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Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:07 PM

 

Nancy pelosi is the strongest member of the resistance

Which is why the GOP are demonizing her.

The fact that some liberals are going along with it says a lot about the deep rooted misogyny even among liberals.

For shame.

http://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/05/04/nancy-pelosi-is-the-most-effective-member-of-the-resistence/#.WQtVbR77uy4.twitter

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:08 PM

1. hear! hear!

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:08 PM

23. WHAT IF...A Republican came within 3 points in Nancy Smash's district?

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:32 PM

53. What if

Pigs could fly? What if the sky were blue? What if we don't choose our Democratic leadership in order to win GOPee voters?

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Response to tazkcmo (Reply #53)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:44 PM

64. lol! As you where.

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:08 PM

2. I think Pelosi is an awesome leader, too. Eom

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:11 PM

3. Thank You

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:14 PM

5. Absolutely agree! But I'm also absolutely sure that

most of America is viewing the Democratic Party through Republican, Russian and hostile left prisms. Certainly almost all political coverage on TV is distorted that way.

Just look at the almost universal claim that Democrats are "out of touch with" (as in don't care about) working class needs. 100% wrong, as the most shallow glance at who we are and what we promise to accomplish when in office shows, but it's regurgitated everywhere as unexamined truth, the same way the right wing's "we have to get off the backs of business" was for years until the 2008 crash but even more widely.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:56 PM

101. Yep. Reality doesn't matter. It's only the perception of reality that counts.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:20 PM

6. K&R + 1,000

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:21 PM

7. The article was correct about her leadership 2 months ago


And she is still doing a good job.

The article doesn't say we are demoniInb her like the GOP, just not giving her enough credit. I can see how that might be true.

What are examples of Democrats demonizing Pelosi in the post-2016 era?

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:23 PM

8. allover du and twitter have been calls for her to step down.

 

I'm not linking to them but it's all over today

And yes, I know what's in the article I posted it.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 10:58 AM

125. call me a misogonist if you want

I live in the media market of the SC 5th district, where the Democrat came within 3% of turning a solid red district, and did 18% better than Mulvaney did last time he ran for the seat. Practically every ad tied the Dem to Pelosi. I don't care how good she is as a Party leader she is toxic in a large number of districts that we need to flip in 2018 to take back the House.
For the good of the Party, I hope she will step aside.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #125)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 02:58 PM

139. Post hoc ergo prompter hoc... or maybe your initial premise was simply accurate.

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc... or maybe your initial premise was simply accurate.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #7)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:14 PM

29. Check Today's (6/21/2017) New York Times Edition

Among Democrats in Washington, the setback in Georgia revived or deepened a host of existing grievances about the party, accentuating tensions between moderate lawmakers and liberal activists and prompting some Democrats to question the leadership and political strategy of Nancy Pelosi, the House minority leader.

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Representative Seth Moulton, Democrat of Massachusetts, said the defeat was “frustrating” and urged a shake-up at the top of the party.

“Our leadership owes us an explanation,” said Mr. Moulton, who voted against Ms. Pelosi in the last leadership election. “Personally, I think it’s time for new leadership in the party.”

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Representative Tim Ryan of Ohio, who tried to unseat Ms. Pelosi as House minority leader late last fall, said she remained a political millstone for Democrats. But Mr. Ryan said the Democratic brand had also become “toxic” in much of the country because voters saw Democrats as “not being able to connect with the issues they care about.”

“Our brand is worse than Trump,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/us/pelosi-georgia-ossoff-democrats.html?_r=0

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Response to erpowers (Reply #29)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:08 PM

73. Yes, Tim Ryan was ovrr the top.


I don't see how Pelosi is to blame for Ossof.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #73)

Sat Jun 24, 2017, 02:43 PM

151. No Blame Here

 

Nancy Pelosi is not to blame for Ossoff. She's an extremely capable politician. (Who, incidentally, fought long and hard for a public option when the ACA was being debated.) What's happened is Republicans - employing vilification, their standard tactic - have transformed her, in the minds of many. many voters, into a demon. They did it to both Clintons, Obama and John Kerry, and very successfully. Having no real policies with general appeal, they can only denigrate the opposition. Ugly is their whole game.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:34 PM

9. I'm going to look suspiciously at any democrat who disagrees with you.

These Fear-Uncertainty-Doubt campaigns are a Republican (and Russian...) specialty.


