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[hatrack]

1. Damn straight - K&R!

[iluvtennis]

79. +++ agree

[DonCoquixote]

2. if I may humbly offer a possible answer

Becvuase this mess has exposed the outright sewer in which either connivers or bullies run things. We have a conniving little shit like Comey get roasted by a psycho named Trump. Personally, they can both go to hell.

[StevieM]

28. Well said. Comey's nobody to be admired. He put Trump in the White House through illegitimate means.

What does he care if Trump gets taken down? The GOP took back the White House, Hillary was humiliated and Neil Gorsuch is on the court. Mission accomplished.

[mountain grammy]

36. Yep!

All about Gorsuch.. I think he's a fucking Russian too.

[mtngirl47]

37. Financial reforms are being gutted,

Obamacare is being kneecapped, the EPA has been nullified, public schools are under attack, women's rights to control their reproductive health is being chipped away, voting rights are under assault, tax reform will make the rich even richer.

What did I forget? Oh yeah, some new war will be started soon to keep the MIC happy.

[murielm99]

64. +1

[Raine1967]

67. humbly, no question was asked.

I loved this OP.

[narnian60]

80. +1

[flibbitygiblets]

97. I think you may have missed the OP's point

With all respect, I don't think she was saying that Comey did everything right. I don't think her post was really even about Comey, per se. Something he said was a watershed moment for her, and probably millions of us:

"Please don't leave me alone with him."

As a woman, that comment jumped out at me too, right away: "Oh yeah, I know EXACTLY what that feels like".

And she thought "This ends NOW."

Brava.

[Pacifist Patriot]

104. Correct

Not a thank you to Comey, an expression of appreciation in general that the hearing made me realize some things I'd tolerated and can no longer endure in silence. Could have been anyone relating similar experiences, not him precisely. The timing coinciding with things happening in my life just brought everything together.

[lpbk2713]

3. Well stated.

The line has been drawn in the sand. Good going.

[mcar]

4. Good for you!

[NCTraveler]

5. Thank you!!!

[Squinch]

6. You do it! I'm having the same kind of response. No more. Tell us how it goes, will you?

[Pacifist Patriot]

12. I will thanks.

[trueblue2007]

7. ME TOO .... My little DEAL WITH ME .... i just bought 2 MACE spray containers on Amazon.

I will carry on me at all times. If I see Bullying especially of children, women, disabled, seniors etc, from now on I consider it my duty to SPEAK UP.






You said: " I am done and he inexplicably has something to do with it. World, men included, deal with me on my terms or fXXX off. "

[politicat]

22. Please go to a safe place and practice with little cans of spray paint or travel hairspray.

Defense sprays can be touchy, especially if there's wind or you're in a confined space. It does nobody any good if you get hit with blow-back. The cake decorating spray paint makes a really good training tool, since it's edible and very visible, and blows back about the same way. Also, practice running and herding panicking people, because that's the point of defense sprays -- to buy time to get away.

I swear I am not concern-trolling. Let's just say that someone close to me panicked and used a spray in a car. Training helps.

But otherwise, yep, I agree. No more playing nice. No more backing down. No more averted eyes.

[trueblue2007]

100. i will do as you posted. thank you for the wise recommendations.

[Ilsa]

24. I have a pair of Tiger Ladies and a lot of muscle,

and a fair amount of self-defense know-how. I might get some pepper spray, too. My last canister is way out of date.

I fight. If I get hit, I hit back. If I get shoved in public in a crowd, my first inclination is to push back. I've been hit, emotionally abused and physically, sexually abused. I don't have any fucks left to give either, and I'll take on a bully, knowing full well I could end up with painful injuries, broken bones. I'm simply tougher than I look.

[demmiblue]

8. Well that was refreshing...

in a total badass way!

[Pacifist Patriot]

15. I can live with badass.

Might make my kids giggle, but so be it!

[japple]

9. Hallelujah, Amen! Not sure why either but happy that you found that voice you

have been searching for. I hope you will shout it to the rooftops. Fly your freak flag girl (or whatever flag you want to fly.) I also hope your just desserts will come to you very soon.

