DUers do you realize that Kushner is really up shit creek

[malaise]

without a paddle - greed and hubris will get you every time. I'm lovin' it.

[taught_me_patience]

1. I don't think so... his "trump" card

is a presidential pardon.

[drray23]

30. presidential pardons do not apply to state crimes

only to federal crimes. So, if he was involved in any dubious financial transactions with the russians and the state of new york charges him, he is cooked.

[deurbano]

34. Good to know!

[Duppers]

38. Very good to know!

Thank you!

[Honeycombe8]

50. Maybe the poster was talking about the backchannel thing, not the financial corruption.

There is no proven financial corruption (that has leaked) as of now.

[7962]

71. But the "backchannel" thing isnt going to get him in trouble either

as soon as its revealed that this is nothing new

[Eyeball_Kid]

61. I read that Schneiderman deferred his RICO case to the feds.

If that's the case, then RICO may become ONLY a federal crime. I'm not sure. But perhaps if all is moved to Mueller's jurisdiction, the NY state statutes may still be valid. I don't know. But it's a question that may need to be answered.

[Honeycombe8]

51. To get a pardon, you first have to be convicted.

He'd be toast by the time he's convicted, as far as in the administration. Let's hope there's not an administration by that time.

[flyingfysh]

57. Not true, look at Ford and Nixon

Ford issued a blanket pardon for Nixon for all possible crimes he might be charged with, and he hadn't been convicted of any yet.

Of course, it probably cost Ford the next election. People were very unhappy with Ford.

[reggaehead]

59. It won't be right away

Conspiring to commit espionage against the US is a pretty big deal. Yuuuge even. He'll sit in jail until just before Chump resigns

[JHan]

2. Even more disgusting is the way his alleged actions are being rationalized.

Not even a " let's investigate" but a " even if he did what he did it was okay "

[malaise]

7. Hacks and goons will be

hacks and goons - ignore them - it looks like he committed treason for money.

[bettyellen]

14. Yep, they had no interest in Syria for fucks sake....

And even if they did- we already had a president in office.

[malaise]

63. None of what they're saying makes sense

They are lying and they have been caught

[bettyellen]

66. The nerve of Flynn offering "some" records after what he has done?!? These assholes

Take the cake. They're brazen becasue they were drunk w power.

[malaise]

67. Same Flynn who was shouting Lock her Up

for no reason - they are unbelievable

[JHan]

55. the amusing this is they are defending the back channel part of the story..

but not touching the part where financing was a motive for him wanting a meeting set up without IC knowing of it.. that part "we don't know for sure" they say lmao.

[malaise]

60. We know

Turn on Chris Hayes.all Kushner and Cohen

[MiddleClass]

18. John Kelly, should resign in disgrace

He was the first administration official to say, it's okay. It happens all the time, it's normal, I wouldn't even raise an eyebrow.


He is the director of homeland security, I think it is homeland insecurity

[annabanana]

27. He beshat himself this past weekend.

Shame, that.

[dchill]

29. Not to minimize the facile contribution of HR McMaster!

[deurbano]

36. Yeah, what's with him?

[Honeycombe8]

53. I KNOW I know. It's unbelievable. nt

[ecstatic]

69. Or the "naive" defense....!

WTF?! That's the definition of privilege, imo!

[JHan]

74. Yep. And they use that often - "naive" , or regarding the President "Neophyte"

pretty insulting

[Wounded Bear]

3. I'm hoping that Trump's decision to run ends up destroying the whole family...

would love to see them penniless and living in one of their own slums.

I know, won't happen that way, but a guy can dream can't he?

[malaise]

9. Now that would be perfect

A fitting end for generations of nastiness

[Mme. Defarge]

33. Yes, I sincerely hope

it sucks to be them.

[lindysalsagal]

37. I don't see how it could result in anything else.

[SCVDem]

56. One big episode

Of Trading Places. Dan Ackroyd and Eddie Murphy.

[awesomerwb1]

4. I have 'trained' myself not to

get too carried away with all this sh*t.

These f-ers are cockraches. They know how to survive and have much too much power and influence. I'll believe it when I see it. But it's a very, very, very nice though.

[CrispyQ]

15. "These f-ers are cockraches. They know how to survive and have much too much power and influence."

What you said!

We will be lucky to oust Trump, much less any of the GOP rot at the top of the party. But I'm crossing my fingers.

[vlyons]

20. Trump won't get out of this so easy.

While they may have billions, they probably have more debt than cash and assets. So maybe big selloff and some foreclosures. Even if prison is not in their future, their reputations are trashed forever. What sane person would ever do business with them again?

