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MineralMan

(151,187 posts)
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:09 AM Jun 2017

Trump believes he is always the smartest person in the room.

He listens to nobody's opinion unless it is in complete agreement with his own. He is smart enough to run his own privately-held businesses, sometimes even to profitability. He is smart enough to use debt-based financing to generate income for himself at a great cost to others.

He is, however, not smart enough to recognize that he is surrounded by people who are much smarter than he is, who are more knowledgeable and who have long experience in areas where Trump has none.

His failure to recognize that others are smarter and know more than he does is his largest deficit. He is just smart enough to get along, but not smart enough to know his own limitations and use the advice given to him by those who know more than he does.

In the end, Trump is not very smart at all, as evidence demonstrates. In the end, he is not smart enough to know that he's not smart enough to be in the position he is in. That endangers us all.

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Trump believes he is always the smartest person in the room. (Original Post) MineralMan Jun 2017 OP
truer words have never been spoken FM123 Jun 2017 #1
my 14 yr old grand daughter is by FAR the smartest person in the room! samnsara Jun 2017 #2
She apparently has smart grandparents, too. MineralMan Jun 2017 #3
Sad. nt leftyladyfrommo Jun 2017 #4
Indeed! MineralMan Jun 2017 #5
Also delusional. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2017 #6
Yes, and that's the man who inhabits the White House. MineralMan Jun 2017 #7
The fact that he is in the White House leftyladyfrommo Jun 2017 #11
As I watch in alarm, I keep my fingers crossed. MineralMan Jun 2017 #12
I am old. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2017 #16
I'm also old. And we normally do recover from bad decisions. MineralMan Jun 2017 #18
Look at it this way. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2017 #24
I'll do my best to remain optimistic. MineralMan Jun 2017 #25
It is certainly better for your own mental health. Don't let these assholes get you down. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2017 #26
Most people that are born on third base DefenseLawyer Jun 2017 #8
Apparently so. MineralMan Jun 2017 #9
I am not so sure... Fatemah2774 Jun 2017 #10
This plays out at the family level also SHRED Jun 2017 #13
Yes, indeed. MineralMan Jun 2017 #21
We are suffering right now SHRED Jun 2017 #22
I'm so sorry to hear that. MineralMan Jun 2017 #23
Trump is smart enough bigtree Jun 2017 #14
Pretty much sums it up Phoenix61 Jun 2017 #15
Exactly. No curiosity or eagerness to learn. MineralMan Jun 2017 #17
Even in solitary confinement he wouldn't be the smartest person in the room Orrex Jun 2017 #19
LOL! MineralMan Jun 2017 #20
I see what you did there.. Permanut Jun 2017 #28
May he be forced to find out soon. bellmartin Jun 2017 #29
I think Trump survives by controlling who is "in the room" publicly. Freethinker65 Jun 2017 #27
Nailed Trump again pandr32 Jun 2017 #30
Thank you for your kind words! MineralMan Jun 2017 #31
If it wasn't for lawyers trump would have never amounted to anything. shockey80 Jun 2017 #32
Trump's intelligence is irrelevant Boomer Jun 2017 #33
And again, surely the intel people know this and act accordingly right? Still In Wisconsin Jun 2017 #34
I don't know for certain, really. MineralMan Jun 2017 #39
From what I have read he likes the briefings to be reeeeealy short and simple. Still In Wisconsin Jun 2017 #41
Yes, and I'm sure those who prepare those briefings MineralMan Jun 2017 #42
if he were in the same room with my dryer lint, he STILL would not be the smartest niyad Jun 2017 #35
LOL! MineralMan Jun 2017 #40
There'd be plenty of hot air spinning around though Hekate Jun 2017 #44
that is very true. could probably dry my down coat in nothing flat! niyad Jun 2017 #45
Never a good characteristic for a politician. Ever. ehrnst Jun 2017 #36
He thought as much when he was a kid QED Jun 2017 #37
only if the room is empty. spanone Jun 2017 #38
Strange since he's never the smartest person in the room rock Jun 2017 #43
Trump is an idiot Gothmog Jun 2017 #46

MineralMan

(151,187 posts)
3. She apparently has smart grandparents, too.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:30 AM
Jun 2017

Every 14 year old girl is smarter than Donald Trump, I'm sure.

leftyladyfrommo

(19,989 posts)
11. The fact that he is in the White House
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:49 AM
Jun 2017

is also just plain weird.

It is like we are all caught up in some totally absurd alternate reality.

MineralMan

(151,187 posts)
12. As I watch in alarm, I keep my fingers crossed.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:51 AM
Jun 2017

I hope we make it to the 2018 election and that everyone and his neighbor turns out to vote. If we make it that far, we still have a chance. If not...well...

leftyladyfrommo

(19,989 posts)
16. I am old.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:05 AM
Jun 2017

We gave been thru some rough times.

I have faith in our system. The wheels grind slowly sometimes. But we pull thru.

MineralMan

(151,187 posts)
18. I'm also old. And we normally do recover from bad decisions.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:08 AM
Jun 2017

I hope that will be the case again.

leftyladyfrommo

(19,989 posts)
24. Look at it this way.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:30 AM
Jun 2017

We made it thru the Civil War, the First World War, the Second World War, Viet Nam, Reagan, Nixon, Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld.
There have been times when our governments were completely corrupt. Kansas City, New York and Chicago were completely run by the mob.

But we made it. And we will make it again.

60% of us want to see Trump impeached. That has to be a good sign. People are beginning to see that he is just a horrible, horrible president. I still find it very strange that 30% think he is just the cat's pajamas. That is pretty weird in itself. I guess I just didn't realize that we had so many completely mean spirited people living here. That was an eye opener.

