Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Botany

(70,447 posts)
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 12:08 PM Jun 2017

Robert Mueller is now looking @ Jared Kushner's work in data analytics for the Trump campaign*

* as per the 12:00 o'clock radio news

I smell vote flipping, hacking, and people being removed from being able to vote.
Remember the NSA document that Reality Winner released spoke about the Russians
trying to get into the hardware and software that controlled the operating systems
for the voting machines and central tabulators?


https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

Russia’s cyberattack on the U.S. electoral system before Donald Trump’s election was far more widespread than has been publicly revealed, including incursions into voter databases and software systems in almost twice as many states as previously reported.

In Illinois, investigators found evidence that cyber intruders tried to delete or alter voter data. The hackers accessed software designed to be used by poll workers on Election Day, and in at least one state accessed a campaign finance database. Details of the wave of attacks, in the summer and fall of 2016, were provided by three people with direct knowledge of the U.S. investigation into the matter. In all, the Russian hackers hit systems in a total of 39 states, one of them said.

59 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Robert Mueller is now looking @ Jared Kushner's work in data analytics for the Trump campaign* (Original Post) Botany Jun 2017 OP
Wonder if Jared's brother is involved?? dixiegrrrrl Jun 2017 #1
Trump had a computer server that was linked to Ukraine/Putin in his HQ that had ..... Botany Jun 2017 #4
I believe it was Alpha Bank that had direct communications with a server in Trump Tower. Eyeball_Kid Jun 2017 #5
The domain name registered to Trump, Inc., HQ, computer elsewhere had Alpha Bank warrant L. Coyote Jun 2017 #46
The Mercer Family... The Mercer Family... The Mercer Family... The Mercer Family... Raster Jun 2017 #7
Thanks for the above on Mercer 90-percent Jun 2017 #24
Where? I'm right in the middle of Suffolk County? onlyadream Jun 2017 #30
renisance technologys in my home town of setauket. 90-percent Jun 2017 #50
I'm very close to there onlyadream Jun 2017 #59
Cambridge Analytics,Steve Bannon owned by the Mercers. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2017 #11
Far to the right of even the Kochs...really terrible people. nt Lucky Luciano Jun 2017 #16
ideologically committed racists DBoon Jun 2017 #17
Now that might open a can of worms. nt deminks Jun 2017 #2
Can opened! FM123 Jun 2017 #9
ALL RIGHT! Me. Jun 2017 #3
It's about time. The Mercers are fascists with boatloads of money. Eyeball_Kid Jun 2017 #6
They're Causing More Harm In This Country, Big & Small Me. Jun 2017 #8
The Mercers are the ones who placed Bannon and Conway into Trump's campaign. They also tblue37 Jun 2017 #10
"Mercers", "Bannon". Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #13
F'n autocorrect. nt tblue37 Jun 2017 #14
F'n humans proofread f'n autocorrect. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #15
I do proofread and correct, but the autocorrect corrects my corrections--usually more than once. tblue37 Jun 2017 #20
I've had autocorrect override my manual corrections in the past.... George II Jun 2017 #28
Yes it is amazing what gets them upset. I'm running Android & I don't seem to have this problem. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #36
On the Plus Side Leith Jun 2017 #40
Actually, since punctuation is conventional, and since its main purpose is to help make things tblue37 Jun 2017 #41
+1. For both points. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #57
Now kids, don't get snippy about this..... flying_wahini Jun 2017 #56
Data analytics is where collusion occured. Russian bots targetted Bernie voters & shaky ones. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #12
I 100% agree with you Chico Man Jun 2017 #18
My bet is that Russia has been working towards this end the minute the US converted (mostly) to WinkyDink Jun 2017 #22
This is what I think. As soon as (hackable) machines were introduced LiberalLovinLug Jun 2017 #33
Too many Casper Milquetoasts. I'm not saying old Mayor Daley was better; I'm just sayin'. WinkyDink Jun 2017 #37
hear, hear. nt TheFrenchRazor Jun 2017 #48
States run their own elections, but nothing says we can't Qutzupalotl Jun 2017 #54
YES! Thank God they're finally looking at this FakeNoose Jun 2017 #31
How would they get info on Bernie voters? Wednesdays Jun 2017 #42
I was answering Bernardo La Paz FakeNoose Jun 2017 #44
Maybe from the DNC hack? Or maybe from faulty firewalls on NGP VAN? NoveltySocks Jun 2017 #45
I'm referring to this post on DU from last month FakeNoose Jun 2017 #47
Gotchya. I've been following the info on the voting machines, particularly WI and MI since NoveltySocks Jun 2017 #49
Analytics works by cross-tabulating likes & friends & retweets & reposts & word clouds Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2017 #58
To see what data they had and where it came from? bettyellen Jun 2017 #19
OMG. This might be the mother lode right here. Golden Boy Jared might be the biggest traitor of WinkyDink Jun 2017 #21
Yuri Milner has ties to Russian mob neohippie Jun 2017 #23
Someone just shared this neohippie Jun 2017 #39
Do not forget Mitch McConnell Mr. Evil Jun 2017 #25
Where's Rudy? bucolic_frolic Jun 2017 #27
Think he's in a safe house in Moscow. George II Jun 2017 #29
Speaking gigs. Xolodno Jun 2017 #32
My hats' off to all the agents who are working to uncover this nest of traitors. procon Jun 2017 #26
In a related story: Soylent Green is PEOPLE! dchill Jun 2017 #34
Collusion, they shared voter lists Johnny2X2X Jun 2017 #35
Did the trump campaign share data with the russians? Gothmog Jun 2017 #38
see this article too cynical_idealist Jun 2017 #43
You know damn well JK'S guilty as hell... will look good in orange. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2017 #51
Expect Putin paid the wages for employees of Data Analytics. nt NCjack Jun 2017 #52
Russians stupid to pick ILLINOIS golfguru Jun 2017 #53
We need Rachel to look into this. sellitman Jun 2017 #55