[Pacifist Patriot]

18. That's what it feels like.

Finding your voice after choking it down. So weird that people see me one way when reality is so very different. Can think of literally 100s of times I have declined to say anything for fear of offending a male in just the last couple of years. Yet people see me as outspoken and forceful. If they only knew what women should be allowed to say without fear of censure.

[thbobby]

10. Being an old white man

You inspire me! I can't express how much pride and joy your posting gives me.

[Pacifist Patriot]

14. Thanks

That means a lot. 😊

[Lunabell]

11. And they'll call you "bitch".

Or slut or whore. Even some "liberal" men will too. But carry on and they can all go straight to hell! I'm with you, sister!

[Squinch]

17. It's inevitable, and that is the most correct response!

[Stonepounder]

26. You and Elizabeth Warren

Nevertheless, she persisted!

As an old white guy as well - you GO girl! (Not sure 'girl' is the right term here, but we don't seem to have a pithy pronoun for females who ain't gonna take it anymore! If you have one, let me know.)

[bdamomma]

38. Listen Kamala rose to the challenge too.

There is something bubbling over it could be the female persuasion, let's kick a$$.

[GaYellowDawg]

54. Or, "No, because you're not my son."

Then let the dumbasses figure it out.

Personally, I hope you lay waste to those assholes.

[Ilsa]

27. I'll take "bitch" and raise them to badass.

If you have to physically react, let the nastiness empower you.

[vademocrat]

43. "You say 'bitch' as if it's a bad thing!" - sign over co-worker's desk several years ago -

[stopwastingmymoney]

63. My sig gif

Love!

[rurallib]

16. happy to rec this - way to go!

[GallopingGhost]

19. Your post reminds me

of the Uppity Women series of books I have, by Vicki Leon.

You're in good company throughout history. Good for you!

[Pacifist Patriot]

32. Ooo, I am just about to finish a book series...

and on the look out for a new one. You just did me a solid. Many thanks!!

[GallopingGhost]

48. You're welcome!

I enjoy them. Not only are they an entertaining and educational read, they give you a shot of courage when you feel like you're faltering. Comes in handy sometimes!

[zentrum]

20. Here's a good article on why you feel that way.

From Dartagnon posting on DailyKos:

"Nicole Serratore has written for Friday’s New York Times what is probably the most acute and disturbing assessment of former FBI Director James Comey’s testimony before the Senate Thursday regarding his interactions with Donald Trump.....The parallels she draws between the behavior of a sexual predator/harasser and the behavior Trump exhibited to Comey in attempting to dissuade him from expanding his investigation into Trump’s Russian dealings are inescapable"

Serratore of the NYT's wrote:

As I listened to James B. Comey, the former F.B.I. director, tell the Senate Intelligence Committee about his personal meetings and phone calls with President Trump, I was reminded of something: the experience of a woman being harassed by her powerful, predatory boss. There was precisely that sinister air of coercion, of an employee helpless to avoid unsavory contact with an employer who is trying to grab what he wants.

On Jan. 27, Mr. Comey received a last-minute dinner invitation from the president, and then learned it would be “just the two of us.” On Thursday, Mr. Comey revealed that he had had to break a date with his wife in order to dine with Mr. Trump. Already, something about this “setup” made him “uneasy.”

He froze: “I didn’t move, speak, or change my facial expression in any way during the awkward silence that followed.”

[Leghorn21]

21. Genuinely inspiring post, Patriot - I am drawing energy off your strength and determination!

DO let us know what happens with you!

[Leghorn21]

52. See how it works, o weary one? We're doin this deal TOGETHER!

(not to be corny...but it's true, dadgummit)

Kumbaya, my dear!! - and rest well tonight!

[AnotherMother4Peace]

55. I believe you put into words the way a lot of us are feeling.

We're tired of it. I can recognize BS, but haven't always called it out. I'm now calling it out in a succinct, professional way. I have a male coworker who isn't very bright but has to be right and will bully his way to that end. Lately he's failing miserably with me.