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Response to hunter (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:37 PM

11. " ... Republican (and Russian...) ..." !!! Yeap, can we tell the difference these days !!!

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Response to hunter (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:37 PM

12. +1

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Response to hunter (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:58 PM

19. Anyone encouraging us towards a circular firing squad

and wanting us to fight among ourselves is probably having a suspicious agenda. It doesn't take much for us to squabble though. We're not members of any organized political party, we're Democrats.

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Response to hunter (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:31 PM

96. OMG, conspiracy theorists are making their voices present at DU.

 

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Response to vkkv (Reply #96)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 07:40 PM

114. Me?

There's nothing honorable about Republican political strategies; from voter suppression, to FUD, to their taking advantage of our stupid electoral college system, to their racist dog whistles.

Fuck 'em.



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Response to hunter (Reply #114)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 08:01 PM

116. """ I'm going to look suspiciously at any democrat who disagrees with you. These Fear-Uncertainty-

 

Doubt campaigns are a Republican (and Russian...) specialty. """

Yes, RepubliScums do have to cheat, steal and lie to win... I'm just not so sure 'them Ruskies are hanging around at DU !

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Response to vkkv (Reply #116)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 03:01 PM

140. Must be frustrating to be unable to tell the difference between colorful branding and conspiracies.

Must be frustrating to be unable (or willing) to tell the difference between obviously colorful branding and conspiracies. Good luck with that in the future, and I wish you the very best!!!

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:36 PM

10. K&R +1000 !!! If Pelosi wasn't female people would be more supportive

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Response to YCHDT (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:37 PM

13. And I love how all the names they are putting up are male

 

But it's not about gender, oh no, never that

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:39 PM

15. IKR !?!!? I posted earlier about Maxine Waters and got crickets

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Response to YCHDT (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:45 PM

16. Oh yeah it's not about gender at all

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:10 PM

25. Just like gender played no role

in the attempts to silence Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Sen. Kamala Harris (twice!) and Sen. Tammy Duckworth in just the last few months. Of course, the rebukes came from Republican male senators. Hello, McConnell and McCain! I'm looking at you, although you're certainly not alone.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 12:51 AM

119. I'm a Male Lefty

 

I'm a male lefty and as feminist as a male can be. I love Nancy and hope she becomes Speaker again in 2018. But I feel accusing her critics of misogyny is unfounded. I think there's just a lot of frustration among Democrats right now, and the same criticism would be directed at the party's leader if he were a male.

A personal note -- I am an alum of Brooklyn Tech and don't speak for that institution. I tried to get my screen name changed, but never received a response to my request and my screen name (which I am guilty of choosing) remains unchanged

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Response to BrooklynTech (Reply #119)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 11:53 AM

134. Fellow male leftist here in full agreement!



Best not to slap labels on anyone. Yes, It's possible to be a very progressive man who also wants new leadership from the Dem caucus.

No mysoginy here whatsoever.

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Response to YCHDT (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:59 PM

104. +1000. People are more afraid to attack a man. They want another Hillary to rally the Haters.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:49 PM

17. Pelosi for President

Win back the house. Impeach/remove Trump and Pence.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:52 PM

18. YASSSS!!!!!!

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 02:59 PM

20. I agree!

 

It must me said.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:00 PM

21. She was formidable in turning the Iraq War

Pelosi war-bill gamble pays off
The House speaker's triumph was anything but assured when she announced the measure -- without votes.
March 24, 2007|Noam N. Levey | Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi faced an angry group of liberal lawmakers when she stepped into her red-walled Capitol office on the afternoon of March 8.

