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Why are people angry over kathy griffin but not Ted nugent ? (Original Post) JI7 May 2017 OP
I'm not upset about KG WhoIsNumberNone May 2017 #1
Me neither. The snowflakes know Dems often back down, giving them the advantage. TheBlackAdder May 2017 #19
Which people? Stargleamer May 2017 #2
I missed it. What did Ted Nugent do? GatoGordo May 2017 #3
This from 9 years ago. Initech May 2017 #17
Nugent is a moron. There are different standards. eom guillaumeb May 2017 #4
"There are different standards" NCTraveler May 2017 #57
I know! nt Laffy Kat May 2017 #5
Or the images that some made of President Obama greatauntoftriplets May 2017 #6
You forgot to mention the Hitler moustache WhoIsNumberNone May 2017 #21
There were so many! greatauntoftriplets May 2017 #39
Where did you get this pic? mercuryblues May 2017 #50
Twitter WhoIsNumberNone May 2017 #60
What did Kathy Griffin do or say? PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #7
She still could have done a little more with it. Vogon_Glory May 2017 #8
????? I still haven't a clue PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #10
OT Staph May 2017 #18
A fake red drenched trump head in her right hand on Twitter. I didn't look it up irisblue May 2017 #11
She also posted an apology on Twitter a few hrs back. irisblue May 2017 #12
Thank you for that. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #13
I Couldn't Stand nugent Long Before I Knew Anything About His Politics... JimGinPA May 2017 #9
IOKIYAR hedda_foil May 2017 #14
Nugent's mouth has gotten plenty of his shows cancelled. EL34x4 May 2017 #15
And it got him invited to the Whitehouse, so there's that Orrex May 2017 #23
Because our society is a lot more comfortable scolding women gratuitous May 2017 #16
and don't forget Lewandowski physically attacking a woman and the Montana guy Bodyslamming a JI7 May 2017 #20
Excellent point malaise May 2017 #59
That's a big ten-four. raccoon May 2017 #31
Nugent has been visited by the Secret Service on more than one occasion. 7962 May 2017 #34
The next time you see Nugent apologize will be the first time gratuitous May 2017 #40
+1. n/t ronnie624 May 2017 #45
I'm pissed about Ted Nugent. I'm really pissed. Bucky May 2017 #22
There are lots of people angry about Ted Nugent oberliner May 2017 #24
Because images pack more of a punch than words onenote May 2017 #25
Exactly 7962 May 2017 #35
Pose with a mock-up of a beheaded US President and you're going to hear about it BeyondGeography May 2017 #26
+++++++ LeftInTX May 2017 #29
You mean you missed this? BumRushDaShow May 2017 #30
Yeah, and Griffin wanted a piece of that action BeyondGeography May 2017 #33
Where's the chopped off head? 7962 May 2017 #36
Huge honkin' rifle in the mouth action. BumRushDaShow May 2017 #38
I dont see how so many arent getting that. 7962 May 2017 #37
The are both idiots with no filter. CentralMass May 2017 #27
Amen to that! nt 7962 May 2017 #41
Damn good question. Paladin May 2017 #28
And that will only accomplish getting more support for trump. 7962 May 2017 #42
BLM just got a Global Peace Prize BumRushDaShow May 2017 #43
Wow, they got a prize. Good for them. They've faded away like Occupy did. 7962 May 2017 #49
They haven't "faded away" BumRushDaShow May 2017 #55
We'll see how that works out. 7962 May 2017 #63
The NAACP has had to remake itself several times BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #69
Ah yes, go to the personal insults. When you've got nothing else! Very becoming of you. 7962 Jun 2017 #71
Not an insult BumRushDaShow Jun 2017 #72
Sounds like you've already thrown in the towel. Nothng more to discuss. (nt) Paladin May 2017 #44
Not at all. I prefer to focus on ACTUAL issues and facts & not revert to the sewer 7962 May 2017 #47
Nugent was investigated by the Secret Service for this and other statements. 7962 May 2017 #32
My annoyance with Kathy Griffin isn't because she did something mean to Trump xor May 2017 #46
very well put. And you're pretty much alone. 7962 May 2017 #48
Didn't Palin put shooting targets on a "who to vote out" map? mhw May 2017 #51
My mom would say "2 wrongs dont make a right" 7962 May 2017 #62
How bout Portlad. With Trump beating that drum of Hate. mhw May 2017 #65
Agree. GOPers did far worse to Obama, but we really do have to be above that junk, even if it costs Hoyt May 2017 #53
Which would have been hilarious! nt 7962 May 2017 #64
I'm more upset that closer attention isn't being paid to the Portland murderer. Initech May 2017 #56
Ted is with the GOP, he can do no wrong RainCaster May 2017 #52
It's not an either/or situation Lotusflower70 May 2017 #54
It's Because of Who She Attacked, Not What She Did Leith May 2017 #58
It's the typical Repub double standard. GallopingGhost May 2017 #61
Double fucking standard. BigDemVoter May 2017 #66
Husband said two things marlakay May 2017 #67
A lot of people were angry at the despicable Nuge, but he wasn't associated with a mainstream comp. aikoaiko May 2017 #68
Yes, he hasnt been "mainstream" for about 35 yrs! 7962 Jun 2017 #70
Agreed. aikoaiko Jun 2017 #73