[Pacifist Patriot]

57. As he should. Good for you!

[LuckyLib]

25. In my professional work life, whenever we had to attend a

meeting populated by a particular male jerk or jerks, we always wore dark power suits. When one of us spoke up to suggest or clarify something another would add on. Imagine the energy we have all put out to deal with the sexism and misogyny. It's part of why we all have such visceral hate for Drumpf now. We've known his type for years.

[Pacifist Patriot]

29. Haven't we though?

[StevieM]

30. Comey's absurd treatment of Hillary Clinton allowed for some horrific sexist treatment of her. (eom)

[Squinch]

105. Yes. That adds to my response to this. We try to thread the needle of how to get what we need and

want while not acting in such a way that we have to defend ourselves against mistreatment because we don't "play the game."

What Pacifist's post means to me is, "Yeah. Enough of that. They'll abuse us whether we are diplomatic or nasty or cooperative." I had the same reaction. No more deep thought to how what I say will be received. I'm too old for this shit, and being careful has done nothing for me. From now on, when people diminish me, they're going to get whatever is my strongest response.

[demmiblue]

31. Sticking this here, just because (warning: long toon)...

[Pacifist Patriot]

34. For reasons hard to explain...

That was particularly meaningful to me.

[calimary]

45. LOVE this, demmiblue!

What a great story - and morality play!

[blueinredohio]

33. Everyone should feel that way. Ihave noticed if you talk back to a Trump supporter they usually go

on their way. They don't expect you to respond

[suffragette]

35. I think part of why Comey's experience resonates ths way lies in how Trump separated and

Isolated him, then pressured him to do something unethical. Comey's feelings of discomfort and even revulsion are pretty clear. He even had to go so far as to appeal to Sessions in 'upper management' to not leave him alone with Trump, but received no assurances of support from Sessions.

Then he was fired.

Very similar to the pressure many women feel in enduring hostile workplaces and sexual harassment, especially those where they are pushed to the brink, but are unsure since there were no witnesses whether they could make a successful case.

Comey realizing that he had to start documenting each encounter and incident is testament to how pressured and stressed he felt in this environment.

Good on you for standing up for yourself!

[c-rational]

39. Go girl go!

[lib87]

40. Do it!

It feels so freeing to say 'eff you' to the system.

[mercuryblues]

41. this is for you

https://teespring.com/shewhisp#pid=370&cid=6531&sid=front

[Pacifist Patriot]

42. That gave me goose bumps.

Thank you!

[mercuryblues]

106. I just found this one

But I can't get it on here.

https://www.dmstee.com/hilldragon?side=front

Do not fashion me
AS A MAIDEN
Who needs saving
From a dragon

For I am the Dragon
And my voice
Is filled with Fire

[catbyte]

44. Amen, sister. I think we've all been there. I'm 61 & I've dealt with that shit more times than

even I can remember. If you ever need a graphic to express your disdain, this one works for me. I hope you don't think this is condescending, but I'm proud of you. Give 'em hell.

[calimary]

46. LOVE this, too!

[Pacifist Patriot]

56. LOL! Love it.

[Lotusflower70]

47. That's awesome

Good for you. You can only take so much. I work in the corporate world and a co-worker wanted help with a project. Basically he wanted me to fix his mess and take credit for it. I said sure I will help. I found he out was stealing my work and trying to pass it off as his. I held back the final data analysis and let him present the information he had. He ended up looking like a fool. I could prove the work was mine because I kept all my data backed up. I got the promotion he wanted and he got shown the door. Guys can call me a bitch if they want, I really don't give a fuck. They can call me a slut or a whore. It doesn't matter because the issue is their's not mine. Fly your freak flag, fight flag, fabulous flag. Do whatever you want. You know that place where you aren't going to take it anymore and you are strong, confident and comfortable in your own skin, that's where I am at. I don't care what anyone thinks. It's time to rise up and get after it. So come on strong ladies and good men, let's rally and show what we are made of.

[plimsoll]

49. A painful subject.

You broach a painful subject, not simply for women (though probably more glaring and damaging to the soul) but for many people who want to live within the norms of our society. We are told to be polite and respectful, but the people who demand this are unwilling to reciprocate.

