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What is a "leak complaint?" (Original Post) MoonRiver Jun 2017 OP
It's another Piviot!!! FarPoint Jun 2017 #1
That's what I thought. Sigh MoonRiver Jun 2017 #3
Depends... Historic NY Jun 2017 #4
Hahaha! MoonRiver Jun 2017 #14
It could mean any of several things... jberryhill Jun 2017 #2
Cornered rat syndrome. MoonRiver Jun 2017 #5
Apparently he is going to inform the FBI marylandblue Jun 2017 #6
... MoonRiver Jun 2017 #9
Yep jberryhill Jun 2017 #11
Let's be clear about one thing: Comey's notes are not "personal" onenote Jun 2017 #25
Right, it might have violated DOJ policies but Comey wasn't a DOJ employee at the time so he could.. YCHDT Jun 2017 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author exboyfil Jun 2017 #30
"one of his grifter crew..." dchill Jun 2017 #31
Right. The question is whether Comey violated any rule or policy by retaining and disclosing onenote Jun 2017 #35
Comey would get a note put in his file. kwassa Jun 2017 #41
so if I write a personal memorandum to myself bluecollar2 Jun 2017 #40
It depends on the content of the "personal" memorandum onenote Jun 2017 #42
It is when the hooker misses the mattress. FSogol Jun 2017 #7
LOL oswaldactedalone Jun 2017 #17
or the mistress dalton99a Jun 2017 #46
Trump's slick but inept mouthpiece hasn't a clue. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2017 #8
perhaps FM123 Jun 2017 #10
I dunno.. Joanie Baloney Jun 2017 #12
I think that is to be filed with the Housing Authority. rgbecker Jun 2017 #13
Stupid lawyer talk for duncang Jun 2017 #15
cnn just said they would file it with the senate judiciary committee.... spanone Jun 2017 #16
But of course. Just more attempted distraction. MoonRiver Jun 2017 #18
Yep. They will just throw in file 13. marylandblue Jun 2017 #20
No he or his campaign pays for the personal.attorney marylandblue Jun 2017 #19
Good! MoonRiver Jun 2017 #23
Comey can leak his own memos if he wants...not classified. Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #21
Not necessarily. onenote Jun 2017 #44
People write all sorts of books and use their private notes...they Demsrule86 Jun 2017 #45
I hope Comey will countersue for abuse of process! ananda Jun 2017 #22
He SHOULD sue leftynyc Jun 2017 #26
It doesn't matter much but here is some information. Yonnie3 Jun 2017 #24
Could his pension be in jeopardy? exboyfil Jun 2017 #33
I don't think they can go far with this Yonnie3 Jun 2017 #39
I would bet that Comey consulted with at least one attorney during that episode GreenEyedLefty Jun 2017 #47
Dunno. Does it involve Russian hookers? JenniferJuniper Jun 2017 #27
Very important to the Predisent! Adrahil Jun 2017 #29
Yep! Remember this guy... MoonRiver Jun 2017 #32
He's who I was thinking of! Adrahil Jun 2017 #34
Depends on who you are. GallopingGhost Jun 2017 #36
I expect Comey will be fired for this. Horse with no Name Jun 2017 #37
"My covfefe sprang a leak! I demand a refund!" struggle4progress Jun 2017 #38
Weak complaint? bresue Jun 2017 #43
I'm sure his urologist is ready and waiting for him to make an appointment. JHB Jun 2017 #48

FarPoint

(12,447 posts)
1. It's another Piviot!!!
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 10:05 AM
Jun 2017

Taking the focus off of tRump....we need to push it back to tRump the liar and how he never, ever voiced one concern about Russian Election hacking to FBI...why? Because he was in in the job... supported the hack and wanted to cover it up.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
6. Apparently he is going to inform the FBI
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 10:07 AM
Jun 2017

that the former head of the FBI wrote personal notes about something he witnessed and then told a friend about it. Apparently this former head of the FBI even discussed his personal recollections with a few Senators.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. Yep
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 10:08 AM
Jun 2017

The man wrote unclassified personal notes and shared his personal notes with others.

The horror.

onenote

(42,768 posts)
25. Let's be clear about one thing: Comey's notes are not "personal"
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 10:56 AM
Jun 2017

When a government official, in the course of his official duties, writes a memo discussing matters that fall within his official duties, it is not a "personal note." It is an official government document. To conclude otherwise would be to create a loophole that would completely disable FOIA laws (which have enough loopholes in them as it is).

That's not saying that Comey violated the law by disclosing the memo. The fact that it was not "classified" certainly takes one set of potential charges off the table; but whether it violated any internal DOJ rules or policies is something that I don't have enough information to address.

YCHDT

(962 posts)
28. Right, it might have violated DOJ policies but Comey wasn't a DOJ employee at the time so he could..
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 11:02 AM
Jun 2017

... do what he wanted to within the law.

D2 Scoops rep seems to be another one of his grifter crew

Response to YCHDT (Reply #28)

onenote

(42,768 posts)
35. Right. The question is whether Comey violated any rule or policy by retaining and disclosing
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 11:31 AM
Jun 2017

a government document, even if he did so after he left government service.