WhoIsNumberNone

(7,875 posts)
1. I'm not upset about KG
Tue May 30, 2017, 08:56 PM
May 2017

But it was stupid. I could have absolutely predicted the blowback, and she's gained nothing from it- Except maybe the attention of the Secret Service, if the latest Twitter gossip can be believed...

TheBlackAdder

(28,193 posts)
19. Me neither. The snowflakes know Dems often back down, giving them the advantage.
Tue May 30, 2017, 11:16 PM
May 2017

.

I would have made it look more like Russia or Putin was doing it, the inevitability of their relationship.

.

Stargleamer

(1,989 posts)
2. Which people?
Tue May 30, 2017, 08:58 PM
May 2017

The spot-on and fully-justified anger that has been directed towards Nugent on DU has gone on for years. It's just that we don't always seem to count. Nugent isn't ever called on to address our anger.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,735 posts)
6. Or the images that some made of President Obama
Tue May 30, 2017, 09:02 PM
May 2017

Such as the visual of him as an African witch doctor or being lynched. RWers thought those were great.

I laughed at Kathy Griffith's bloody head.

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
8. She still could have done a little more with it.
Tue May 30, 2017, 09:14 PM
May 2017

She could have put on a name-tag that read "Hi! I'm Judith" or for Vorkosigan fans, put what's-his-name's noggin inside a fancy shoe store bag.

irisblue

(32,973 posts)
11. A fake red drenched trump head in her right hand on Twitter. I didn't look it up
Tue May 30, 2017, 09:24 PM
May 2017

It was on buzzed.com site this afternoon. It was a shock post.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,855 posts)
13. Thank you for that.
Tue May 30, 2017, 09:25 PM
May 2017

I don't hang out on as many social media sites as a lot of others do, so sometimes I miss something. And then when something is posted with no context, I'm quite befuddled.

JimGinPA

(14,811 posts)
9. I Couldn't Stand nugent Long Before I Knew Anything About His Politics...
Tue May 30, 2017, 09:20 PM
May 2017

I grew up around St. Louis and back in the 70's he had a concert at the (then) Kiel Opera House. I wasn't there for that one but I had seen him a couple other times. Apparently he came out for that show wearing a fur loincloth with a bow and arrows. He thought it would be funny to shoot arrows into the two wooden elephant heads above on either side of the stage, causing thousands of dollars of damage. That bothered me a hell of a lot more than a comedian making a video trying to be funny.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
15. Nugent's mouth has gotten plenty of his shows cancelled.
Tue May 30, 2017, 09:50 PM
May 2017

I think it even cost him a TV show on some hunting channel.

Sorry, but Griffin's bloody head was over the top. She looked crazy and unhinged. This kind of stuff is going to backfire.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
16. Because our society is a lot more comfortable scolding women
Tue May 30, 2017, 10:14 PM
May 2017

Griffin posing for a photo with a clearly phony disembodied head is Hitler to the Stalin squared, but Ted Nugent repeatedly threatening the President and the Secretary of State on stage is shrugged off because men will always find support for violence in word or deed. Check out any of the stories about the Portland Dumbass; there are actually people defending him and condemning the victims! Never read the comments.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
20. and don't forget Lewandowski physically attacking a woman and the Montana guy Bodyslamming a
Wed May 31, 2017, 02:14 AM
May 2017

reporter .