For 2 1/2 hours Pelosi listened, parrying each complaint with an argument she would make hundreds of times over the next two weeks: Democrats had to unite behind a bill that challenged Bush's management of the war.

Friday, Pelosi carried the day.

In the most difficult trial of her speakership, Pelosi pushed through the first legislation mandating an end to U.S. involvement in the Iraq war.


http://articles.latimes.com/2007/mar/24/nation/na-pelosi24

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:07 PM

22. I see no reason for us to demonize her. I do want a different focus for our party, that is more

 


hardline on money in politics and is far more bombastic against the megalithic forces that continue to actually run our nation, but I understand why she's there and accept that this was a well intentioned direction taken by democrats. I just don't think its been working. But Pelosi is hardly the worst problem with the party, and saying she has to go is not a particularly respectful way to put things. Maybe we should try something else...but I don't care if that comes in the package of Pelosi or somebody new.

But it isn't honest to suggest that the problems liberals have with Pelosi are the same criticisms being propagated by right-wing media. I would never say there's no sexism on this side of the aisle, but in your honest opinion, how do you think the people on the left who want Pelosi to go feel about Perez? Do they want him to stay because he's a man?

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Response to JCanete (Reply #22)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:12 PM

26. I don't care to sugar coat sexism because it's coming from the left

 

When you blame a loss on a woman regardless of whether or not she's on the ticket, you are being sexist. Just because they vote D doesn't absolve you of that.

And I was being honest, it seems that you are deliberately overlooking the misogyny to suit your needs.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:33 PM

38. Can it ever be anything else though, the way you are framing the criteria? I agree with you,

 


there is sexism among liberals and Democrats, but that doesn't change the fact that it does't necessarily have to be THE factor anytime somebody is unhappy with a politician. And it is important that we don't pretend that liberals are simply jumping on Republican and corporate media mischaracterizations of Pelosi and the work she has done in office. That is muddying the waters and maligning the liberals who are fed up with establishment politics, which is my larger objection, rather than to question any misogyny.
I can certainly understand being offended by the tone of some of these posts. That isn't constructive, the vitriol roles off the keys too easily, and they should probably be called out.

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Response to JCanete (Reply #38)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:35 PM

39. In this case it is misogyny. It also could be rainbow unicorns but it is not.

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #39)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 02:42 PM

138. So its a choice between misogyny or rainbow unicorns?

That's the very definition of a blatant Straw Man argument.

It reveals something that you had to reach that far down the well of fantasy to find something that you could put beside the concept that some Democrats could simply be unhappy with elements of her leadership, and not that they all must be raging misogynists. In fact it makes me wonder if you think there actually exists a significant amount of people who call themselves Democrats that are secretly, or overtly, irredeemably sexist. I sure don't buy that and I wouldn't support a party that would have that many in the ranks.

This kind of knee-jerk accusation is the most divisive and retrograde, IMO. Because whether it was meant to or not, it results in shutting down any talk of evolving, of progress, of making the party more appealing to the next generation of voters by flippantly playing such a convenient card to scare others from debating a topic that they may think is important to that goal.

There's also a danger by defining it this black or white way in that it sets the stage for Republicans to then cry foul if we, say, call Betsy DeVos unfit for her job. It de-fangs the term when it is used to cry wolf every time one sees a bustle in the hedgerow.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #138)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 03:07 PM

141. More often than not, it's simply a choice between the obvious and the rationalization.

More often than not, it's simply a choice between the obvious and the rationalization... yet I simply restate the OP's original and obvious premise, rather than your rationalization.

When (if) a series of valid, objective criticisms containing actual evidence to support them arrives on DU rather than half-witted bumper-stickers, simplistic editorials, logical fallacies and more-skeptical-than-thou tit-for-tats , your own premise may be valid. Until then, it's simply a really juicy justification.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:10 PM

24. I like Nancy a lot ...

... always have. She has never gotten enough credit for her hard work and accomplishments.

