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calimary

(81,466 posts)
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 12:09 PM Jun 2017

Thoughts on Megyn Kelly... after a widely-reviewed "modest" debut.

Last weekend's debut of NBC's new "sun-goddess/Wonder Woman" didn't move the meter all that much.

I'm a little late with this post, but it struck me - LAST TUESDAY, "gee, why haven't we heard the ballyhoo from the great, fabulous, obsessively-promoted new Megyn Kelly show? Wasn't this supposed to be the freakin' 'second coming'"? "Fox News' Blonde Bombshell Conquers New Network"? "15-Million-Dollar Baby Makes Good"? Or some such thing? Nope. The earth did not move. If her premiere had been boffo, as the trades sometimes say, everybody would have been all over it in the news the following morning. Crowing about the overnights. Fawning press and lots of self-congratulations in the NBC News executive suites. "Megyn Kelly Gamble Pays Off"?

Nope. Their prize hire had a ho-hum debut.


Even Breitbart used that wording: "modest ratings."

Ratings: ‘Sunday Night with Megyn Kelly’ Premiere Loses to Rerun of ’60 Minutes’ in Total Viewers
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/06/05/sunday-night-megyn-kelly-premiere-loses-60-minutes-rerun-total-viewers/
Megyn Kelly’s new NBC newsmagazine program premiered to modest ratings Sunday night, as it came in third place in total viewership in primetime behind Game 2 of the NBA Finals and a rerun of CBS’s 60 Minutes, though it did top the long-running CBS news show in the key demographic.

Megyn Kelly's NBC Debut With Vladimir Putin Falls Flat
https://www.forbes.com/sites/maddieberg/2017/06/05/megyn-kellys-nbc-debut-with-vladimir-putin-falls-flat/#4784e8267dca
Last night, Megyn Kelly's much-anticipated Sunday news magazine, Sunday Night with Megyn Kelly, premiered on NBC to only moderate ratings and unimpressed critics, despite scoring a headline-grabbing interview with Russian leader Vladimir Putin.
...
Critically, Kelly's Putin interview—an opportunity for Kelly to challenge and follow through with the Russian leader—was criticized as "boring," "a rough start" and "largely news-free." The rest of the program was anchored by Kelly's fellow NBC news correspondents and included an investigation by Cynthia McFadden into an addictive painkiller made by Insys Therapeutics and a look at elephant-poaching in Kenya by Harry Smith. (A final segment featuring toddlers and called "The Kid's Table" received mixed reviews.)

NBC's Megyn Kelly 3rd in total viewers, 2nd in demo in Sunday debut
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/336370-nbcs-megyn-kelly-3rd-in-total-viewers-2nd-in-demo-in-sunday-debut
NBC's Megyn Kelly got off to the modest start in the ratings race with her Sunday night news magazine debut, finishing third in total viewers behind ABC's NBA Finals pregame special and a rerun of "60 Minutes" on CBS.

Ratings: Sunday Night With Megyn Kelly Edges Out 60 Minutes Rerun
http://tvline.com/2017/06/05/sunday-night-with-megyn-kelly-ratings-premiere/
The tepidly received debut of NBC’s Sunday Night With Megyn Kelly drew 6.1 million total viewers and a 0.8 rating, besting a 60 Minutes encore (6.6 mil/0.6) in the demo while delivering 453,000 fewer viewers.
TVLine readers gave the newsmagazine’s launch an average grade of “D.”

Industry trade "Variety" tried to be kind...

TV Ratings: ‘Sunday Night With Megyn Kelly’ Opens Decently, NBA Finals Game 2 Ticks Up
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/sunday-night-with-megyn-kelly-ratings-nba-finals-game-2-1202453893/
“Sunday Night With Megyn Kelly” enjoyed a modest debut in the overnight ratings, pulling a better number than “60 Minutes” in adults 18-49.
...
ABC easily topped the night, thanks to coverage of the NBA Finals.


Uh-oh - there's that word again ("modest&quot , even though their headline was - well - uh. The best they could do was "decently". OUCH.