CNN hired Lewandowski after what he did.but they say they are checking to see if they should keep griffin for the new years eve shows.


 

7962

(11,841 posts)
34. Nugent has been visited by the Secret Service on more than one occasion.
Wed May 31, 2017, 09:12 AM
May 2017

As will Griffin.
Anyone who defends this type of nonsense on either side is part of the problem. And here on DU i see members sinking lower and lower into the cesspool the RW used to occupy by itself.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
40. The next time you see Nugent apologize will be the first time
Wed May 31, 2017, 11:23 AM
May 2017

Also, the next time you see a right winger condemn Nugent for his fascist antics will also be the first time.

Bucky

(54,005 posts)
22. I'm pissed about Ted Nugent. I'm really pissed.
Wed May 31, 2017, 06:27 AM
May 2017

He threatened to murder the president and sexually assault secretary Clinton. He's a disgusting man. I'm disgusted it all Republicans who associate with him. He is worse than Kathy Griffin.

That said, Kathy Griffin was wrong. And she was right to apologize.

onenote

(42,701 posts)
25. Because images pack more of a punch than words
Wed May 31, 2017, 08:41 AM
May 2017

Which is why ISIS video tapes beheadings rather than merely send out press releases describing them.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
26. Pose with a mock-up of a beheaded US President and you're going to hear about it
Wed May 31, 2017, 08:50 AM
May 2017

Go figure. If some high-profile Obama hating wingnut went as far as Griffin did it would have disgusted me. Even Nugent wasn't that stupid.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
37. I dont see how so many arent getting that.
Wed May 31, 2017, 09:15 AM
May 2017

Its starting to be "Its ok, because its my side doing it". Which is pitiful.

Paladin

(28,257 posts)
28. Damn good question.
Wed May 31, 2017, 08:56 AM
May 2017

The Repubs control all three branches of the federal government, the Russians helped install a nutcase in the White House, a century's worth of social progress is being flushed down the toilet, and our country is no longer viewed as the world's leading democracy. So my question to you wimpy, self-conscious Democrats is this: Where did our polite behavior do us any good? Which leads to some other questions: When are you going to get ANGRY? What are you willing to do, to GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK?

I back Kathy Griffin's actions, and I want to see plenty more of the same sort of outrage.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
42. And that will only accomplish getting more support for trump.
Wed May 31, 2017, 12:57 PM
May 2017

Most people arent like the people here and on other sites, they dont really follow everything. They see shit like this over and over and its just going to push them to sympathize with trump. just like making a big deal out of getting 2 scoops of ice cream or a screen shot of what MAY be him with his eyes closed at a meeting. Stick to serious stuff and leave the bullshit to the crackpots.
A good example is the BLM protests. many people were backing them; then they just HAD to start invading restaurants & trying to block roads and a lot of people said "screw them". They ruined the public support by being assholes. this is the same thing

BumRushDaShow

(128,962 posts)
43. BLM just got a Global Peace Prize
Wed May 31, 2017, 01:02 PM
May 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141788023

Comparing BLM to entertainers doing their "entertainment thing" is not only disingenuous but ridiculous.
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
49. Wow, they got a prize. Good for them. They've faded away like Occupy did.
Wed May 31, 2017, 03:47 PM
May 2017

And for similar reasons; too many differing agendas competing & too many bad publicity stunts.
Plenty of articles out there on the hows & whys of them no longer being as prominent as they used to be.

BumRushDaShow

(128,962 posts)
55. They haven't "faded away"
Wed May 31, 2017, 05:37 PM
May 2017

They have actually dug in via the establishment of a number of chapters nationwide and are making significant inroads into highlighting the problem and getting it "on the agenda" of not only the municipalities where they exist, but in coordination with other groups. And they have actually caused a seismic shift within the civil rights movement itself and its traditional organizations.

For example, just a bit over a week ago, the 108 year old NAACP made a major decision to dismiss their current head in order to "re-tool", explicitly because of groups like BLM, who are now doing what they once did in the past.