The people calling for her to step down - or at least the ones I have seen - believe that her association brings down democratic candidates, and makes it hard for us to win traditionally red seats. That is certainly true in my neck of the deep South. The perception of her as a "Californy Librul" is wide spread here. She is hated as much as Obama.

But if yesterday's GA results taught us anything, it was that winning a deep South seat is presently a pipe dream, Pelosi or no Pelosi.

Besides, if she weren't hated by the konservativnyy voters, I'd say she wasn't doing her job as a Democratic leader very well anyway.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:12 PM

27. Word.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:14 PM

28. Yes!

Anyone on DU who claims Nancy Pelosi is not a great leader is revealing one of three things:

1. They are not really a Democrat and are trying to harm the Democratic party by attacking one of the strongest Democrats in Congress, or:

2. They are sexist and automatically think "incompetent" when they see a female leader, or:

3. They are completely out of touch with what has been going on in the House of Representatives and are clueless about how this legislative body works.

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Response to athena (Reply #28)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:18 PM

89. That is plainly offensive. I voted for Pelosi every time I could

 

when I lived in S.F.

She may be a great lawmaker but she harms the Democratic Party's national profile.

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Response to vkkv (Reply #89)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 03:09 PM

142. you have objective, rational, non-anecdotal and valid evidence to support your allegation, yes?

"she harms the Democratic Party's national profile..."

No doubt, you have objective, rational, non-anecdotal and valid evidence to support your allegation, yes? Or is yours simply another bumper-sticker predicated entirely on bias and containing a lot of nothing?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #142)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 03:44 PM

145. Yes. HuffPo legit enough for you?

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:15 PM

30. Hear, Hear!!!

I stand with Nancy!






♡lmsp

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:17 PM

31. K&R

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:18 PM

32. "Since neither Hillary or Chelsea are running for office, Ossoff's thin loss in a 40-year GOP distri

 

"Since neither Hillary or Chelsea are running for office, Ossoff's thin loss in a 40-year GOP district means we have to scapegoat Pelosi."





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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:21 PM

34. district means we have to scapegoat Pelosi."

 

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Response to Madam45for2923 (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:24 PM

35. A-fucking-men

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:20 PM

33. The russian/RWNj's bots are going after Nancy pelosi now..

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:30 PM

36. Getting rid of Nancy Pelosi would be a major mistake

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:31 PM

37. Yes, it really would. When she retires, she will be hard to replace.

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:37 PM

40. Go Nancy go

She gets1 things done in the house, everything accomplished as speaker,

Unlike the last 3 Republican speakers.

Show her some love

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:44 PM

41. Once again, La Lioness, you have nailed it. I proudly stand beside Nancy Pelosi!

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:14 PM

43. Thank you

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 03:45 PM

42. She is my Representative, and I love her.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:15 PM

44. Hillary Clinton, DWS, and Nancy Pelosi

a definite pattern.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:23 PM

46. Plus the attacks that have already started on kamala and Kirsten

 

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Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:25 PM

47. I think it is time for fresh leadership.

Change with our party will help us in upcoming elections.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:26 PM

48. Lol

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:27 PM

49. Some of us in the democratic party want change.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:28 PM

51. You got change

Donald Trump is president. That's a fucking monumental change.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #51)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:30 PM

52. No. I am talking about change with our party leadership.

I posted my comment to reflect that some of us in the democratic party want leadership change, with the dem party. That's all.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #52)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:42 PM

61. Do you feel that way about Bernie Sanders, too?

After all, there is nothing new or fresh about Bernie Sanders. Or is it just women you are tired of? I suppose any woman over 25 is simply not "fresh" enough for some people.

The sexism on DU makes me absolutely sick. The worst is that the sexists claim they're not sexist at all. As if they were fooling anyone but themselves.

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Response to athena (Reply #61)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:46 PM

67. I am sorry people are misunderstanding my post.

I have not in anyway made comment to Bernie or sexism.
Heck, I think we need 50-60% of our leadership to be women. I am a feminist!