Gotta say - I'm not surprised. I've never been that impressed with her. But then again, I'm not a horny old white dude, either. Even during the GOP candidates debate she co-moderated, where it looked like she was busy, knowing she had a national audience beyond just Pox Noise viewers, and may have wanted to present herself as NOT just another a Pox Noise sycophant. I've just never been all that impressed with Megyn Kelly. I think she stood out because she was the Alpha blonde - on prime time over there. The one with the strongest cheekbones, maybe? The one whose then-long hair swept over one shoulder more alluringly than the other blonde-bimbo anchorettes over there? Maybe because her voice is lower in pitch than the rest of 'em, so she sounds more serious and credible than the chirpy bubble-heads do? I STILL don't get what the big deal is about Megyn Kelly. Seems like much ado about not that much.

If her ratings continue to be "modest," and "tepidly received," it'll be interesting to see how NBC responds. Granted, she does have the hosting assignment of third hour of the "Today" show coming up. That'll be interesting. I've already seen the speculation about whether she'd have problems appealing to women viewers (rather than the horny old white dude demographic that dominates at Pox Noise). I'm looking forward to seeing that roll out.

Maybe it's just me, but I simply don't think there's anything there. Never did understand Megyn Kelly's appeal, or why she became such a sensation. Granted, it's only been a week. But tonight's ratings will be MOST interesting and frankly, it doesn't sound like she has what you'd call a blockbuster lineup ready to go. Spent it all on Vladimir Putin, which would ordinarily be expected to be a very topical and relevant must-see event. And it was blah. If tonight's ratings aren't stellar, she may already be in trouble. Or at least tarnished. She'll go into her daytime gig without the wind at her back, and the angle will be - can she recover from her lackluster prime time performance?

The NBC brass must already be nervous about all that money they put out, all that schedule and talent shuffling they went through to accommodate their glitzy new hire, all the loyal longtime employees they messed with and the disruption that caused to make room for her, and whether she was worth it.

I'm already convinced that it wasn't worth it. But then again, it's only been a week. They're gonna cling to her for at least a little while. But DAYUM - if she doesn't knock 'em dead in daytime, she's probably toast.

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Thoughts on Megyn Kelly... after a widely-reviewed "modest" debut. (Original Post) calimary Jun 2017 OP
To me, she will be forever tainted by her Hayduke Bomgarte Jun 2017 #1
Greta too katmondoo Jun 2017 #2
Greta is a miserable hysterical hag, IMO. Hayduke Bomgarte Jun 2017 #5
+1 nice FreepFryer Jun 2017 #9
Yup I agree - those two, plus Ali Velshi, rebroadcast GOP talking points far too readily for me. nt FreepFryer Jun 2017 #7
And as an aside, I usually mute whenever they throw to Peter Alexander... FreepFryer Jun 2017 #8
Aha, you bring up Ali Velshi. calimary Jun 2017 #17
Joy's doing amazing work and they can't avoid her getting more airtime. Agree 100% re Ruhle. nt FreepFryer Jun 2017 #20
She's one of those whom my husband and I both describe as "but she photographs well!" calimary Jun 2017 #15
She doesn't photograph well for me Hayduke Bomgarte Jun 2017 #19
Yeah! "NBC News Overnight." calimary Jun 2017 #22
Interesting Hayduke Bomgarte Jun 2017 #23
Her book "And So It Goes" is one of my all-time favorites. Boomerproud Jun 2017 #27
Loved Ellerbee - thanks for the story and a reminder of moonscape Jun 2017 #31
Some of this stuff just blew my mind. How the hell did I get here? calimary Jun 2017 #37
Andy Lack Is Passing Off Ratings Lows Me. Jun 2017 #3
The only problem with that is - you have to hit big, and fast. calimary Jun 2017 #11
I Think His 'Patience' Statement Me. Jun 2017 #16
Well, the smug-as-shit Mark Halperin didn't last long. calimary Jun 2017 #18
I watched 'With all due respect' a couple of times last moonscape Jun 2017 #32
Quite Agree With All You Said Me. Jun 2017 #35
Same thing with Rick Wilson, a former GOP operative who worked on campaigns from GHWB to calimary Jun 2017 #39
As LOng As They Talk The Talk For Now Me. Jun 2017 #41
Greta, Meghan, Hewitt, and his other RW hires move the network far to tblue37 Jun 2017 #26
You Are Correct Me. Jun 2017 #34
I didn't watch her last week... ADX Jun 2017 #4
+1,745,295 TheBlackAdder Jun 2017 #14
NBC and MSNBC opted to hire all those Fox News castoffs and Republican procon Jun 2017 #6
Good point. calimary Jun 2017 #10
Another network time slot taken up by right wing rurallib Jun 2017 #12
While great real gibraltar72 Jun 2017 #13
She has zero credibility with me. mountain grammy Jun 2017 #21
People who don't watch Fox have no idea who she is. kwassa Jun 2017 #24
You can't spout the Fox News BS for years on end and then expect to be taken seriously. Vinca Jun 2017 #25
Did she ask Putin, "So, did you hack our election processes?" Beartracks Jun 2017 #28
60 minutes was a lot more interesting, even the second time around demigoddess Jun 2017 #29
No interest... Mike Nelson Jun 2017 #30
I can't stand her Lotusflower70 Jun 2017 #33
Who? Eom... JDC Jun 2017 #36
Just another "aging eye-candy" for the schlubby 50-70 yr old guys SoCalDem Jun 2017 #38
I'm not even watching now. And I think she's on as I write this. calimary Jun 2017 #40
She can't even beat re-runs of America's funniest videos!1 UTUSN Jun 2017 #42
i clicked on her show tonight....fucking alex jones. as if that's anything legitimate spanone Jun 2017 #43
She had a segment on Alex Jones? OMG! calimary Jun 2017 #44
An update - I couldn't wait. Had to find out. calimary Jun 2017 #46
Meh. cwydro Jun 2017 #45