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
1. Wonder if Jared's brother is involved??
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 12:14 PM
Jun 2017

Said brother has a bundle of money as a result of a computer app he made which is involved in Obamacare.

Dunno much more than that, but $$$ and computers+ Jared = suspicion.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
4. Trump had a computer server that was linked to Ukraine/Putin in his HQ that had .....
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 12:18 PM
Jun 2017

.... something to do w/Cambridge Analytics, Steve Bannon, and Russians in London.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
5. I believe it was Alpha Bank that had direct communications with a server in Trump Tower.
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 12:25 PM
Jun 2017

Communications were methodical and were handled by a person on Trump's end. The FBI knows all about it. ALL about it.

Those who run Alpha Bank are directed by Putin.

90-percent

(6,828 posts)
24. Thanks for the above on Mercer
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:36 PM
Jun 2017

I'm interested for the obvious don't like treason reasons.

Additionally

Cambridge Analytics

is located about a mile from my childhood home on Long Island. A former farmers field, now densely populated like most of Long Island is these days.

-90% Jimmy

onlyadream

(2,165 posts)
30. Where? I'm right in the middle of Suffolk County?
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:57 PM
Jun 2017

Or do you mean Mercer's Renaissance Technologies? I pass that place all the time.

90-percent

(6,828 posts)
50. renisance technologys in my home town of setauket.
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 12:00 AM
Jun 2017

I grew up in a subdivision off bennetts road off 25a. The next right off 25A past Bennetts looks like the place. It used to be Detmer Farm. Now all the farms and woods of my youth are mcmansions more prolific than Levitown in 1947.

Don't know a lot about Mercer other than he's an evil computer genius and makes the Koch Brothers look like Elizabeth Warren.

He probably poured as much money into Trump superpacs as Putin itself!


-Jim

onlyadream

(2,165 posts)
59. I'm very close to there
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 10:07 AM
Jun 2017

The right after Bennitts is Limroy. That's where the bike path is, Setauket Greenway Trail.
Too bad you're not here, we need to get rid of our Trump loving rep, Lee Zelden.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
11. Cambridge Analytics,Steve Bannon owned by the Mercers.
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:10 PM
Jun 2017

Huge money, very right wing people, idealogical twins to Koch Brothers.
Kushner may have been more involved with the server at Trump Tower, in a lackey sort of way, but he is not real bright.

DBoon

(22,340 posts)
17. ideologically committed racists
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:39 PM
Jun 2017

I despise the Kochs as much as anyone, but at least they do not fund overt white supremacy

FM123

(10,053 posts)
9. Can opened!
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 12:30 PM
Jun 2017

Trumpy & Kushner's pal Mercer invested five million dollars into Cambridge Analytica (they are a data mining/analysis company that strategizes ways to influence voters). Birds of a feather....

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
6. It's about time. The Mercers are fascists with boatloads of money.
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 12:26 PM
Jun 2017

and they're happy to support Putin as a promoter of white nationalism.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
10. The Mercers are the ones who placed Bannon and Conway into Trump's campaign. They also
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 12:34 PM
Jun 2017

Last edited Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:33 PM - Edit history (2)

are the main financial backers of Breitbart.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
20. I do proofread and correct, but the autocorrect corrects my corrections--usually more than once.
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:54 PM
Jun 2017

Sometimes I miss the final autocorrect change just as I hit "post."

