send over a representative with an early voting ballot. If we can dispatch about a thousand volunteers, we can do this and win the district handily! Then rinse and repeat for EVERY race in the future.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)in my area Cortland Ohio...multiple times...local folks need to do that. It is much more effective. You develop a relationship with the voters. Stop expecting the party to carry people who are too busy (lazy) to even show up at midterms and don't volunteer during election years...all elections. Be the change you want.
Fluke a Snooker
(404 posts)We can bring them mail-in ballots and they can take 10 minutes to fill it out. My point is we get thousands of OUR guys out in the field and do this. If every one of us would go out and get at least 5 people to fill out a mail-in ballot, we can win at least 20% more elections, which would make a difference. Let's do it!
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Different states have different rules.
JI7
(89,249 posts)More is expected from black voters than others who should be called out.
brush
(53,776 posts)that other Dem voting block participation is also down.
JustAnotherGen
(31,820 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)In the 6th District runoff election on June 20, 2017, a federal judge's order allowed several additional weeks for potential voters to register after the April 18th election in which no candidate received 50% of vote (Ossoff was close, though). I'm hoping we took advantage of that.
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)Patrick Ruffini worked as a digital strategist for George W. Bushs 2004 campaign, and the Republican National Committee in 2006. He co-founded Echelon Insights and founded Engage.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/contributors/patrick-ruffini/
Mahalo, tenderfoot
FreeStateDemocrat
(2,654 posts)Echelon Insights, launched in summer of 2014 by top Republican digital strategist Patrick Ruffini and...
sheshe2
(83,752 posts)Explains a lot.
kcr
(15,315 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... the votes votes of PoC
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And the GOP is dedicated to suppressing the non-white vote.
Perhaps both factors played a part?
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Certainly, they did not have a positive message...perhaps we should merely vote for the candidate with the "D" next to his name.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)It was simplistic, like Reagan's messages, but simple sells. And the GOP sold a message of a great America. The details are of no consequence.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)pnwmom
(108,977 posts)micro- targeted to black voters and aimed at keeping them from voting?
What about gerrymandering?
The other side is doing everything they can to reduce the votes of Democrats, and that includes the African American and other minority voters who are the backbone of the party.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,334 posts)still_one
(92,189 posts)points
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Ruffini
Take it for what it is worth
Quayblue
(1,045 posts)Mister Ed
(5,930 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)So, the lower turnout was from men? Did misogyny play a part in this?
dsc
(52,161 posts)though she did a bit lower, it is that fewer of them voted (though not as many fewer as being portrayed).
still_one
(92,189 posts)points:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Ruffini
Thanks, but no thanks for the republican propaganda
I can tell you one thing though, that can be said is that reports are that early voting is soaring in the 6th district.
http://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/6th-district-early-voting-soars/ZAYBYIWF5WX1wSOIkDLDPN/
IronLionZion
(45,435 posts)to inspire voters to vote. It's not to blame anyone for anything.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)There are certain issues that need to be addressed such as the crappy jobs available...and with retail folding, we may not even have those. Trump won on bad trade deals and had help from the Russians,Kremlin Jill Stein and Comey. Progressives got played as well with the fake Russian troll posts...He still barely won ...less than $100,000 votes in a few states...and he lost the popular vote...I really doubt all those things will happen again...a perfect storm.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...period.
Even at that, black women are the most dependable Democratic voters.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They are the base and future of our party.
They will recognize it if we pander to Trump voters and leave us in droves for the slight.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)The country is center left at best...and that is just a fact. We are going to have to run moderates in red area. If we are to assume the majority...we will need a big tent. It breaks my heart to say this. because if Hillary had been elected. We might have changed minds and hearts with some of her policy goals particularly in the area of jobs and we would have the courts as well...but she wasn't elected and now we took a giant step backwards.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Never said we shouldn't.