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Response to athena (Reply #61)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:46 PM

68. +1

 

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:32 PM

54. Some of you seem to not know what the house minority leader does

 

You just seem to want women out of offices

Pelosi just won the vote from her colleagues, she's not going anywhere to please you

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:38 PM

56. I strongly believe that our political leadership should be 50-60 % women throughout the nation.

It's okay that there are various opinions within our party. I do want to see our party be more progressive. My hope is that there will be more acceptance of those stances and to welcome it with equal acceptance. Your perspective is not better or worse than mine. We are equal.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #56)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:40 PM

59. You're wrong, I'm better informed about what the house minority leader does

 

I don't want her gone despite her extreme effectiveness at her job, I haven't fallen for propoganda against her

My perspective and opinion are better than yours

We are not equals

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #59)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:43 PM

62. Sorry to hear that.

I guess you are not interested in respecting my opinion. I respect yours.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #62)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:44 PM

65. Yes I don't respect opinions based on misogyny

 

And I really don't care who does or doesn't respect me

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #65)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:47 PM

69. I'm a feminist.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #62)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 03:11 PM

143. 2+2Cat is an opinion as well.

2+2=cat is an opinion as well. Not only would that opinion not garner my respect, it would illustrate the holder's relevant acumen as much less than keen.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #56)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:44 PM

63. Good luck reaching that percentage by pushing out the most effective female members of the party.

There is one thing I absolutely cannot stand, and it is hypocrisy. If you really are interested in progressive female leaders, Nancy Pelosi is absolutely the last person you should be criticizing.

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Response to athena (Reply #63)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:46 PM

66. This is all cover for deep rooted misogyny

 

I want change but somehow that change never seems to want to unseat old white men, just women.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #66)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:49 PM

70. I don't understand your comments.

I'm a feminist. A democrat. We are on the same side.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #70)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:06 PM

72. Feminists don't want the most effective women to lose their jobs

 

Lol

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #72)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:16 PM

85. So we can agree to disagree.

We both want what is best. I want 50-60% woman leadership and a balance with progressives as a goal.

The bottom line is Nancy will stay I don't see the party making any changes anytime soon.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 06:15 PM

107. I agree

I've watched Pelosi over the years. In the past, I used to cheer when she spoke. I've always admired her.

But, I listen to her, now, and I really don't have the same relationship to her. She's nearly 80 (77 this year). I still like and respect her, but she doesn't excite me the way she did 10-15 (or more!) years ago.

Change is okay. It's not a repudiation of Pelosi.....it's just what happens. New energy, new ideas - new momentum. I look forward to that.

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Response to janterry (Reply #107)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 07:03 PM

112. Thank you!

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Response to janterry (Reply #107)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 03:14 PM

144. Change for its own sake is irrational, and "excitement" does not create effective national policy.

Change for its own sake is irrational, and "excitement" does not create effective national policy. Additionally, "New Energy" is a bumper-sticker and lacks any objective evidence to support it.

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:27 PM

50. Two of them have already been banished

Not enough for you?

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #47)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:37 PM

55. Replacing an effective leader would be an incredibly dumb thing to do.

Change for the sake of change is what gave us Trump. I hope you're enjoying every minute of your new president's fresh presidency!

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Response to Equinox Moon (Reply #47)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 11:25 AM

129. lolz -- shoo, little lamb

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #44)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:11 PM

75. DWS was a train wreck.

Nancy Pelosi supports sane policies around cannabis and isn't a friend to the payday loan industry. She is a true progressive in every sense of the word.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #75)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:12 PM

78. tell that to the peanut gallery

calling for her head.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #78)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:15 PM

84. I usually do. Every time people start going after Pelosi, I defend her.

I think Nancy is great, I want her to get the Speaker's gavel again.

But just because DWS is female doesn't grant her entrance into the club of people getting unfair criticism. Sometimes people are genuinely incompetent or otherwise as ill-suited for their roles as they seem.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #84)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:17 PM

87. No one is immune from criticism

but a clear pattern is nonetheless evident.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #87)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:28 PM

95. I think your point would be better made if you left her out, but whatever.

It's pretty clear from multiple sources that by the middle of last year a whole big chunk of the Democratic leadership- including high placed Clinton campaign folks, mind you- were trying to figure out how to get DWS out of her spot and the limelight without causing a stink, or more specifically without DWS causing a stink--- over it.