Keep the Faith.

MineralMan

(151,187 posts)
25. I'll do my best to remain optimistic.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:31 AM
Jun 2017

That's my nature, so I remain hopeful, if cautiously so.

leftyladyfrommo

(19,989 posts)
26. It is certainly better for your own mental health. Don't let these assholes get you down.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:38 AM
Jun 2017

Personally, I think Cheney was more dangerous than Trump.

Trump is so angry all the time that he will probably drop dead of a heart attack. Well, one can only hope. He is absolutely miserable in this job. Dick Cheney loved it. And then his heart (it was amazing that he had a heart at all) gave out. Sad!

Fatemah2774

(245 posts)
10. I am not so sure...
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:48 AM
Jun 2017

He runs a privately held business, but I don't think he is making the decisions to garner profitability. His brother I think is what keeps the name going.

There is no way I can see this petty,incompetent, foolish, unsympathetic, crass, hateful, despicable person as having the sense except to satisfy his large ego and small hands.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
13. This plays out at the family level also
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:54 AM
Jun 2017

We all have known abusive bullies like him that have caused damage in our families.

MineralMan

(151,187 posts)
21. Yes, indeed.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:18 AM
Jun 2017

My wife's family had someone like that. He's gone not, but the damage he caused is still present.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
22. We are suffering right now
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:25 AM
Jun 2017

My daughter's abusive husband.
She is so broken it's hard for her to not go back.
It's a sickness.

MineralMan

(151,187 posts)
23. I'm so sorry to hear that.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:29 AM
Jun 2017

It's one of the most difficult problems anyone can have, really. In some ways it's worse than a serious medical issue.

Bullies destroy lives, and they do it very effectively. I hope you can find a way to help, but it's very, very difficult. We couldn't help in that situation, and despite the abuser no longer being alive, the damage appears to be permanent and no resolution seems to be on the horizon. It's devastating.

bigtree

(94,194 posts)
14. Trump is smart enough
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:55 AM
Jun 2017

...but he's terminally foolish and vain.

He tries to surround himself with people who don't assert their own intelligence to his detriment. He's determined to insulate himself from anyone who will unravel and expose his tangled web of illegalities and wrongdoing, so he picks compromised figures with their own secrets to hide like Bannon, Flynn, and Kuschner as close confidants.

Smart people are fine with Trump, just as long as they're 'loyally' doing his bidding, and don't take credit away from him.

What's dangerous about Trump is his indifference to most of what's been considered traditional and essential for our Chief Executive to focus and act on. He just doesn't give a shit about what most of us consider vital to our own workaday lives, much less about what the government or the nation needs.

Phoenix61

(18,823 posts)
15. Pretty much sums it up
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:55 AM
Jun 2017

He seems to have no curiosity about anything. Imagine what you could learn if you were in his position? To have the opportunity to speak with the top experts in any and every field!

MineralMan

(151,187 posts)
17. Exactly. No curiosity or eagerness to learn.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:07 AM
Jun 2017

That seems so foreign to me. One of the great joys of my life has always been learning about a new subject area. Whether I learn from reading or by talking to someone who has expertise in an area I know little about, learning new things is what makes life worthwhile for me. That has been true since my earliest memories.

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
27. I think Trump survives by controlling who is "in the room" publicly.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 11:47 AM
Jun 2017

He may use smarter people in the background, but for appearances he chooses to surround himself with those less "smart". This way he truly does appear superior, like the final boardroom scenes in his reality show. When forced in public situations surrounded by smarter accomplished people (think recently of foreign leaders (Merkel), media personalities asking valid questions (Time magazine), etc.) his comfort level is dramatically reduced and his gross inadequacies are revealed.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
32. If it wasn't for lawyers trump would have never amounted to anything.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:40 PM
Jun 2017

He used money from dad and lawyers to make it in life.

Boomer

(4,405 posts)
33. Trump's intelligence is irrelevant
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:43 PM
Jun 2017

Whether or not Trump is stupid is pretty much beside the point. His narcissism is so strong that he can't see outside his own ego-bubble. He can't learn because his inflated ego believes he already knows everything. He can't see his errors and blunders because his narcissistic ego re-arranges reality to remove any personal failings.

This isn't a matter of being smart or not smart. He's mentally unbalanced and delusional. THAT endangers us all.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
34. And again, surely the intel people know this and act accordingly right?
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:45 PM
Jun 2017

I mean... I've asked you similar questions in the past... but surely he's not told everything, correct?

MineralMan

(151,187 posts)
39. I don't know for certain, really.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 01:46 PM
Jun 2017

He gets briefings, but not raw intel data. How thorough his briefings are, however, I'm not certain.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
41. From what I have read he likes the briefings to be reeeeealy short and simple.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 02:00 PM
Jun 2017

I don't think he has the longest attention span.

MineralMan

(151,187 posts)
42. Yes, and I'm sure those who prepare those briefings
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 02:02 PM
Jun 2017

take Trump's attention span and low intelligence into consideration and don't overtax the presidential brain.

niyad

(132,205 posts)
35. if he were in the same room with my dryer lint, he STILL would not be the smartest
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:53 PM
Jun 2017

person in the room.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
36. Never a good characteristic for a politician. Ever.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 12:54 PM
Jun 2017

If you alienate your peers by acting as though you are the most ethical, knowledgable person in the room, you aren't going to get much done.

QED

(3,349 posts)
37. He thought as much when he was a kid
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 01:06 PM
Jun 2017

And punched his music teacher because he knew more about music than she did.

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