From the linked NYT article -

[*** N.A.A.C.P., Energized by Liberal Activists, Dismisses Its President

By YAMICHE ALCINDOR MAY 19, 2017

The sudden change at the top of the N.A.A.C.P. shows how the energy of liberal activists in the era of President Trump is forcing upheaval even in institutions like a century-old civil rights stalwart. Mr. Brooks was hardly reserved in his own activism. He was arrested in January for leading a sit-in at the Alabama office of Senator Jeff Sessions, trying to block his confirmation as attorney general.

But the board of the N.A.A.C.P. wants a new face of the organization. Mr. Russell and Mr. Johnson said the group needed to more effectively push back against Mr. Trump’s stances on issues like voting rights laws, public education, environmental policy and the criminal justice system. The group, which has been eclipsed in many ways by the more youthful Black Lives Matter movement and the broader opposition to Mr. Trump, is embarking on a listening tour of cities across the nation to get ideas about how it can remain relevant.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/naacp-fire-cornell-william-brooks.html ***]

From NPR -

[***
NAACP Is Looking For New President, 'Retooling' Entire Organization

May 19, 20175:06 PM ET

<...>

Explaining the choice to replace Brooks, Russell and Johnson didn't identify a particular thing that Brooks had done wrong — or even one thing that the NAACP, as a whole, had been doing wrong.

But they said the group needs to be stronger in advocacy and education, and better equipped to support local activism.

Brooks told the New York Times he was "baffled" by the choice not to extend his contract.

The NAACP, once the most prominent voice for the rights of black Americans, has recently been accused of losing relevance as new groups — like the Black Lives Matter movement — take the spotlight.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/19/529169100/naacp-is-looking-for-new-president-retooling-entire-organization ***]

So no, they are not only around but are driving the stalwarts to change and adopt new methods for demanding rights.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
63. We'll see how that works out.
Wed May 31, 2017, 10:17 PM
May 2017

And poor treatment of a guy who worked hard for the organization. I wonder what will become of the 100+ yr old institution after they've taken over. Who knows, maybe they've seen the error of their ways. I havent seen a highway blocking incident lately, maybe they've learned how to use honey instead of vinegar

BumRushDaShow

(128,962 posts)
69. The NAACP has had to remake itself several times
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 06:45 AM
Jun 2017

over the past century. When young whippersnappers like John Lewis from SNCC pushed for the NAACP and SCLC to get youth involved and implement some of the tactics you see today (e.g., sit-ins), which by their very nature are as "disruptive" as a highway blocking.

But of course in your America, n*****s are supposed to know their place.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
71. Ah yes, go to the personal insults. When you've got nothing else! Very becoming of you.
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 07:19 AM
Jun 2017

A sit-in is hardly anything like blocking a highway. but if you think thats great PR, have at it. You're just pushing more people away from the cause. I've seen it already with people far older than i am who have been involved for decades in protesting. The end result of that nonsense will be more people just driving thru them. And most likely not be punished. A sit in gets the media, but doesnt piss off the public

BumRushDaShow

(128,962 posts)
72. Not an insult
Thu Jun 1, 2017, 07:30 AM
Jun 2017

but the perception about your post that basically tells POC to politely demand their rights or shut up.

A "sit-in" in a restaurant "blocked" privileged whites from being seated to eat.



A "die-in" (promoted by the early AIDS activists like "ACT-UP&quot "blocked" the public from walking on a sidewalk or even car passage on streets.



A "sit-in" in the lobby or lawmaker office in a state Capitol building "blocks" the righteous public from access to their lawmakers.



Keep digging.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
47. Not at all. I prefer to focus on ACTUAL issues and facts & not revert to the sewer
Wed May 31, 2017, 03:42 PM
May 2017

There is PLENTY of ammo against trump without giving his followers incidents like this to take the focus OFF the bad stuff.
But everyone seems happy enough to go down the road of acting like fools; i just hope it doesnt backfire in '18.
You DONT hold up a severed head of a president no matter who the president is. And if thats seen as fine, then i guess all the awful ways people portrayed Pres Obama is just fine too. After all, THEY didnt like him, so why not? and further down we go...