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
1. To me, she will be forever tainted by her
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 12:19 PM
Jun 2017

Tenure on faux snooze, and the unadulterated horseshit she foisted on anyone silly and stupid enough to tune in. I can't and won't afford her the most minute presumption of journalistic integrity, as she has shown herself to have none.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
5. Greta is a miserable hysterical hag, IMO.
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 12:44 PM
Jun 2017

As bad as Kelly is, Greta's lack of journalistic integrity, make Kelly look quite the "gonzo journalist." Greta would need 1000% improvement just to reach caricature status. Right now she is nothing more than a hemorrhoid.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
8. And as an aside, I usually mute whenever they throw to Peter Alexander...
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 12:47 PM
Jun 2017

Alexander seems to CONSTANTLY presume the GOP talking point is the core of the issue... at least we know where we stand with Hugh Hewitt and Jeffrey Lord.

calimary

(81,466 posts)
17. Aha, you bring up Ali Velshi.
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 02:27 PM
Jun 2017

So what's HIS story, then, too? WHY does he have TWO shows? THREE, if you count the Saturday show of "Velshi and Ruhle."

And what's with that? He gets his own M-F midday hour, PLUS an additional hour cohosting an additional show with Stephanie Ruhle. Who, herself, has her own solo M-F early morning hour. What's with THAT? Why do those two rate that kind of exposure? Especially considering how Joy Reid is still confined to weekends?

I notice they seem to be throwing Joy a bone or two by having her pop up as a panelist on more shows in other timeslots on Thursdays and Fridays. But dammit, they should give HER a M-F show! Take her off the weekends, give her a regular time slot and develop the hell outta her, and move Stephanie Ruhle to the weekends. Besides, they need a higher profile for black anchors and reporters and more of 'em just anyway. And I miss Tamron Hall.

calimary

(81,466 posts)
15. She's one of those whom my husband and I both describe as "but she photographs well!"
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 02:01 PM
Jun 2017

I just don't see anything there! Nothing new, nothing different, nothing wow. But maybe I'm spoiled, on a personal level. I grew up wanting to be the next Barbara Walters, as so many of my female colleagues did, at that time, at our age (20-somethings, back in the 70s and 80s). EVERY woman I knew in the business either secretly or overtly wanted to be the next Barbara Walters. She was a tremendously significant individual in broadcasting. A pioneer. A first. The path cutter. The trailblazer. We all followed her.