I don’t want to blame “conservatives” for the reduced civility of our culture, clearly “liberals” have had a hand, but the demands for civility and insistence that liberals “work within the system” while applauding groups that subvert and consciously destroy the comity of our society has taken a toll.

We are left with a situation where the “not even people to me” are expected to maintain and nurture the society while the “Real American Patriots™” do everything in their power to damage the weft and weave of civilization. That they can fail to realize the damage they inflict on the nation beggars belief.

[annabanana]

61. Very well put.

And 100% accurate.

[BarbD]

99. Why should I always be a "good little girl"?

It is a difficult and very often lonely road to travel when society always asks "Why can't we just get along"? I am almost 80 and often did not have the luxury of fighting back because I was the sole support of my family. It is very reassuring to realize that those younger than me have such courage and awareness.

[Quayblue]

50. K&R

[Hekate]

51. Amen, Sister

Pushing 70 here, likewise zero fcks left to give.

[furtheradu]

53. You BLESS me & ALL the WORLD . THANKS 💖

Trust YourSelf.
Be BLESSED.
THANK YOU.
YAY!

[obliviously]

58. Unless you have a bunch of money

I don't see anything to be overly interesting here.

[Pacifist Patriot]

85. No clue what this is supposed to mean, but okay.

[Warpy]

59. Well, turning 50 is like that for a lot of us

and when you're dragging it behind you on a trailer, you'll have even fewer fucks to give, especially when it comes to men's opinions about much of anything.

Do expect the skinflint congregation to replace you. Your replacement will likely be inferior, but o bla di. They get what they pay for.

Helen Mirren once said the only regret she had in her live is not saying "Fuck off!" more often.

I guess the rest of us will just have to make up the deficit.

[Honeycombe8]

60. I identified with Comey's predicament, too! I didn't know other women did.

I thought...if that were a CEO who had called me in, I could imagine him saying, "You like your job? A lot of other people would like your job. Now, Honeycomb...would you give me a good time tonight? I'm a good guy."

That's definitely harassment and blackmail to keep my job! No doubt about it! I instantly recognized what Trump had done.

[Permanut]

62. A delightful post..

and a righteous rant.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

65. "You have struck a rock; you have dislodged a boulder; you will be crushed"

[MontanaMama]

69. May I use this image Bernardo de La Paz?

Love it. Thank You.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

71. Of course. It is not mine and is at least 30 years old. . . . nt

[MontanaMama]

72. It'll be on my office wall

Monday morning.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

74. I first saw it on my sister's wall about 30 years ago. I never forgot it. . . nt

[MontanaMama]

66. YOU Pacifist Patriot rule the day.

I'm 52 years old and I too, am damned done.

I'm done with the nonsense.
I'm done with the disrespect.
I'm done seeing women elected representatives told to sit down and be quiet.
I'm done being told I'm emotional.
Hell yes I'm emotional! You would be too if you had to fight over who rules your vagina.
I'm done seeing access to birth control slipping away.
I'm done with reproductive rights being stripped.
I'm done hearing a customer ask to speak with one of "the guys" when I own the business.
I'm done seeing my fellow women vote against their own best interest.
I'm done being told that I should "just be able to take a joke".
I'm tired and I'm done.

And. I see here that my sisters are also done. Tired and done. This gives me pause. This gives me purpose and THIS gives me hope.

Thank you PP.

[Tribalceltic]

68. You are Wonder Woman

Bring it on!

[KG]

70. you go.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

73. Lots of men have no idea. Make common cause with those who have a clue.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

75. What? What you wrote sounds great to me - but how does all this

relate to Comey? What are you relating to Comey about ?

[Pacifist Patriot]

88. It's not a thank you to Comey personally, it's actually the Republican Senators

who brought this to a head. Perfect timing with events in my life.

Their line of questioning was simply a trigger reminding me of all the times I've been in an awkward power differential situation and was either too flabbergasted to push back or felt too intimidated to do so. It happens to both men and women, but far more often to women since we're the ones most likely to be of lower power value in the dynamic.