[awesomerwb1]

58. True, but I was talking more along the lines of

the reps being in control of congress, senate, the DoJ factor, the future FBI chief, etc etc etc.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

5. I'll believe it when I see it. nt

[cwydro]

41. Me too. nt

[FakeNoose]

6. Sure - he's up the creek

He's probably going to jail for along time.

The question is whether he'll spill the beans on his FIL, and I'm thinking no.
I think he'll keep quiet and take one for the team.

They'll get him into that country club prison for the executives and white-collar criminals.
(I think it's in Connecticut?)

[malaise]

11. Did you see what his daddy did to his brother in law

You're way braver than I am re loyalty among this bunch ;evilgrin:

[maxsolomon]

24. in what universe do you think he's going to jail?

not this one. sorry to be a cynic, but no one goes to jail for this stuff.

worst case scenario, he resigns his unpaid position and leaves * alone, unmoored from anyone that can talk him off the ledge.

[Beartracks]

39. ... with a golden paddle.

[mercuryblues]

72. If they'll do it with ya

they'll do it to ya.

[chillfactor]

8. I am with you....

I am loving every minute of this whole kushner mess......his reputation will be destroyed.

[Wellstone ruled]

10. Kushner will be Pardoned on Federal Charges,

it is the State of New York who will burn his ass.

[malaise]

12. Good enough for me

[Wellstone ruled]

16. Appears New York will be the one's

that will dismantle the Trump Crime Family.

[MiddleClass]

28. Now we know why Preet Bharara was fired

Trying to shield the way to overcome sanctions and many indictments.

Good job cannot fire the state attorney that tracking him and his cronies down

[mercuryblues]

73. The state AG's work at the will of the president

That is not to say that there are norms set up. But ever since Clinton took office the repigs have been fucking with them.

It used to be a norm that when a new president came in, the Ags would tender their resignation. The Ags, when Clinton came in, had been there since Reagan and refused. Forcing Clinton to fire them. Then Bush the lesser was elected I forgot off the top of my head if he fired them, but he had a different scandal- He fired at least 8 or 9 midterm. Most of those he fired refused to look into the bogus claims of voter fraud. Obama came in and fired them.

But always, whether they quit or were fired they were not let go immediately. They were replaced in stages; depending on what the case load was and if replacements were ready to take over. I think it took Obama 2 years to replace all the AGs.

Now we have trump. He asked that they tender their resignation. Bharara refused, forcing trump to fire him. Then we found out what Bharara was investigating Russian real estate fraud in NYC and money laundering.

Like I said previously, even though AGs were officially fired under other presidents, they were not out the door until replacements could be found and confirmed. trump still has not named any replacements for confirmation. So now we have over 40 acting AGs.

[gratuitous]

13. He's in a bit of a jam, isn't he?

Either he thought it up all on his own with his very own brain, or someone told him and he believed it without checking with anyone else. "It" in this case being to approach the Russians about setting up a direct line contact with the Kremlin in the Russian embassy outside the security apparatus of the U.S. government. None of this set off an alarm for him? I look forward to his testimony under oath about who he talked to about this, and any written materials created for this hare-brained idea.

[bettyellen]

17. Yeah, and the nerve of them playing stupid when DT made him the most powerful person in the WH....

Fucking idiots. Hope his own lawyer is telling him to flip right now. Donald won't care if he goes to jail.

[malaise]

21. What pisses me off is the asinine view that he was naive

This was during the transition for the executive branch - read the fucking rules.

Rubbish - all greed, arrogance and hubris - they all thought they were the untouchables.
They will learn.

[gratuitous]

23. Yes, another youthful indiscretion

This naive young man is 36 years old. People of his ideological stripe pardon his naivete, but expect 7-year-old black kids to keep it cool when confronting an out-of-control cop who's handcuffing them in the classroom.

I would love to see Kushner on the hot seat under questioning by either Sen. Franken or Sen. Warren. Both of them have a great talent for gently walking witnesses through their testimony right up to the point where the witness realizes - too late - that they've said too much.

[better]

31. And not just that...

Many of that ideological stripe also pardon white folk like me training rifles on Federal Agents from fortified positions as "protesting government overreach", but regard a teenage black girl striking out against an out of control cop who is at that moment choking the life out of her "resisting arrest". That dynamic in particular really pisses me off.

Once your air is cut off, ANYTHING you might do to the person doing it, up to and including killing them, badge or not, is self defense against not merely a threat, but an active and immediate assault on your life. No exceptions.

It's one thing to have to trust a cop not to shoot before it becomes necessary to preserve their life.
Another entirely to have to trust them to STOP choking me before it becomes necessary to preserve mine.

[malaise]

43. Well said

[dalton99a]

19. Dumbass told Trump that firing Comey would be a genius move

Two very smart people

[malaise]

22. LOL

NOT!!

