TOON: health care plans

[yurbud]

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[Hortensis]

1. This is a shockingly shabby misrepresentation of the ACA.

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I've never filled out an insurance form in my 3 years of coverage under the ACA. I spent about 15 minutes applying on the federal exchange, but only because I had to look up the income claimed the year before on our income tax return.

The day the ACA provisions came into effect, every insured person in America gained enormously. Coverages for the 70% who get their insurance through work changed like magic from dangerously inadequate to literally life-sustaining. And, of course, there are many million who are newly insured. Bankruptcies due to medical bills have dropped by half over the entire nation, in spite of the GOP's success in blocking millions in red states from coverage through the Medicaid extension, as a direct result of the ACA's reforms.

We all, every one of us, gained so much under the ACA that there is just no excuse for claiming otherwise.

On another thread, while expressing concern about the Democratic Party's policies, you seemed to claim here was too little difference between Republican and Democratic economic and foreign policies to matter to voters. Do you REALLY believe these things, Yurbud? And if so, why? Wanting single payer is no excuse for joining all those who claim the Democratic Party failed to provide real, important healthcare reform.

[yurbud]

3. the ACA is an improvement, but the real problem is for profit insurance

they are driving premiums ever higher and need to be kicked to the curb.

It is possible to say ACA is an improvement, and single payer would be even better.

My preferred option would be a national health service like Great Britain's, which would simplify things for consumers even further, but I'd settle for single payer.

[Hortensis]

4. I agree medical insurance is obsolete and that

for-profit paper shuffling wastes money that should go to medical care. And no one on the left wouldn't support a move to single payer.

That doesn't explain why you are marching with those trying to deny the tremendous benefits we have all gotten from the ACA.

These HUGE advances in coverages, costs, and standards of care are 90% of what those who have insurance, through work and through the exchanges, needed from healthcare reform.

And Democrats intend to use other means to extend coverage to those closed out by the evil machinations of red states, including moving some to single pay-type systems.

Going to universal single payer would merely provide more economically efficient coverage. That's a big "merely," of course, but hardly reason to trash advances like lifetime coverage for all conditions, guaranteed mental health coverage, no preexisting conditions, etc.

You should realize that forces that could destroy the ACA would also make a single-payer system impossible. And people won't fight to save a system lies have convinced them doesn't work.

Which again makes me wonder why on earth -- at this time in history! -- you are badmouthing the ACA right along with its enemies on the right. I know some passionate souls on both right and left would choose to lose all rather than compromise. But really! Surely you yourself will be in trouble if we do lose everything?

Btw, more and more companies are declining to offer group health to employees, and this trend is accelerating. I just throw this in in case you or people you care about are insured through work. That won't always been the case.

[yurbud]

5. you've given more reasons to cut for profit insurance altogether

[yurbud]

6. Why would single payer trash lifetime coverage for all conditions, guaranteed mental health, etc?

Conceivably, those things wouldn't even be an issue with single payer since for profit insurance came up with them to increase their profits.

[Hortensis]

7. It wouldn't, and please don't ascribe that nonsense to me.

Please, in fact, do not misrepresent anyone or anything related to the Democratic Party. This is DU.

[yurbud]

10. Please reread your post #4 & tell me what part I misrepresented

[yurbud]

8. the biggest reason to have single payer is it would be impossible to repeal...

the way GOP is attacking Obamacare.

For all it's virtues, ACA is a fairly complicated set up, which therefore can be kneecapped in complicated ways the average joe won't notice.

Single payer would be like Social Security or Medicare: it would be clear to anyone when it was under attack through underfunding or a return to the private sector.

Single payer would also get around the small employer problem since we could come up with a funding mechanism that decouples it from a specific job.

[flamingdem]

9. I agree. Fug this cartoon. The ACA was a huge political risk for Obama that he made for US

and millions have health insurance FOR THE FIRST TIME. Or affordable insurance for the first time.

Sorry that so many people are too fucking stupid to read and understand information. The stupid is not to blame however and we'd have Medicare for all if not for frickin Joe Lieberman

[Gothmog]

2. Great cartoon