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Chump's personal lawyer says he will file this, but what does it exactly mean and where would he file it?
FarPoint
(12,447 posts)Taking the focus off of tRump....we need to push it back to tRump the liar and how he never, ever voiced one concern about Russian Election hacking to FBI...why? Because he was in in the job... supported the hack and wanted to cover it up.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Historic NY
(37,453 posts)can't hold it all in.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Depends will pay, big time!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...none of which amount to a fart in tornado.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)that the former head of the FBI wrote personal notes about something he witnessed and then told a friend about it. Apparently this former head of the FBI even discussed his personal recollections with a few Senators.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The man wrote unclassified personal notes and shared his personal notes with others.
The horror.
onenote
(42,768 posts)When a government official, in the course of his official duties, writes a memo discussing matters that fall within his official duties, it is not a "personal note." It is an official government document. To conclude otherwise would be to create a loophole that would completely disable FOIA laws (which have enough loopholes in them as it is).
That's not saying that Comey violated the law by disclosing the memo. The fact that it was not "classified" certainly takes one set of potential charges off the table; but whether it violated any internal DOJ rules or policies is something that I don't have enough information to address.
YCHDT
(962 posts)... do what he wanted to within the law.
D2 Scoops rep seems to be another one of his grifter crew
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dchill
(38,545 posts)Frivolous filer for many years.
onenote
(42,768 posts)a government document, even if he did so after he left government service.
Think of it this way. Government investigative files are not "classified" in the sense one needs a security clearance to see them. But they are government files and their disclosure is regulated. For example, there are exemptions from FOIA disclosure for government investigative files.
A government employee with access to investigative materials, generally can't make copies of written materials he or she created and take them home when he or she leaves government service. If they do and then they release these materials (which would be protected from disclosure by the government under FOIA), it would be surprising if there were not potential consequences.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)"The Justice Department, however, has limited jurisdiction over former employees. They can investigate but the remedy in the event of finding wrongdoing would be to make a note in Comey's file should he ever seek to be employed by the DOJ again.
Trump, through his lawyers, has long threatened legal action that never materialized. Trump threatened to sue Sen. Ted Cruz multiple times during the 2016 campaign, along with the Republican Party of Louisiana and The Washington Post. None of those lawsuits were ever filed."
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/09/politics/james-comey-leak-complaint/
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Such as a diary entry....
You are taking the position that those become subject to oversight?
I don't buy that.
onenote
(42,768 posts)Let's say you are an employee of the DOJ and you attend a meeting at which a proposed merger under review by the Antitrust Division is discussed and you go back home and write the following "personal memorandum": "Dear Diary. Attended a meeting at work today at which we discussed the merger of ABC Company with DEF Company. I don't think we should approve it. But Tom, Dick and Harry all think we should approve it. They're such douche bags! Oh well, I don't always get my way."
That's not a "personal memorandum." That's a government document and you are not entitled to disclose it willy-nilly and you're not entitled to possess a copy of it after you leave government employ unless you have been given permission to do so.
FSogol
(45,529 posts)oswaldactedalone
(3,491 posts)dalton99a
(81,599 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)He doesn't know what he's doing, just like his client.
FM123
(10,054 posts)He didn't like the way the Russian hookers peed on him
(Sorry, gross I know)
Joanie Baloney
(1,357 posts)but I have one.
-JB
rgbecker
(4,834 posts)Very common when your roof leaks in public housing or a Trump apartment.
Alternatively, in Moscow, if you have trouble with your prostitute at the hotel, and you have a leak, you can file a complaint with the desk clerk...or just enjoy it, if that's your thing.
duncang
(1,907 posts)I don't know what I'm doing.
If someone talks to the prez. and it's not classified. Nothing is said when they go out and say we talked about "x". But some how Comey doing that same thing they call a "leak". If talking in public about a non-classified conversation with dipshit is against the law they need file the same complaint against a lot of r's.
spanone
(135,884 posts)but it's meaningless.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Are the American people paying for Chump's PRIVATE attorney?
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)So Trump can suck on lemons.
onenote
(42,768 posts)His "own memos" are actually government property if they are related to his official duties and created while he was an employee of the government.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)will get nowhere with a complaint against Comey, and will look even worse than today ...if that is possible.
ananda
(28,877 posts)This is ridiculous!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)for defamation and libel - degenerate donnie accused him of being a criminal (perjury).
Yonnie3
(17,491 posts)"Trump lawyer Marc Kasowitz will file the complaint with the DOJ's Inspector General and the Senate Judiciary Committee"
I think it is nonsense. At worst, Comey might get disciplined, oh wait, he's not an employee.
This is pablum for that dwindling group that is tRump's hard core base. The ones who watch Duck Dynasty and Honey Boo Boo. The ones who would vote for him if he shot someone on the street.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)It does beg the question of retention of documents after government service is over. There is an insane amount of precedence for it (every memoir by a former member of the government). So long as the material was not classified, I don't think a single person ever got in trouble for it. Can this material be legally retained? Technically it belongs to the government.
Releasing an official government document while still an employee?
Yonnie3
(17,491 posts)These documents were not classified. Official Government Documents are released every day. They belong to us!
He did not release them when he was in government service. My understanding is the memos themselves weren't released, just summaries.
There may be some internal FBI rules, but Comey should be an expert on complying with them.
These documents talked of meetings that the President tweeted about and discussed in interviews, which means Comey's personal observations are not covered by executive privilege.
I'm sure there will be some good analysis on the web. I don't have time to look right now.
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)Also, being an attorney himself and clearly a policy oriented person he was aware of what is and is not classified.
This whole thing also begs the question of whether or not a person's memory is a government document. The memoranda were records made from Comey's memory. I find it telling that he thought the conversations so unusual that he wanted to commit them to memory and subsequently to a record.
JenniferJuniper
(4,515 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Trump always manages to find complete nut cases!
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)For a plumber, it's just another day on the job. For Trump, it means the shower wasn't to his liking.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)Oh wait....