[MedusaX]

25. J-rod has a literal Trump card... right after #45 pardons on Fed crimes.. J will make a deal with NY

AG to reduce jail time in return for flipping on #45...

J-rod was apparently moving $$ out of country ...
perhaps a nest egg for after time served?

Nobody knows more / has access to more #45 Family dirt than Team Jar-Vanka...

And I am pretty sure that not even DNA ties would cause Ivanka to bat an eye at selling out all the male Trumpboyzzz... daddy included....

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. he's a rich white man, they find ways to be rescued from shit

maybe, this one will be different but so many powerful white men escape justice

[Warpy]

32. If sane people were in power, or if uncorrupted loonies were in power, he'd be out of a job now

and facing charges. Unfortunately, Republicans are in charge and they are both heavily corrupted and loony. They'll protect the traitorous little weasel as long as they possibly can because he and his wife are the glue that's keeping Dolt from blowing apart.

This is not normal. It will never be normal unless we all give up on this country.

[oasis]

35. When Trump interviews candidates for FBI Director, he'll ask

their opinion about the Kushner situation. Those who want the gig will give Jared a retro active green light.

[LiberalArkie]

40. If a man or company borrows money from Russian organizations, who do they think they are borrowing

from? How do they think they can just declare bankruptcy when the Russian Mafia holds the note?

Do they think that it is just business? But that is how a lot of people dealing with international companies think. I think that is why so many are found dead. The Russian government is the Russian mafia.

[malaise]

45. He knew exactly what he was doing

He couldn't even wait until after the inauguration...why?

[WinkyDink]

76. Trump figured to pay off his creditors and blackmailers ASAP.

[retrowire]

42. He's got plenty of paddles

He's rich.

[VOX]

44. Like father, like son: FELONS.

The apple didn't fall far from the tree.

Yeah, I know, it's Wikipedia...but good enough to document this:
<snip>
In the summer of 2004, Charles Kushner was fined $508,900 by the Federal Election Commission for contributing to political campaigns in the names of his partnerships when he lacked authorization to do so.[12] In 2005, following an investigation by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of New Jersey,[13] U.S. Attorney Chris Christie negotiated a plea agreement with Kushner, under which he pleaded guilty to 18 counts of illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering.[14] The witness-tampering charge arose from Kushner's act of retaliation against William Schulder, his sister Esther's husband, who was cooperating with federal investigators; Kushner hired a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law, arranged to record an encounter between the two, and had the tape sent to his sister.[15][16][17][14] Kushner was sentenced to two years in prison[15] and served 14 months at Federal Prison Camp, Montgomery in Alabama[18][19] before being sent to a halfway house in Newark, New Jersey to complete his sentence.[18][19][20] He was released from prison on August 25, 2006.[21]
<snip>

[malaise]

46. +1,000

Ratlords

[madokie]

47. Yup

Up shit creek without a paddle is correct.





To add: Ivanka will drop him like a hot potato when this happens too. After all that is a whole family of Grifters

[malaise]

48. Loyalty is not part of this posse

[Honeycombe8]

49. You think so? I don't know.

There are people in the admin. who are saying a backchannel is okay, and if not, not a big deal? Just a couple, but still. And he didn't actually create the channel, in the end. I wonder why.

But I don't know. I think I know what they were up to, but I'm not the one in charge, and I don't know the legalities of it all.

I think that maybe in the end, it'll be financial corruption with Russia that gets them? Knowing how they are all about greed and money, I'm just thinking that that's where the proof of criminality lies.

[malaise]

52. It will be the money

Of that I have no doubt

[Honeycombe8]

54. +1. nt

[spanone]

62. k&R...

[Arazi]

64. He'll escape jail but not without significant damage

I foresee him more like OJ Simpson - cleared of murder charges but so obviously guilty he's forever tarnished and untouchable.

Being a global pariah is another form of purgatory for these shitheads

[yuiyoshida]

65. Do you really believe the Republicans

will do anything about Kushner? I don't

[GitRDun]

68. He is not...

First of all, there are NO facts on the table...only anonymously reported stories.'

There are competing narratives over who wanted the back channel communications, the Russians or Kushner.

We don't know if the intent was to commence back channel communication before or after election.

We don't know what the purpose was.

All we have is a pattern of Russia...Russia...Russia...conceal...conceal...conceal.

I see the smoke, but I'll wait til I see if it's a fire or just some ass hat with a smoke bomb lol.

[Mr. Ected]

70. WE DON'T KNOW

But the IC knows. The Gang of 8 knows. The special prosecutor knows. The NY AG knows. The FBI knows. Comey knows. All of the perps know. And best of all TRUMP knows. LOL!! It's so obvious he's the crook we know he is.

Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock......

[SoCalDem]

75. Like father, like son