But Barbara Walters was in a class by herself. There've been others who attempted to be her or beat her but nobody did. Some did replace her, but never completely filled her shoes.

Connie Chung I thought was a complete lightweight. Judy Woodruff had gravitas and enough credibility for five people, even while not enjoying nearly as much pizazz. Helen Thomas was nothing to look at, but she was a towering giant and journalism pioneer who had a face for newspapers (those of us in the biz who weren't terribly photogenic made our bones on the radio, and there was this running joke about "having a face for radio" because you weren't pretty enough to be on TV). But you didn't get to be Dean of the White House Press Corps if you were a loser. Jane Pauley was okay. Kind of liked her. She didn't leave me cold, but rather lukewarm. Deborah Norville was the younger prettier blonde who later on took the lovable Jane Pauley's job - or that's how it came off in the public consciousness, even if, as I'm told, she was a nice gal. Katie Couric was puppy-dog lovable and perky and did smashingly well in morning TV because she was non-threatening and fun to wake up to. But she also had respectable journalistic chops. I personally liked Linda Ellerbee a lot. KIND OF liked Diane Sawyer, but never fell in love with her.

The late Jessica Savich, I loved. I thought she was fabulous as an anchor, definitely network-caliber, strong, forceful, even ballsy, for a woman. She had TREMENDOUS credibility on the air and an authoritative voice you never doubted. Plus she was extremely attractive, but with a very businesslike, managerial appeal. I thought she was the handsomest woman I'd ever seen. She was said to be difficult to work with (and you can take that one with a big grain of salt especially as it seems always to apply to women professionals) but she evidently did have her problems. I thought she was absolute gangbusters, though. I'd have believed ANYTHING she said on the air, she had that powerful an air of authority and gravitas. Back then, I wanted to look like that, sound like that, photograph like that, and have a job like that.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
19. She doesn't photograph well for me
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 02:40 PM
Jun 2017

Because I know how gruesomely ugly she is on the inside.

Ah Linda Ellerbee. I really enjoyed her late night show back when we just had 3 channels, as I recall. Wasn't she on right before or right after Tom Snyder's "Tomorrow" show?

Real, actual journalists, those two,as well as the others you mentioned.

calimary

(81,466 posts)
22. Yeah! "NBC News Overnight."
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 03:00 PM
Jun 2017

Last edited Sun Jun 11, 2017, 06:05 PM - Edit history (1)

I worked at NBC during that era. I thought she was terrific. I watched that show all the time, perennial insomniac that I seem to be. That's the kind of show I dreamed about being on, myself, were I so lucky. So original! With co-anchor Lloyd Dobyns and creative use of clips and coverage from NBC and elsewhere around the world. I thought she was wonderful! I met her in the ladies' room on the third floor at NBC Burbank, where the network offices were. I had the chance to tell her to her face while we were both bent over the sinks washing our hands at the same time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_News_Overnight

Btw - do you know the story of "The Linda Ellerbee Clause"?

She worked at the AP early in her career. Wire service writer. One fine day she wrote a letter to a friend - on the computer at her work station. It was newsy and gossipy in the style for which she became famous. As the story goes, she was not at her work station at the moment the bureau chief strolled by, showing a friend around the newsroom. Paused at her desk, at random, started describing the computer system they had and how it worked, "and we just have to hit one key and BOOM! It goes out to a coupla thousand outlets." And it sure did. "It" being Ellerbee's letter. Out all over the AP wires, EVERYWHERE. Naturally, she was hauled into the boss's office and fired.

But turns out somebody in management at the local NBC TV station in Houston saw it, read it, thought she "wrote funny", and hired her. And that's how her TV career began!

When I hired on at the AP, one of the things I had to sign was "The Linda Ellerbee Clause" that vowed I would not use the company's system to write personal notes. Every new arrival had to.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
31. Loved Ellerbee - thanks for the story and a reminder of
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 04:28 PM
Jun 2017

that news era that makes me a bit nostalgic. What an interesting time you participated in!

calimary

(81,466 posts)
37. Some of this stuff just blew my mind. How the hell did I get here?
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 05:58 PM
Jun 2017

How did I glance to one side and see none other than Linda Ellerbee busy washing her hands in the other sink? Just like another one of us goils!