They knew what a liability she was for the DNC.

Harry Reid didn't exactly pull any punches in his wording after the election, on the matter:

Reid: DNC was 'worthless' under Wasserman Schultz

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:23 PM

45. DU REC

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:39 PM

57. Big fan of Nancy, but

 

In my opinion she has been wrongly demonized. But, all the repubs have to do is say so and so candidate is tied to Nancy. Not her fault, but if we want to win Governorships, state houses, US congressional and Senate seats, and Presidency, we need a new face, not tied to any one person, to lead in the House. And my opinion has nothing to do with the Georgia election.

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Response to brutus smith (Reply #57)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:42 PM

60. As long as we think we can turn around voters who are scared of pelosi in charge

 

We'll continue To be very disappointed

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Response to brutus smith (Reply #57)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:13 PM

79. Agree 100%

 


""but if we want to win Governorships, state houses, US congressional and Senate seats, and Presidency, we need a new face,""

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:40 PM

58. K&R

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 04:52 PM

71. Kick

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:11 PM

74. Misogyny? That's just offensive.

 

Is that what the many Dems who are unhappy with Speaker Pelosi are venting?

I voted for her every time I could during the 10 plus years I lived in S.F.


No doubt, Nancy is very bright. However,

I'd now like to see someone who doesn't talk above the general public's heads.

Yes, I get what she is saying, but she does not speak directly to the average, nationwide voter.

It's as if Pelosi expects the public to understand how government works.

It's as if Pelosi expects the public to know the Constitution and Bill Of Rights.

It's as if Pelosi expects the public to understand how laws are written.

It's as if Pelosi expects the public to be involved, daily, like her.


Pelosi is living in a world where the general public has the time, interest, knowledge and intelligence to grasp more than political rhetoric.

The national voter's world is not her 'world'.


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Response to vkkv (Reply #74)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:15 PM

83. Her job isn't to talk to the public

It's to keep the Democratic caucus in line, and she does it very well.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #83)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:28 PM

94. Wrong ! It is EVERY public official's JOB to talk to the public when called upon to.

 

Where did you ever get that idea?

She is an excellent lawmaker, but in the public profile as Speaker Of The House -for whatever reason (no, it wasn't "liberal misogyny" - she lost the American public.

Time for someone new.

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Response to vkkv (Reply #94)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:59 PM

105. her constituents, yes

but you are focused on TV audiences. Politics is not about entertainment. There are show horses and work horses. Nancy is a work horse. You want all show horses. Nothing gets done that way.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #105)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 06:02 PM

106. I voted for Pelosi every time I could when I lived in S.F.

 



She may be a great lawmaker but she harms the Democratic Party's national profile.

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Response to vkkv (Reply #74)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:18 PM

88. Misogyny is blaming a mans loss in a GOP district on a woman

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #88)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:21 PM

90. Huh? Where and when did I blame Pelosi for Ossoff's loss?

 


Seriously, you can't be serious.

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Response to vkkv (Reply #90)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 11:26 AM

130. blahblahblah

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #130)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 11:29 AM

131. So eloquent !

 


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Response to vkkv (Reply #74)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:57 PM

102. are you serious?

it is the voter's JOB to understand that shit - you're blaming HER for talking about shit voters should be aware of?

Maybe you should ask why voters are so ignorant? Why don't you laser focus on the fact that people are ignorant about civics? It is our JOB to be engaged and we should encourage voters to do the same, not indulge in excuses why they aren't engaged.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:11 PM

76. how is she helping us win swing districts in "fly over land?"

 

all of our congressional leaders are from rich, coastal enclaves.

Virtually every Democrat who runs for Congress in swing districts gets asked "will you vote for her for speaker" and none will say they will.