If I have time to hang around right after posting, I will spot the mess and fix it again. (Check most of my posts and you will see how often I go back to correct such things immediately after they are posted because of a last second autocorrect.) But if I have to do something else right after posting, I might not notice until I return to DU. If someone has replied and I go to their reply, I might see that there is such an error in my own post, in which case I fix it.

OTOH, since we all have to deal with hyperactive autocorrect on our mobiles, people are usually polite enough to recognize what has happened and, even when pointing it out, do so considerately.

For example, I often spot autocorrect errors and point them out to that person, but I always do so by saying, "I think you meant 'xxxx,' but your hyperactive autocorrect has messed up your post." It would never occur to me to be sneering or rude about it.

BTW, I was able to turn off the autocorrect on my desktop, but although I went to "settings" to turn it off on my little tablet, doing so did nothing. It's like the pedestrian walk button that isn't connected and therefore doesn't have any effect on the traffic light.

George II

(67,782 posts)
28. I've had autocorrect override my manual corrections in the past....
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:52 PM
Jun 2017

....amazing what will get some people's panties in a wad.

Leith

(7,808 posts)
40. On the Plus Side
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:16 PM
Jun 2017

We get to laugh at websites like Damn You Auto Correct.

I decided long ago to regard stuff like that as "if I can read it and understand what the person meant, let it go."

But I still grind my teeth when people put apostrophes in plurals. That is NEVER correct or preferred.

tblue37

(65,227 posts)
41. Actually, since punctuation is conventional, and since its main purpose is to help make things
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 04:46 PM
Jun 2017

clear to readers, there are occasions when it is acceptable to use an apostrophe with a plural in order to avoid false telegraphing--i.e., a situation where the reader is likely to be confused (for example, when referring to multiples of the grade "A&quot . Recently I wrote "mini-me's" rather than "mini-mes" to prevent that sort of confusion. It was a deliberate, carefully considered decision.

OTOH, I don't allow my students to use apostrophes to pluralize dates, like the 1960s. (BTW, autocorrect changed "pluralize" to "pluralism" TWICE and "students" to "governments" once in the preceding sentence, and I barely caught the changes in time--especially the second change to "pluralize"!)

Chico Man

(3,001 posts)
18. I 100% agree with you
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 01:46 PM
Jun 2017

It will take some very smart investigators to peel the layers back from this onion but I believe the big data analytics were absolutely used to target Russian bot campaigns.

I also wonder how many Americans could be blackmailed if their home PCs were infected with Russian born viruses.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
22. My bet is that Russia has been working towards this end the minute the US converted (mostly) to
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:02 PM
Jun 2017

computer technology over manual methods.

Plus, they were simultaneously becoming lenders and owners of Kushner and Trump.

The twain met when Putin and Trump decided to make Trump the Republican candidate for President, and then make him President.

Corruption, money-laundering for Russian banks and oligarchs, vote-hacking (aka TREASON):

The Donald should be glad he lives here and not Romania, IYKWIM.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
33. This is what I think. As soon as (hackable) machines were introduced
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:59 PM
Jun 2017

They probably jumped up and down and clapped their hands. I wouldn't doubt they had influence on lobbyists for Diebold and other voting machine companies when their use was first being debated.

Not only the use of hackable machines to decide a democratic election, but the fact that each fricken state takes care of its own voting system ....for a federal election....is astounding. That there is no federal oversight, that their is no federal rights to open the code of these private companies to a public inspector, even if for reasons of securing the foundation of the democracy, voting.

Democrats should be demanding that, at least for the next election, we only use paper ballots and hand counting. That there be federal oversight.

You know that if this were the other way around Republcans would be screaming on Fox and every network that the election was stolen and we need to retire these machines! I don't know why Dems are so damn meek all the time.

Qutzupalotl

(14,286 posts)
54. States run their own elections, but nothing says we can't
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 04:27 AM
Jun 2017

start a grassroots campaign in every state to use paper ballots in 2018.

FakeNoose

(32,579 posts)
31. YES! Thank God they're finally looking at this
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:59 PM
Jun 2017

We've been harping on DU about this since November. (Or maybe before that, I don't know.)

There has to be a racist angle, somehow the black voters were targeted, and yes I guess the Bernie voters too.


Wednesdays

(17,312 posts)
42. How would they get info on Bernie voters?
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 05:30 PM
Jun 2017

I can see how they could get info on African American voters, but how could they tell if someone voted for Bernie?