I guess that's why I feel so proprietary about the news business and my itty bitty part in it. I rode in on the FCC wave that started in the mid-70s, after the women's movement had made some major inroads and provoked societal, legal, and cultural changes. The FCC made it clear that radio and TV stations had to start hiring more women - and hiring more women in more significant and consequential positions. Like not just the secretarial pool or the request line operators. Like account executives, on-air people, anchors, executive producers, head writers, upper management, even the general manager's position. Once upon a time you could count big time female correspondents on the fingers of one hand. Helen Thomas. Pauline Frederick at the UN, Liz Trotta, Barbara Walters, Catherine Mackin. And that was about it. It was quite amazing a time when NBC started promoting its lineup for coverage of the conventions. The Huntley/Brinkley anchor team and the four key floor correspondents: John Chancellor, Frank McGee, Edwin Newman I think, and Cassie Mackin. OMG! A GIRL!!! ???!?!?!?!!?

I remember noticing right off the bat, starting in college radio, that - shit! Great way to meet men! I was one of not-many-at-all. I think there were two or three or maybe four of us women with on-air shifts on our college station, the year I started. I was the only woman who had what we called a "prime time show" - 9-midnight Monday through Friday were the five most coveted and fought-over slots at the station. I had Wednesdays. DANG that was fun. An all-request show that was always freewheeling and noisy. Sad to say hardly anybody does radio like that anymore. Where you could program your own show, play all kinds of stuff, no consultants telling you what their number-crunchings and charts 'n' graphs and focus-testing and heavy record label promotion told them to tell you to play. We even brought our own albums in a lot of the time. I used to enjoy finding songs that started and ended the same way, or on the same note, or on the same or similar drumbeats, or the same guitar riffs - and then lace them together on the air. Go from Loggins and Messina into the Stones, Cheech & Chong into J.J. Cale, and there were several great guitar licks that could lead you into the up-tempo part of "Layla." Slip-cuing and other crazy stuff. You could build the most stunning and unexpected sets that way - like musical tapestries! The ideal was to mess with the listener so he/she wouldn't be able to tell where the previous song ended and the next one started. There were many of us who were always in search of the Next Great Segue. It was great. AND we were non-commercial, 10-watts, on FM. Even better. Our signal carried rather respectably far afield of the campus - to civilian territory.

We did live radio drama and comedy, too. One time we put both the on-air booth and the production booth on, live, at the same time, and cued up all four copies of "Layla" on all four turntables. One person manned each turntable. Let 'em fly at once, but ONE of us had a record cleaning cloth and was applying very slight pressure to the edge of ONE of those records, slowing it up EVER SO SLIGHTLY, thereby creating phase distortion! DANG! The eerie hissing and swishing and whooshing noises that resulted were BEYOND trippy! That and some illicit herb passed around and you just never ever EVER wanted to leave! We did live audio commentating of some cheesy movie or the Rose Parade or some such - wherein listeners were instructed to turn the TV on and watch, but turn the sound off and listen to us providing a gonzo soundtrack. GREAT stuff. Especially when there were a couple of guys who teamed up as a comedy "duo" of sorts. And they were hilarious!

One night I almost killed myself on the road, laughing too hard and nearly driving off the pavement, listening to those two. They were Stupid-Funny, and I say that with the greatest admiration and affection (and a little bit of envy). They had the Friday night 9-midnight slot. One of them has been with the Philadelphia Enquirer for years now, and the other does radio and local TV and comedy blogs near there. But that one night, they set up this bit called "The Censor." They used the Harry Nilsson song "You're Breaking My Heart."
There's one signature lyric that comes up a lot: "you're breakin' my heart, you're tear'n' it apart, so FUCK YOU!" These two set it up so one was the straight man and one was the censor whose job it was to bleep out the F-U part. And as they struggled through the song, and the straight man tried in vain to help his addled colleague through his assignment, the censor kept bleeping other words in that line EXCEPT the F-U - or the F part of the F-U. By the end of the song, the hapless censor had bleeped the entire last verse except for the F-U. I died. Literally drove off the road into the weeds, laughing. I'm amazed I didn't full-on crash the car.