The Senators asking things along the lines of:

"Why did you agree to dine alone?
"Why didn't you tell him yourself he was wrong?"
"Why didn't you complain to your boss?"
"Why didn't you quit if you weren't happy?"

etc.

Just realized that although I am a strong woman and am perceived as such, I too have kept quiet so as not to cause waves too many times in my life. I'm done with that.

[babylonsister]

76. Integrity, and you're worth it. Now you know your value.

This is a great post. I've always thought your were cool, so hugs to you!! xo

[Pacifist Patriot]

87. Thank you!

I've always thought you were too.

[MedusaX]

77. Congrats! Better Late than Never!!

I was very fortunate to have had a dad that knew the importance of female strength and independence...
And who was honest & upfront about the choices available...

Live according to everyone else's terms
& be well liked...

Or
Live according to your own terms
& prepare to be well hated....

(I have always chosen the latter of the two
and have zero regrets...)

I am happy to know that something positive
has occurred as a
direct result of the Trumptopian Nightmare
we are currently experiencing!!!
Make yourself proud!!

[SunSeeker]

78. Amen sister.

[DFW]

81. Good for you. As a man, I never had any problem with any of that.

My wife and I raised two strong daughters whom we taught to take shit from nobody. One of them just became the youngest (at 31!) partner ever in a prominent international law firm, and she sends recent grads from Harvard Law in tears out of her office, because they think their expensive suit and fancy diploma excuses poor language skills and sloppy legal work.

Gender should have long ceased to be a determining factor in how many fucks one should have to give.

[mnhtnbb]

82. As a Medicare card carrying woman, I applaud you!

Been there and tolerated the shit for decades, too.

I have a suggestion. Change your screen name to match your new identity. No more pacifism for you!

[beveeheart]

93. Just add No Longer to your name

and kick ass!

[WinkyDink]

83. Ha! You should try my world-view, as a woman age 67! No quarter given, mon ami.

[YOHABLO]

84. Got to love that. Stand up and fight!

[betsuni]

86. K&R

[Kentonio]

90. So happy you're going to kick some ass!

Show them what equality really means!

[doodsaq]

91. Awesome! Nt

[mrsadm]

92. You are inspiring!

"Whatever your fight, don't be ladylike"

Mother Jones

[wryter2000]

94. I couldn't believe Feinstein asked him that shit

I immediately understood why Comey didn't stand up or talk back. In that situation all you think about is "When can I get out of here?"

[Buckeyeblue]

95. Good for you

The only way to end sexism is to stand up to it. It won't just quietly fade away on it's own.

[saidsimplesimon]

96. Well done!

Excellent post and comments, worth reading top to bottom/

[Nitram]

98. Good time to start.

[MuseRider]

101. Old friend!

We really have not talked a lot to each other specifically over all these years but I have always admired you and mostly always agreed with you I think. Whatever, I have always respected you and even if I do not respond I read you when you post and when I see it.

It has been rush rush rush here, spring on the farm etc. so I had stopped to get a bite to eat. I read this while I was eating and almost dropped my veggie burger all over the front my myself and my beloved car. I had not been able to figure out why I somehow identified with this man Comey.

When he said he did not want to be left alone with that man, I got it a little. I just did not take it all the way because I was thinking in terms of just the job but it lingered and bothered me. Thank you for pointing all this out.

Long out of the office work force, hospital work force I do not have to put up with too much anymore. After 50 I did not care anymore what they said, by 55 I spoke up but like you and others I still swallow a lot just to keep the peace sometimes. I too will write things down I think I need to remember. Whatever, none of what I would say is any different that what I have read above but I thank you for bringing this up. Thank you for being that insightful. I simply could not figure out why I felt so much emotionally about his experience.

"Oh no, it will be just the 2 of us, okay?" Yikes, shivers.

[lunatica]

102. You go for it!

I'm 68 and have always been an in your face feminist. I love that women like you are still fighting!

[OregonBlue]

103. I thank you. The world thanks you.