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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,327 posts)
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 04:43 PM Jun 2017

US citizen Otto Warmbier dies after being released by North Korea

http://abc7.com/news/us-citizen-otto-warmbier-dies-after-being-released-by-north-korea/2119333/

Otto Warmbier, an American college student who was imprisoned in North Korea and returned to his home state of Ohio in a coma last week, has died, his family said.

Last Thursday, a University of Cincinnati Medical Center spokesman said Warmbier had suffered a severe neurological injury and was in stable condition.

In its first official comment since Warmbier was returned home, North Korea said it released him for humanitarian reasons. The state-run Korean Central News Agency on Thursday did not comment on his medical condition.
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US citizen Otto Warmbier dies after being released by North Korea (Original Post) WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2017 OP
What a monstrous regime. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2017 #1
very sad. poor family. spanone Jun 2017 #2
I wonder how soon it'll take that orange horror to tweet another cheap, despicable shot at catbyte Jun 2017 #3
This is very sad. All he did was take a thing off the door onecent Jun 2017 #4
It's why you should not visit or deface State property there NightWatcher Jun 2017 #6
I"M aware of that....but it's NOT something you would give someone 15 years for working onecent Jun 2017 #7
You should not be allowed to visit an enemy, which NK is NightWatcher Jun 2017 #8
The Department of State strongly warns U.S. citizens not to travel to North Korea lunasun Jun 2017 #10
The odd part is he was spending the school year in China Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #12
No, it's why MosheFeingold Jun 2017 #14
He might not have even taken tried to take the poster. femmedem Jun 2017 #19
I think there was video. nt Ilsa Jun 2017 #26
I don't see how someone could tell identity of the person from that video. LisaL Jun 2017 #27
You're right; it was probably staged, not him. nt Ilsa Jun 2017 #29
Well, I am not saying that it was staged. LisaL Jun 2017 #30
Unknown. The roommate saw him for the last time when the DPRK police picked him up. NT Ilsa Jun 2017 #33
so sad janterry Jun 2017 #5
Yes to all Not Ruth Jun 2017 #9
so sad :( samnsara Jun 2017 #11
Guess that explains why the North Koreans were so quick to release him... Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #13
Yeah, I think that has more to do with it than the Trump admin's "superior" efforts... renegade000 Jun 2017 #16
Absolutely bdjhawk Jun 2017 #38
I'm pretty sure Trump didn't know who Warmbier even was Blue_Tires Jun 2017 #39
May he rest in peace Gothmog Jun 2017 #15
Such a sad, sad story. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2017 #17
How is his treatment by the North Korean government any different than Police Depts. in the USA? tenderfoot Jun 2017 #18
State violence is contemptible no matter the state. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2017 #25
LOL tenderfoot Jun 2017 #28
I hate to say this...but either us or China needs to go in and clean house in NK bresue Jun 2017 #20
100,000 or more casultied in Seoul in the first Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #35
What a painful decision... JSup Jun 2017 #21
I am so sorry for your loss Metatron Jun 2017 #22
Thank you, but... JSup Jun 2017 #23
He was not on a respirator. LisaL Jun 2017 #24
This is just so awful but I hesitate to blame Otto for wanting to go to North Korea. Glimmer of Hope Jun 2017 #31
Poor kid shenmue Jun 2017 #32
Out of Control Bear Creek Jun 2017 #34
Sandra Bland. Voltaire2 Jun 2017 #36
The fat fuck was sending a message. Xolodno Jun 2017 #37

catbyte

(34,374 posts)
3. I wonder how soon it'll take that orange horror to tweet another cheap, despicable shot at
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 04:46 PM
Jun 2017

Obama like he did when NK released him. How horrific. I feel so bad for his family.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
4. This is very sad. All he did was take a thing off the door
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 04:46 PM
Jun 2017

to take it back to America. North Korean WHATEVER HIS NAME IS can just go to hell.

People are so damn mean and like to cause pain.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
6. It's why you should not visit or deface State property there
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 04:48 PM
Jun 2017

It was terminally naive of him.

I'm sorry for his family.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
7. I"M aware of that....but it's NOT something you would give someone 15 years for working
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 04:50 PM
Jun 2017

every day of your life. I think people should stay away from there. PERIOD!

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
10. The Department of State strongly warns U.S. citizens not to travel to North Korea
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:00 PM
Jun 2017

DPRK). U.S. citizens in the DPRK are at serious risk of arrest and long-term detention under North Korea’s system of law enforcement. This system imposes unduly harsh sentences for actions that would not be considered crimes in the United States and threatens U.S. citizen detainees with being treated in accordance with “wartime law of the DPRK.”