I also find that to be insignificant to the point. Our platform needs to stay in it's current and progressive state.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)We won't get single payer or a $15.00 minimum until we take back the government...we had 60 votes early in Pres. Obama's administration but Stupak and the guy running in Virginia (perriello) along with other pro-life Democrats ruined our chances for single payer. And ended up weakening abortion rights in the ACA with the Stupak amendment as well. Next, Lieberman wrecked our chances for Medicare for 55 and over. It is going to be a shit show to get anything done especially since we lost the courts as well. How many times have we held all three branches of government with a 60 vote majority in the senate? We won't even get judges approved without a senate majority now. Democrats face an uphill battle. And we should be considering effective strategy that will help us win elections.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I want to keep beating the drum of the platform that polls unbelievably high from issue to issue. In red states and blue states. Backing down nationally is a losing strategy.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)However, many seem to think we need to run candidates who reflect the platform in red states. Quist is a good example of a bad candidate...there were several other experienced candidates who could have run...but the state party chose him. We need a Howard Dean strategy. If we look at the 16 electoral map...there are over 20 seats up for grabs...we need to make the most of it.
BumRushDaShow
(128,933 posts)Take half of that to ballpark potential voters within that group and we are talking about a small % of the total voters for the district.
There seems to be a narrative that blacks have a higher population that they really do in this country.
IronLionZion
(45,435 posts)The importance of their votes to our party in many swing states and districts is the issue. There's a reason why the GOP in the South is bringing back voter restrictions and trying to desperately gerrymander as many of them into a few black districts as possible.
People move. Demographics change faster than they can draw the district lines. We need those votes.
BumRushDaShow
(128,933 posts)The most gerrymandered and suppressed group is being told - "Get up n****r and run the gauntlet to vote so we can sit on our asses and maybe think about voting ourselves".
I expect there are plenty of progressives/liberals in these types of districts who are sitting home vs blacks who tend to vote 90% of the time, because WE have more to lose than them, and the fire hasn't been lit under them enough yet...
Hopefully with this last election, some fire got accelerated under those non-POC voters (the appearances at Town Halls is a possible sign).
IronLionZion
(45,435 posts)Our side definitely needs to inspire and energize our voters more. There's plenty of room for improvement.
BumRushDaShow
(128,933 posts)as there was a rumble of discontent that lead to the House flip after 12 years. Only downside is that since that time, with the 2010 census and redistricting, it's harder to do... although a number of those re-drawn districts were "close" in terms of party registration (the "swing" districts) but had just enough to flip them to R.
The focus needs to be STATE races and getting control of legislatures/governorships in time for the 2020 census (and next round of redistricting).
IronLionZion
(45,435 posts)since they control redistricting and a lots of good laws are passed at the state level.
Also a state senator made it to the White House in 4 years very recently. If Obama can do it, so can some other fresh face from our party with very little baggage.
BumRushDaShow
(128,933 posts)was ALEC. We were finally able to get many of the major corporate sponsors to pull out of that group but there are still a handful of draconian "legislative drafts" still in play and being enacted in red states. IMHO, we need some more think tanks to develop our own state legislation drafts that would be ready to go when the time comes.
IronLionZion
(45,435 posts)that explores many of these issues and how legislators blatantly copy/paste ALEC laws in various states deliberately to stop people from voting. ALEC's leaders have been on record boasting about how voter suppression helps conservatives win.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film)
BumRushDaShow
(128,933 posts)I don't have Netflix but a sister does. Will have to add to my "must watch" list.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)money for state elections or midterms. Thankfully that has been reversed.
IronLionZion
(45,435 posts)the national party can work with state and local parties to coordinate better on supporting candidates and raising funding and other stuff. The GOP always appears more organized than our side.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)As a person who works in every election...I can tell you mid-terms do not get many personal donations...not do state races. That is how it works.. Without properly funding the DNC, we won't win. The GOP has dark money...millions...there is 100 million coming against Sherrod Brown in Ohio.
BumRushDaShow
(128,933 posts)there are still established or remnant "political machines" in many states and trying to navigate and/or unwind those is probably difficult.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,933 posts)Bob Brady is head of the local Democratic Party and is also a Congressman. Not that he doesn't "rally the troops" but IMHO, the "head" should be someone who is more grass roots and not trying to split jobs. The city turnout in off-year elections (like this year, where judges and the city D.A. was up) is abysmal. That is when "the machine" disappears.
We also have a very strong and often cliquish group of Ward Leaders here. If you have watched Tweety in the past, he has talked about this (since he was at one time a local).
http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/local/politics/93629-why-philly-ward-leaders-matter
This often leads to in-fighting and battles for who "the party" supports in an election. It is something that is historic among political parties and as I noted, probably difficult to circumvent.