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
32. Nugent was investigated by the Secret Service for this and other statements.
Wed May 31, 2017, 09:09 AM
May 2017

As he should have been.
Griffin's act will also be investigated, as it should.
NO excuse for this type of crap from either side

xor

(1,204 posts)
46. My annoyance with Kathy Griffin isn't because she did something mean to Trump
Wed May 31, 2017, 01:25 PM
May 2017

but rather that her actions will be used by the right to strengthen their base and essentially give them some extra ammunition. For however long we're going to be reminded of her actions whenever we point out something ridiculous that the right does. For example, if someone does something similar to whoever the next democratic president is or even to Obama/Clinton/etc right now. It also distracts from the real important stuff that is actually going on. Similar to how Trump's stupid tweets have a similar effect.

So me it's not about being upset that someone would be so "mean" to Trump, but rather that whatever enjoyment she got out of it doesn't make up for the potential harm it causes those opposed to Trump and the gain it gives to Trump.

 

mhw

(678 posts)
51. Didn't Palin put shooting targets on a "who to vote out" map?
Wed May 31, 2017, 05:03 PM
May 2017

The right has no business jumping on anyone else.

They've been inciting murder & "culling the herd" bs for years.

Why just the other day a Gop Tx rep offered to put a bullet in his Dem counterpart's head over sanctuary cities.

They're a bunch of thugs & have zero to bitch about.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
62. My mom would say "2 wrongs dont make a right"
Wed May 31, 2017, 10:08 PM
May 2017

And the palin map is a bad example anyway. there are examples of Dems using the same graphics.

 

mhw

(678 posts)
65. How bout Portlad. With Trump beating that drum of Hate.
Wed May 31, 2017, 10:20 PM
May 2017

There are plenty of examples thay gives the hate monger award to the repubs.

So CNN finally chooses to go high in this one case.
They could have included a total no tolerance, and admonished also any Rep in politics as well. There ate many examples to draw fro..


Hate begats hate.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
53. Agree. GOPers did far worse to Obama, but we really do have to be above that junk, even if it costs
Wed May 31, 2017, 05:05 PM
May 2017

us some elections. I'll be darned if I am going to act deplorable because the "Deplorables" do it so well.

Look forward to seeing Griffin on TV again, but I wish she'd have done something like having a big fat pig run across the stage with a Trump hairpiece or something.

Initech

(100,070 posts)
56. I'm more upset that closer attention isn't being paid to the Portland murderer.
Wed May 31, 2017, 05:40 PM
May 2017

The guy is a white supremacist who attended an alt right white power rally right before the stabbing and cried free speech and patriotism before his arrest. That to me is more dangerous than what Kathy Griffin did.

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
54. It's not an either/or situation
Wed May 31, 2017, 05:07 PM
May 2017

I am angry at both. Of course, I can't stand either one. Both fighting to remain relevant but neither are.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
58. It's Because of Who She Attacked, Not What She Did
Wed May 31, 2017, 06:02 PM
May 2017

It was a fake head of their guy. If it was a fake head of a Democrat, they would have cheered.

To rethugs, it isn't what you do, it's who you do it to. Many of the posters on that cesspool site were confused as to why Democrats and liberals were not cheering over Comey's firing. The answer if clear to us: it's because it was a shitty thing to do, even to somebody we don't like. Therefore we condemned it. Our reaction was so completely outside of their way of thinking that they just could not wrap their brains around it. They actually expected us to applaud.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
61. It's the typical Repub double standard.
Wed May 31, 2017, 06:45 PM
May 2017

I personally don't care for what Griffin did, because I don't like violence, real or mock, but the people who are so outraged are the same ones who had absolutely no problem with that nitwit Palin putting a target over Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords district, then denied that it encouraged the asshole who shot her.

Sick hypocritical fucks, every one.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
66. Double fucking standard.
Wed May 31, 2017, 10:50 PM
May 2017

What about the comments about the Khan family. . . Grabbing women by the pussy? All the alt right, white supremacist behavior--the fact that the Republican Party has sold this country to the Russians?

FUCKING disgusting. ANYTHING Kathy Griffin did is acceptable. Hell, I would encourage more of it, as it obviously struck a goddamned nerve.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
68. A lot of people were angry at the despicable Nuge, but he wasn't associated with a mainstream comp.
Wed May 31, 2017, 10:55 PM
May 2017

Kathy Griffin's association with CNN was an easy target.
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