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/north-korea-travel-warning.html

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
12. The odd part is he was spending the school year in China
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:05 PM
Jun 2017

so you'd think he was well aware of how touchy they get over those kinds of things... Especially when it's an opportunity to make an example of an American...

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
14. No, it's why
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:08 PM
Jun 2017

One should never, ever, consider going there.

You're just a potential hostage. No reason, needed.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
30. Well, I am not saying that it was staged.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:23 PM
Jun 2017

I am saying, from the video I saw, I wouldn't be able to ID the person except it did look like a tall male. Did they find the poster in his possessions?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
13. Guess that explains why the North Koreans were so quick to release him...
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 05:07 PM
Jun 2017

Couldn't have him dying in their custody...

bdjhawk

(420 posts)
38. Absolutely
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 03:03 AM
Jun 2017

the only reason he was released is so he didn't die in NK. If his condition had become this serious last year, they would have released him then under the Obama administration. Had nothing to do with the orange micro-weenie in the WH, even though he desperately wants to take credit for it. At some point, I believe the parents will realize this, as well.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
39. I'm pretty sure Trump didn't know who Warmbier even was
Tue Jun 20, 2017, 12:26 PM
Jun 2017

until the North Korean diplomats came calling...

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
17. Such a sad, sad story.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:01 PM
Jun 2017

No American citizens should be allowed to travel to NK.

Did NK actually have proof he took the poster or did he just allegedly take it? I think he admitted to it but that means nothing.

tenderfoot

(8,426 posts)
18. How is his treatment by the North Korean government any different than Police Depts. in the USA?
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:02 PM
Jun 2017

He could have gotten pulled over and ended up in a coma, eventually dying.

bresue

(1,007 posts)
20. I hate to say this...but either us or China needs to go in and clean house in NK
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:16 PM
Jun 2017

if China does not want a unified Korean, than go in and install a puppet government.

Voltaire2

(13,014 posts)
35. 100,000 or more casultied in Seoul in the first
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:01 PM
Jun 2017

24 hours from NK conventional forces. We don't know what their nuclear capabilities are.

JSup

(740 posts)
21. What a painful decision...
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:33 PM
Jun 2017

...the family had to make.

My best friend and roommate of 23 years died in front of me on April 23rd; it took the EMTs 19 minutes to get his heart going again. He was in a state of 'unresponsive wakefulness' and his mother had to make the decision to remove the breathing tubes and what was left of him suffocated to death in front of me, his mother and some friends on April 25th. Today would have been his 46th birthday.

I feel for this family.

JSup

(740 posts)
23. Thank you, but...
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 07:57 PM
Jun 2017

...I was more trying to show why I empathized with this family rather than to refocus the sorrow in my direction.

Even though my attempts at C and P and R (<-- trigger acronym, even have to leave the room if it happens on tv) failed, at least I have the knowledge that he didn't die (the first time and the second time) without the company of someone he loved.

Whereas poor Otto... his last time of conscious thought wasn't near anyone he loved or anywhere near home.

Glimmer of Hope

(5,823 posts)
31. This is just so awful but I hesitate to blame Otto for wanting to go to North Korea.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:25 PM
Jun 2017

Tours to North Korea are still around and I can see how someone who is adventurous could be enticed to go. I am all for interacting with countries like Iran to bridge differences but these tours to North Korea need to be shut down.

http://www.responsibletravel.com/holiday/18000/north-korea-highlights-and-walking-tour

Bear Creek

(883 posts)
34. Out of Control
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 08:42 PM
Jun 2017

China wants them under their wing. China needs to take responsibility. I'm sure some of the crap we buy that says made in China is from North Korea. Apple, Walmart and other companies need to put pressure on China. Killing a student for taking a poster. The missiles they have been lobbing is going to end up hitting South Korea or Japan.

Voltaire2

(13,014 posts)
36. Sandra Bland.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 09:05 PM
Jun 2017

Please explain the substantive difference between how our government treated Sandra Bland and how the North Korean government treated Otto Warmbier.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
37. The fat fuck was sending a message.
Mon Jun 19, 2017, 10:13 PM
Jun 2017

From day one they had every intention to eventually send him home, but at minimum badly disfigured and permanently handicapped. We won't negotiate, and when I say that, I mean pay the ransom for other Americans they "detain". Add to that, we continue to put the squeeze on them economically.

With that said, no one should visit NK under any circumstances. You are taking chances with your life and that should be hammered non-stop. Tour operators who say its "safe" should be sued to oblivion and makes them very nervous about their assets held by any bank that happens to also operate in the US.

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