Interestingly enough, we just had a candidate for District Attorney win the primary who was not really endorsed "by the machine". Since the city is 80+% Democrat, he will get in and will represent a seismic shift in how the D.A.'s office runs, but this is an example of what we are talking about with grassroots organizers vs "the machine".
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)is available and craft a strategy to win...we are in a desperate situation.
BumRushDaShow
(128,933 posts)you still have to navigate around "the machine" because they can become a savior or our own worst enemy.
Thing is - those who lean towards the right and GOP tend to embrace "individualism" and as much as they appear to vote "en masse" like a "group", they are essentially nothing more than a group of "individuals" who are either directed to or are scared into voting the party line. Period. End of story. However on the left, there is a tendency for "the collective", which often magnifies some of the differences between the individuals more than the similarities. And "the machine" acts as a means to herd everyone towards the same goal, but in doing so, can sometimes piss off enough people to the point where they won't bother to vote at all.
So it is something (obviously long term) that needs to be dealt with - i.e., how to maximize the efficiency of "the machine" and minimize the voter rejection or apathy that often results from "machine politics".
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)mrsv
(209 posts)About that! I'm Black and I know there's alot of voter suppression going on!!! I was almost a victim here in Ohio. Tried to tell me and my husband would have to vote provisional after 20 yrs living and voting in same precinct and house. Had our address as an P.O. Box whichwe had 25 years prior when living in an apartment. Told them nevermind we'd go to Board of Elections to straighten out. Provisional ballots don't count. A dem poll worker called Board and we got to vote. Voter suppression is real against people of color. If people aren't inspired enough to vote with these assholes in office...seeing the damage they are doing every damn day...nothing is going to inspire them. That goes for minority as well as white working class voters who overwhelmingly elected trump. They need the inspiration.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)There is a GOP type at my polling place that has tried to force me to vote provisional more than once. I am White too...but he knows I am a Democrat...I can only imagine what you go through. I threatened to call the police last time, and he backed down...they closed most of our polling places as we went for Obama twice...and Cortland went for Hillary too last year...long lines but we still got out the vote.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Last edited Wed May 31, 2017, 02:52 PM - Edit history (1)
Vote.Democratic.
IronLionZion
(45,435 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)when I lived there.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)You speak truth. Until we stop eating our own, we will continue to lose...no one gets everything you want.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,785 posts)Next time, please consider the source, folks. Just sayin'
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)If we stay simple and focused then we are immune to their fake.news and bullshit
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)You should delete this as it is a right wing source.
"Patrick Ruffini [3] is a Republican Party political strategist[2] and blogger in the United States. He is a founding partner and Chairman of Engage, LLC, a Washington, D.C.-based political media firm, and now runs the political research and intelligence firm, Echelon Insights[1]"
IronLionZion
(45,435 posts)regardless of source
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)this post explaining that the article was written by a GOP operative with an ax to grind and why you thought it was proper to use a right wing source in this instance... to say this post is misleading is an understatement... as for 'earning' votes...I vote for Democrats. Like Cary, I say 'vote Democratic' period.
kentuck
(111,092 posts)...that the Democratic Party is not a "white man's Party". It is the Party of African-Americans and other minorities, as well as liberal white voters. The Democratic Party is their Party. There is not another option, at this time.
Just my opinion.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)While the alt-left have blown up two important elections with attacks on the democratic candidate. Often Blacks vote for Democrats even when doing so does not align with their overall interests, the alt-left uses any hot button to bash and encourage abandonment of the Democrat.
It is time for Susan Serandon and other knuckleheads on the alt-left to realize that sometimes we can't insist on getting everything that we want when we face a horrid alternative (the republican and republican policies).
ecstatic
(32,701 posts)that will take place in yet another election. The time to address GOP cheating, race based voter suppression & gerrymandering is NOW, NOT 2018.
IronLionZion
(45,435 posts)Our party wins when our people are energized to turn out.
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)IronLionZion
(45,435 posts)at this point I don't want to delete the OP because there is good discussion happening in this thread about important voter suppression issues.