Good times!

Every one of my first three on-air jobs was because they needed a woman on there. News guy in the morning, news guy in the afternoon, weekends opened up - better get a girl. Or male morning jock, get him a female sidekick. Yup. I'm grateful that I got started then, because I never had to start in a small market. Got to do the whole thing in L.A. County. Not sure I'd have that kind of luck in today's scene. And nowadays, people have legitimate journalism degrees. Back then, we didn't even have a journalism department where I went to college! Hell, hardly anybody did.

It really was a great time to be into this stuff, back when FM was new and experimental, just starting to come into its own, and rock radio was free-form - and not pasteurized, processed, homogenized, and sanitized for your protection. Our college station had actually started as a pirate station in somebody's closet, just a couple of years before I got there.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
3. Andy Lack Is Passing Off Ratings Lows
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 12:27 PM
Jun 2017

By saying he has the patience for the new shows to 'take'. Can't wait to see how the god awful Hugh Hewitt does.

calimary

(81,466 posts)
11. The only problem with that is - you have to hit big, and fast.
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 01:34 PM
Jun 2017

What you don't want is a show that had a widely-noted "modest" debut, with its next episode already sounding like a ho-hum effort. You get two or three of those in a row, and you'll have lost the interest or curiosity of viewers. They'll have heard at least some of the buzz that there's not a whole lot to see here, certainly nothing to have you riveted to your chair ready to change the channel to her show. Nobody's raving. She didn't set anybody on fire on her first outing, which would be THE thing to lure and hopefully keep new viewers. There's no buzz - "did you see what Megyn Kelly did? Did you see what happened on the Megyn Kelly show? OMG! Can't miss the next show! Can't wait to see what she does next." Nope. Not there. Her "meh" reviews so far DO NOT make for "must-see TV." And if she has another "meh" show tonight, it's awfully hard to come back from that. Especially if her show NEXT Sunday night is a yawn, too. If that's the trend, this won't last. It can't.

She CAN recover tonight. IF it's a boffo show. It would make the shrug of "sometimes things get off to a rocky start" a usable and plausible argument. But she's gotta make waves tonight to turn it around. If tonight doesn't work, the only way to save this is to absolutely kill in her third installment. By then it'd be make-or-break. Three so-so shows in a row would be nearly a kiss of death, except Andy Lack is like a crazed pit bull in pushing for something he wants. I watched him speak at a local news event years ago, and he described physically throwing himself, prostrate, across the desk of a network executive much farther up the food chain to save some show, I forget which, from cancellation.

Full disclosure here - I'm no sports fan, I don't follow sports journalism, I barely know who the teams are, and I don't know (or know about) any of the reporters on that beat - except for those whom Keith Olbermann was always talking about. And that's only because I never missed watching Keith Olbermann. So I don't know this female sports reporter who's being showcased tonight, or what her story is. No idea. And it's not compelling. Doesn't sound compelling enough to drop everything and plunk down in front of my TV this evening. It's not enough to get me to tune in. Now, if Megyn were to book Kathy Griffin, I might actually tune in for that. Or a panel including Griffin and Bill Maher. If she were to land Jim Comey, that would be a must-see for pretty much everybody. Perhaps that's in the future. But shit - Vladimir Putin is a pretty newsy name right now, and they promoted the freakin' bejeezus out of it, PLUS they lucked into some seriously shrewd placement of her as the moderator of this international panel including Putin at whatever conference that was, on the same weekend just hours before she conducted her one-on-one interview with him. That was a Heaven-sent promotional opportunity! Whoever engineered that one should get a raise. And yet, that STILL didn't wow anybody.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
16. I Think His 'Patience' Statement
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 02:22 PM
Jun 2017

Was pure defensiveness. He got caught when the Larry O'D not being renewed situation blew up in his face. He's been trying to move MSNBC to the center where it would serve B. Williams' style better. It seems he has something of a thing for BW and is trying to resuscitate his career and was set on handing him the 10pm spot. But after pushing Tamron and Roker out of their time spot people have been paying closer attention (especially as MSNBC is losing anchor diversity). Why he's being asked is he pushing out people, like Larry, Tamron & Al, who have great numbers in favor of ex-Fox people? It has also been noted how dismal Greta's numbers are.