FakeNoose

(32,579 posts)
44. I was answering Bernardo La Paz
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 08:54 PM
Jun 2017

He seems to think the Russian bots had targeted the Bernie-bros.
Not sure how they got their identities, but maybe it was from another hack.
Don't ever doubt the Russians, they can hack anything.

NoveltySocks

(8 posts)
45. Maybe from the DNC hack? Or maybe from faulty firewalls on NGP VAN?
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 09:27 PM
Jun 2017

The story that got a lot of attention was how the Sanders campaign got a glimpse of Clinton voter files due to what the company said was a software error in Dec. 2015. However, that apparently wasn't the only time the company experienced such an error.

I wonder if there were other, far more nefarious actors looking at/collecting the information in both Dem primary campaign voter files?

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/democrats-data-breach-vulnerability-216955

FakeNoose

(32,579 posts)
47. I'm referring to this post on DU from last month
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 10:25 PM
Jun 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029036037

They've pretty much proven that the voting machines were hacked in Wisconsin, and very likely in other states. If you recall the swing states that went for Trump and killed Hillary's hopes of winning were Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan and one other. (maybe North Carolina)

The voting machines in these states were probably hacked and it didn't take much to tip the entire state to RED instead of BLUE. Someone else posted on the same thread that they thought Florida was also hacked. It would be very hard to prove because we've done away with paper ballots in most states. So there's nothing physical we can recount to compare with the computer numbers.

The chilling thing is that these machines were all installed and programmed more than 4 years ago. The conservatives in each of these states have arranged to have the hacked machines installed and they just waited for the right time.

Sorry I don't have anything to say about the followers of Bernie Sanders, that wasn't my original point. Maybe Bernardo can tell you what that was about. Bernardo says that Robert Mueller is looking into the connection between Jared Kushner and the Data Analytics people who probably are guilty as hell.

NoveltySocks

(8 posts)
49. Gotchya. I've been following the info on the voting machines, particularly WI and MI since
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 11:45 PM
Jun 2017

they appear the most egregious to me.

The timing of the machines' programming and installation is interesting, like there was a plan in place for some time.

I wonder if there were a couple of different hacking ops c. 2015/16 that crossed paths—a domestic one (aligned in some way with the GOP, like a think tank, campaign, etc.) and a Russian one—and that perhaps the Russians observed/became aware of what the domestic group was doing/planning to do and gathered info on those intentions.

Maybe such info comprises (at least some of) what the Russians are using to blackmail certain high-up members of the GOP? Might explain why they are in such lock-step with Cheeto.

Of course, the GOP generally aligns with whatever disgusting "leader" that party manages to cough up.

I'm just trying to put into words some things that have troubled me for awhile. Everything definitely seems shady as hell.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,957 posts)
58. Analytics works by cross-tabulating likes & friends & retweets & reposts & word clouds
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 08:52 AM
Jun 2017

They analyze info from a number of people's Facebook postings and tweets and other social media posts.

Then they correlate likes, retweets, and reposts to deepen the relationships.

When they identify people who stochastically fall into groups (by Bayesian analysis and other techniques), they concentrate on identified Bernie voters / leaners or undecideds or greens. Particularly if they live in swing states, but also elsewhere because of synergistic effects that can reach back into swing states. They run bots that retweet and repost articles and tweets that might sour the voter on Hillary.

Thus there was a deluge of social media traffic about investigations into emails and Hillary and emails and the Clinton Foundation and emails.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_analysis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_mining#Data_Mining

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
21. OMG. This might be the mother lode right here. Golden Boy Jared might be the biggest traitor of
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:00 PM
Jun 2017

them all.

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
23. Yuri Milner has ties to Russian mob
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:27 PM
Jun 2017

One of the largest owners of Facebook, Yuri Milner has ties to the Russian mafia. He also has ownership in a lot of Silicon Valley tech companies.

Remember how the fake news stories were pushed to specific users through social media like Facebook

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/14/media/facebook-fake-news-france-election/index.html

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/27/facebook-found-efforts-to-sway-presidential-election-elect-trump.html


Facebook says some groups tried to use its platform to sway the outcome of the U.S. presidential election.

In a case study of the 2016 presidential election, the company said it found several instances of "information operations," its term for governments and organizations who attempt to sway political opinion by spreading fake news and other nefarious tactics.

The case study was included in Facebook's white paper on "information operations." It also detailed ways it was combating "fake news" and other misinformation spread by adding new technologies and creating more security features.