Think of it this way. Government investigative files are not "classified" in the sense one needs a security clearance to see them. But they are government files and their disclosure is regulated. For example, there are exemptions from FOIA disclosure for government investigative files.

A government employee with access to investigative materials, generally can't make copies of written materials he or she created and take them home when he or she leaves government service. If they do and then they release these materials (which would be protected from disclosure by the government under FOIA), it would be surprising if there were not potential consequences.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
41. Comey would get a note put in his file.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 12:10 PM
Jun 2017

"The Justice Department, however, has limited jurisdiction over former employees. They can investigate but the remedy in the event of finding wrongdoing would be to make a note in Comey's file should he ever seek to be employed by the DOJ again.

Trump, through his lawyers, has long threatened legal action that never materialized. Trump threatened to sue Sen. Ted Cruz multiple times during the 2016 campaign, along with the Republican Party of Louisiana and The Washington Post. None of those lawsuits were ever filed."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/09/politics/james-comey-leak-complaint/

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
40. so if I write a personal memorandum to myself
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 12:05 PM
Jun 2017

Such as a diary entry....

You are taking the position that those become subject to oversight?

I don't buy that.

onenote

(42,768 posts)
42. It depends on the content of the "personal" memorandum
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 02:42 PM
Jun 2017

Let's say you are an employee of the DOJ and you attend a meeting at which a proposed merger under review by the Antitrust Division is discussed and you go back home and write the following "personal memorandum": "Dear Diary. Attended a meeting at work today at which we discussed the merger of ABC Company with DEF Company. I don't think we should approve it. But Tom, Dick and Harry all think we should approve it. They're such douche bags! Oh well, I don't always get my way."

That's not a "personal memorandum." That's a government document and you are not entitled to disclose it willy-nilly and you're not entitled to possess a copy of it after you leave government employ unless you have been given permission to do so.

rgbecker

(4,834 posts)
13. I think that is to be filed with the Housing Authority.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 10:09 AM
Jun 2017

Very common when your roof leaks in public housing or a Trump apartment.


Alternatively, in Moscow, if you have trouble with your prostitute at the hotel, and you have a leak, you can file a complaint with the desk clerk...or just enjoy it, if that's your thing.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
15. Stupid lawyer talk for
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 10:12 AM
Jun 2017

I don't know what I'm doing.

If someone talks to the prez. and it's not classified. Nothing is said when they go out and say we talked about "x". But some how Comey doing that same thing they call a "leak". If talking in public about a non-classified conversation with dipshit is against the law they need file the same complaint against a lot of r's.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
18. But of course. Just more attempted distraction.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 10:19 AM
Jun 2017

Are the American people paying for Chump's PRIVATE attorney?

onenote

(42,768 posts)
44. Not necessarily.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 06:23 PM
Jun 2017

His "own memos" are actually government property if they are related to his official duties and created while he was an employee of the government.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
45. People write all sorts of books and use their private notes...they
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 08:50 AM
Jun 2017

will get nowhere with a complaint against Comey, and will look even worse than today ...if that is possible.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
26. He SHOULD sue
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 10:59 AM
Jun 2017

for defamation and libel - degenerate donnie accused him of being a criminal (perjury).

Yonnie3

(17,491 posts)
24. It doesn't matter much but here is some information.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 10:51 AM
Jun 2017
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-lawyer-file-leak-complaint-after-comey-testimony-source-says-n770231

"Trump lawyer Marc Kasowitz will file the complaint with the DOJ's Inspector General and the Senate Judiciary Committee"

I think it is nonsense. At worst, Comey might get disciplined, oh wait, he's not an employee.

This is pablum for that dwindling group that is tRump's hard core base. The ones who watch Duck Dynasty and Honey Boo Boo. The ones who would vote for him if he shot someone on the street.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
33. Could his pension be in jeopardy?
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 11:18 AM
Jun 2017

It does beg the question of retention of documents after government service is over. There is an insane amount of precedence for it (every memoir by a former member of the government). So long as the material was not classified, I don't think a single person ever got in trouble for it. Can this material be legally retained? Technically it belongs to the government.

Releasing an official government document while still an employee?

Yonnie3

(17,491 posts)
39. I don't think they can go far with this
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 12:02 PM
Jun 2017

These documents were not classified. Official Government Documents are released every day. They belong to us!

He did not release them when he was in government service. My understanding is the memos themselves weren't released, just summaries.

There may be some internal FBI rules, but Comey should be an expert on complying with them.

These documents talked of meetings that the President tweeted about and discussed in interviews, which means Comey's personal observations are not covered by executive privilege.

I'm sure there will be some good analysis on the web. I don't have time to look right now.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
47. I would bet that Comey consulted with at least one attorney during that episode
Sat Jun 10, 2017, 10:00 AM
Jun 2017

Also, being an attorney himself and clearly a policy oriented person he was aware of what is and is not classified.

This whole thing also begs the question of whether or not a person's memory is a government document. The memoranda were records made from Comey's memory. I find it telling that he thought the conversations so unusual that he wanted to commit them to memory and subsequently to a record.

GallopingGhost

(2,404 posts)
36. Depends on who you are.
Fri Jun 9, 2017, 11:40 AM
Jun 2017

For a plumber, it's just another day on the job. For Trump, it means the shower wasn't to his liking.

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