It's not misogyny to want the losing to stop.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #76)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:15 PM

82. THANK YOU!

 


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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #76)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:17 PM

86. Misogyny is blaming a mans loss in a GOP district on a woman

 

Who he ran away from and who is very good in her role

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #86)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:23 PM

91. Worth asking why EVERY candidate in swing districts winds

 

up running away from her?

Ossoff ran a bland campaign and he was toast once the GOP "liberal tears" machine got revved up. Not Pelosi's fault.

But, it's not misogyny to note that, while of course she is not the problem or even the worst of the problems, she is also not part of the solution to what ails the party.

She's an incredible leader inside DC. But, what she's good at, it's not really relevant to what the party needs.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:12 PM

77. She is a great leader

Those trashing her should be ashamed.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:14 PM

80. Go team

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:14 PM

81. The democratic party haters are out in full force today.

I had to argue with them on another venue.

I think we are done and done, between Putin, voter suppression, crosscheck and the phony progressives, dont see much hope

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:24 PM

92. Without Pelosi Democrats would be even worse off.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:26 PM

93. Watch for all solid shoo ins to be primaried because

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:33 PM

97. I will NEVER forgive Pelosi for saying "the Impeachment of George W. Bush is OFF the table."

 


That's the kind of leadership that we do not need.

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Response to vkkv (Reply #97)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:49 PM

98. You think she made that call unilaterally

 

Without knowing where her caucus was?

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #98)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:58 PM

103. apparently she did.

she alone. She and Soros are Gods.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #98)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 08:17 PM

118. If she had the spine and courage and guts that you say she has, then why let such a damaging, lying

 

POTUS off the hook?

It was a WEAK move setting Dems back years.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:53 PM

99. The Repubs are scared of her, so she is their next Hillary to roast, and a woman to boot, of course.

Dems smear her too. She was on a muted tv when some of my friends and I were discussing politics.
One said, and it's time to get rid of her too. I said she has experience. She counts every vote before she lets an issue take hold or go to the floor. We are so lucky to have her there now. I'm sure like many others, she would like to retire now. This is really, really hard work for Dems w long hours. She's not deserting the troops at the toughest moment. Thank you, Nancy Pelosi, and thank you, RB Ginsburg, for hanging in there, when I'm sure, you really would like to take more time for yourself and your families, if your country didn't badly need you.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 05:55 PM

100. Makes me sick.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #108)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 09:54 AM

123. If we "get the money out of politics" how do we pay for campaigns?

 

Since Labor is no longer a large scale donor to the party since Reagan broke its back, it has to be replace with other donors.

Barney Frank got money from Wall Street to run and win, because Wall Street is in his district, and a large employer in his district, so any of those employees who donated personally to his campaign anything over $50 was counted as "Wall Street" donations. He went on to write Dodd Frank regulation on Wall Street.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #123)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 12:01 PM

136. Thank you! Excellent rebuttal to the canard about money in politics.

The concern trolling about money in politics should be a big red flag now. The reality is that there is money in politics, and anyone pushing that Democrats should not have money in politics is simply saying that the we should be at a permanent disadvantage that Republicans will be happy to exploit. Forget that! First things first -- get elected!

Great post all the way around.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 06:48 PM

109. Does Rep. Kathleen Rice suffer from deep-rooted misogyny?

Rep. Kathleen Rice (D-N.Y.) also told CNN it was “time for Nancy Pelosi to go.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nancy-pelosi-democrats-georgia_us_594ad93ee4b0312cfb613993

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #109)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 07:02 PM

111. Do you think this kind of misogyny only exists in men?

 

What percentage of white women voted for trump

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #111)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 07:05 PM

113. So if a female Democratic member of the House

wants a change in leadership she's a misogynist too?

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 06:57 PM

110. I have nothing but admiration for Nancy

She used to be my Congresswoman. I was proud of her many years ago back then, and I'm proud of her now (after redistricting Barbara Boxer become my Congresswoman. I was pretty spoiled in those days!)