calimary

(81,466 posts)
18. Well, the smug-as-shit Mark Halperin didn't last long.
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 02:39 PM
Jun 2017

Remember that show he co-hosted with John Heilemann - "With All Due Respect"? That and the Velshi/Ruhle proliferation suggests they're also emphasizing the business perspective. At least two of those mentioned here come from Bloomberg business coverage. That show didn't last.

Ratings losers don't last. Mia Farrow's kid, Ronan Farrow, didn't last long. The ratings weren't there. Joy Reid didn't last in the show that followed his, I guess because the ratings weren't amazing. But Joy Reid has had a chance to develop. I'm glad somebody in management had the good sense to do that. She's smashing in her two-hour time slots on the weekend, and I think she's the best interviewer in cable news, or TV news, for that matter. She should get a time slot promotion.

If they dare to give Hugh Hewitt a show, I will make it a point NOT to tune in. I've never seen ANYBODY as smug as he is. He's more smug than Karl Rove on Election Night when he's sure his guy is gonna win. He is the poster child for off-putting.

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
32. I watched 'With all due respect' a couple of times last
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 04:34 PM
Jun 2017

summer. When Halperin said he had a great deal of respect for T, that was it for me. Smug as ... is right!

Me.

(35,454 posts)
35. Quite Agree With All You Said
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 05:10 PM
Jun 2017

Though I must say that Ronan's show was badly placed and Joy's show was pretty bad. 'We the tweepers"? I put it down to bad producers. I don't know how it is they kept her on guest spotting, maybe they had to pay her so they used her, but she kept getting better and better. She has one of the best analytical minds in politics.

As for HH I can't look at him and that stupid grin of his without referencing The Joker.

The one Con hire I don't mind lately is Nicole Wallace, she seems to have undergone a conversion. Have to wait and see how long it lasts.

calimary

(81,466 posts)
39. Same thing with Rick Wilson, a former GOP operative who worked on campaigns from GHWB to
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 10:30 PM
Jun 2017

Rudy Giuliani to Saxby Chambliss and most recently in the Marco Rubio camp. Now he's a NeverTrump'er and seems to be coming around to seeing the light, based on his punditry these days. But until one of 'em renounces the GOP and either goes independent or defects completely to the Dems, they still bear the mark of the CONS. Same thing with Steve Schmidt and also Nicolle Wallace. I just don't entirely trust them, even while I welcome their leaning toward the good guy camp, at least as far as telling the truth about trump. They're against trump - some really vehemently. So at least there's one big thing upon which we can agree. They're redeemable. But Hugh Hewitt and pals - UGH!!!!

Me.

(35,454 posts)
41. As LOng As They Talk The Talk For Now
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 10:35 PM
Jun 2017

is all I ask of them. The same with Frum and Jennifer Rubin who I loathed when Romney ran. I guess this is an enemy of my enemy is my friend situation.

tblue37

(65,487 posts)
26. Greta, Meghan, Hewitt, and his other RW hires move the network far to
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 03:41 PM
Jun 2017

The right, NOT to the center!

 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
4. I didn't watch her last week...
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 12:38 PM
Jun 2017

...I'm not watching her this week, and I won't watch her next week or the week after, either.

Changing television networks doesn't change who you are. She and Greta can both kiss my ass...

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. NBC and MSNBC opted to hire all those Fox News castoffs and Republican
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 12:45 PM
Jun 2017

darlings, expecting to benefit from their media popularity and reap a similar ratings bonanza. What they didn't take into consideration was obvious to most of their progressive audience, these new hires were only popular at Fox because of their curated rightwing audience. Take those TV personalities out of Fox and their fabricated celebrity status quickly faded and we saw them as they them as they really were, mediocre Republican bent flacks who are not good at their jobs because that was never a requirement to work at Fox.



calimary

(81,466 posts)
10. Good point.
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 01:12 PM
Jun 2017

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I think some of 'em went with the "a rose is a rose is a rose" approach - in this case "ratings are ratings are ratings." And they're NOT! They don't directly translate! Just because you're a big hit in prime time on a cable network where there are wall-to-wall rumpled middle-aged/older men anchoring the nighttime lineup - EXCEPT for the glamorous blonde with the shapely legs she's never afraid to show off, a powerful publicity machine behind her, and extremely photogenic facial lines (cheekbones, hollow cheeks, finely chiseled jaw line).