The company did not specify who the targets were or who was behind the attacks. However, it said its own findings do "not contradict" the U.S. Director of National Intelligence report on Jan. 6. The report was on Russian efforts to influence the election, and claimed Russian President Vladimir Putin was behind a campaign to get his "clear preference," Donald Trump into the White House.



It's probably not coincidences that he also owns Digital Skies, Zynga, a company that has tons of Facebook games and has ties to Kushner.

https://www.incomediary.com/who-owns-facebook-the-10-richest-facebook-shareholders

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/3286-facebook-are-you-interfacing-with-the-russian-mafia--kgb



Gangsters R Us

A number of Silicon Valley watchers, and business writers (see here and here) have noted DST's ties to notorious oligarch Alisher Usmanov, but relatively few have expressed any concern. Many of the media reports, however, have treated DST's CEO Yuri Milner as if he were an investment rock star, a young Russian Warren Buffet with an uncanny eye for profit potential in tech stocks. But Usmanov, who provided DST's startup money and is the company's largest investor (he owns 35 percent, reportedly) is widely recognized as a friend of Putin and one of the most feared of the Russian Mafia dons. Known as "the hard man of Russia," Usmanov is actually an Uzbek with a prison record and a violent past. Perhaps best known outside of Russia as one of the largest share owners of Arsenal, the English Premier League soccer team, Usmanov's extensive business holdings inside the former Soviet Union include mines, metals factories, media properties, and mobile phones.

Like Vito Corleone (the Marlon Brando character in The Godfather), Usmanov is known for making offers people are afraid to refuse. One who did refuse and is no longer around to talk about it, is Leonid Rozhetskin, a millionaire Russian-American, Harvard-trained lawyer, who wouldn't sell his 25.1 percent share in Megafon, the Russian mobile phone service provider. In fact, Rozhetskin had filed suit in New York, alleging he had been threatened with physical harm unless he sold his stake. In May 2008 Rozhetskin disappeared from his vacation villa in Latvia; only a pool of his blood remained. And Usmanov ended up in control of Megafon. All indications are that Rozhetskin was murdered. His mother points to the Putin government as the responsible culprit. But Usmanov is the Putin underling most likely to have ordered the hit. The New York-based media-celebrity blog gawker.com refers to Usmanov


Yuri Milner also has ties to Kushner

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/03/the-web-of-relationships-between-team-trump-and-russia/?utm_term=.c25a5cc8be35


Trump’s son-in-law (Ivanka’s husband) also met with Kislyak during the period between Election Day and the inauguration, according to the New York Times. Kushner also has some loose connections to Russian business interests, according to the Times, including an investment from tech investor Yuri Milner in a real estate investment company and a friendship with the wife of oligarch Roman Abramovich. (She was invited to the inauguration as Ivanka Trump’s guest.)

Mr. Evil

(2,825 posts)
25. Do not forget Mitch McConnell
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:42 PM
Jun 2017

emphatically stating that the next president should choose the next Supreme Court Justice. How could he confidently make that statement if he didn't know the next president wasn't going to be a republican? The fix was in and he knew it! Someone on Muellers team needs to start putting the screws to him.

procon

(15,805 posts)
26. My hats' off to all the agents who are working to uncover this nest of traitors.
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 02:48 PM
Jun 2017

I can't imagine how they keep track of everything when it must be like pulling a loose thread on a sweater and watching as it unravels to reveal still more knots and skeins.

Johnny2X2X

(18,969 posts)
35. Collusion, they shared voter lists
Fri Jun 16, 2017, 03:09 PM
Jun 2017

I've always maintained that at the very least, the Trump campaign shared lists of voters for the Russians to target with Fake News on Facebook. The Russian misinformation campaign was too sophisticated and it aligned with the campaign every step of the way. They provided their voter analytics to the Russians and they helped coordinate which voters were vulnerable to fake stories about Hillary. This is all pretty obvious.

Also obvious was that they coordinated data dumps from the hacking with the Russians for maximum effect. And there are even cases of the campaign going public with hacked data before the hacked data was released to the public.

Data analytics would also be necessary to target voting machines to hack. They'd have to know which ones they could hack and alter the tallies without it being obvious to statisticians.

Bottom line, Trump was not elected to the Presidency, he stole the Presidency with help from Putin.

 

golfguru

(4,987 posts)
53. Russians stupid to pick ILLINOIS
Sat Jun 17, 2017, 12:11 AM
Jun 2017

There was no way Hillary was going to lose Illinois.
The Russians are stupider than I thought.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Robert Mueller is now loo...