The conservative old-fart demo that Pox Noise owns and aims to please is hot for her. But those last-roar-of-passion/panting-for-Megyn white geezers are, in a large part, loyal and solidly over there. I seriously doubt they're all gonna migrate over to NBC when she's on. I seriously doubt the mid-morning shows aimed at women, like the several hours of the "Today" show, will attract the demographics that are enthralled with her every move.

That's a REALLY great point you made, procon, the more I think of it.

rurallib

(62,448 posts)
12. Another network time slot taken up by right wing
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 01:37 PM
Jun 2017

makes little difference what he or she looks like, talks like etc. The object is to take what available air time there is and divide it 99% for the right and 1% for the left or even a real middle (which doesn't seem to exist).

personally I believe Andy Lack and Comcast are working on a strategy to get rid of the few hours of left wing newsers they have and gradually replace them with right wingers. But they want to do it in a quiet way so it isn't so obvious.

Cable TV is the model for what the corporations like Comcast want the internet to be.

gibraltar72

(7,511 posts)
13. While great real
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 01:50 PM
Jun 2017

female reporters can't get a break i'll pass on anything Meghan Kelley. Just because she came at Trump one time does not give her credibility. Trump fights with anyone. Putin toyed with her and she let him. Won't be on my TV anytime soon.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
24. People who don't watch Fox have no idea who she is.
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 03:34 PM
Jun 2017

Kelly is famous within the right-wing news ecosystem. Outside of that, though ....

Vinca

(50,303 posts)
25. You can't spout the Fox News BS for years on end and then expect to be taken seriously.
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 03:35 PM
Jun 2017

I got the impression she was trying to fill Barbara Walter's shoes, but I think Putin got the impression she was hot for him.

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
28. Did she ask Putin, "So, did you hack our election processes?"
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 03:57 PM
Jun 2017

I guess we would've heard about it if he answered, "Vot blin! You got me! Yes, yes we did it!"

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demigoddess

(6,644 posts)
29. 60 minutes was a lot more interesting, even the second time around
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 04:02 PM
Jun 2017

will never watch kelly, ugh, Fox News, ugh

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
33. I can't stand her
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 04:57 PM
Jun 2017

I refuse to give ratings to a hypocrite and a liar. There are actual intelligent and honest people to watch like Rachel Maddow and Joy Reid. I don't have time for bs. Same goes for Greta Van Susteren.

calimary

(81,466 posts)
40. I'm not even watching now. And I think she's on as I write this.
Sun Jun 11, 2017, 10:31 PM
Jun 2017

Actually, we record Joy Reid on the weekends and I'm watching this morning's replay as I write this.

That said, I will be MOST interested to see what her ratings are on Show #2.

calimary

(81,466 posts)
44. She had a segment on Alex Jones? OMG!
Mon Jun 12, 2017, 03:46 AM
Jun 2017

Another eminently missable presentation. Lying down with dogs, 'eh, Megyn? (With apologies to my dog and dogs everywhere. This is figuratively speaking.)

calimary

(81,466 posts)
46. An update - I couldn't wait. Had to find out.
Tue Jun 13, 2017, 05:55 AM
Jun 2017

Show #2 was a bust. Ratings disaster.

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/megyn-kelly-ratings-tank-new-nbc-show-sunday-night/

And the Alex Jones thing was evidently a promo. The interview is next week. On Father's Day no less. Showcasing the guy who yowled about the Sandy Hook massacre of all those little kids and several of their teachers being a hoax. REEEEAL cute, girlfriend. Way to go. Guess you can take the blonde out of Pox Noise but you can't get the Pox Noise out of the blonde.

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