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 07:43 PM

115. Face it! The bots control a lot of people on both sides.

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Wed Jun 21, 2017, 08:07 PM

117. They want a scapegoat.. flying off the handle.

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Response to Cha (Reply #117)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 09:52 AM

122. This! (nt)

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 09:20 AM

120. Agreed.

The Libs could have Jesus as the Minority Ldr and they'd demonize him. Why some Libs do the "they talk bad about he so we have to dump her" thing is beyond me.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 09:51 AM

121. I agree she is a great leader

I live in her district and have seen her at numerous marches walking with us. Do you think Paul Aryan would be walking with real people? No, he thinks we are peasants. He only cares about his rich campaign donors. Nancy Pelosi is with the people!

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 10:21 AM

124. while I do think there is some sexism involved

I also think that whoever the next Democrat is that leads the House will be tarred and feathered just as badly as Pelosi - I mean, for over 40 years, the Republican response to anything Ted Kennedy did or said was "Chappaquiddick"

However, she was far more effective as a Speaker than Paul Ryan or John Boehner, so I'm hoping she becomes Speaker again in January of 2019 and is in that role until she retires.



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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 11:15 AM

126. Absolutely sexist.

Democrats are not immune to the charge. Though their entire agenda is much more supportive and embracing of females, this entire campaign and election has opened the Pandora's Box of prejudice and double standards when powerful, strong women are in place or attempting to command.

Pelosi is not the problem. She is a fierce fighter.

'Some' pretty damn insecure and incompetent men are a big part of the problem.

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Response to Guilded Lilly (Reply #126)

Sat Jun 24, 2017, 10:11 AM

149. Like this sexist?

“We need leadership change,” New York Democratic Rep. Kathleen Rice told CNN outside the House chamber. “It’s time for Nancy Pelosi to go, and the entire leadership team.”


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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #149)

Sat Jun 24, 2017, 02:21 PM

150. I stand by my comments.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 11:20 AM

127. K&R

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 11:22 AM

128. You are 100% right, Pri -- it's so obvious

What they are doing.

The GOP and RIGHT HATES her, and always have. So, why would anyone on the left, even in the middle, think railing against Pelosi is a progressive/liberal stance? They don't, unless they are foolish, paid trolls, or misogynists.

Remember how the RW said they would shot her on teh way to vote for teh ACA,, and security tried to make her and others march through teh tunnels, but she and John Lewis proudly marched past screaming, armed protestors -- including some Congressmen? She and Lewis were spat on and had death threats screamed at them. They knew then they could be murdered during that walk. That is leadership.

That is the day I stopped admiring Pelosi and started kinda loving her.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 11:48 AM

132. Shame for using a broad brush! I'm not misogynistic for wanting change!

This type of post is very divisive.

We can agree to disagree, but best without incendiary language. I'm a liberal man who has always supported equal pay, reproductive freedom, and a country where my 27 year-old daughter has an equal playing field! I can want Nancy to retire and I'm not a mysoginist!

I also believe after losing over 1000 Dem seats at the federal and state level in the past decade, its time for new leadership. And this is with all due respect to Nancy's remarkable accomplishments and fund raising.

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Response to RiverStone (Reply #132)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 11:59 AM

135. Aww

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #135)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 12:25 PM

137. Smarmy

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #137)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 04:16 PM

146. Who are you calling "swarmy", mr_lebowski?

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 11:50 AM

133. I was not a fan of 2003 "Impeachment is off the table" Pelosi. But 2017 Pelosi?

She kicks a$$ and takes names all day. She has more than earned her title.

What this wimpy party needs to do is get off its a$$ and mount an effective defense of her and our party's values.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 04:21 PM

147. Nancy Pelosi Favorable Rating from HUff Post Pollster Jan 1. 2015 to present not that impressive.

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Thu Jun 22, 2017, 04:23 PM

148. I love Nancy Pelosi

She should stay where she is.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Original post)

Sat Jun 24, 2017, 03:04 PM

152. There's a lot

of misinformation going around in the news. My parents are staunch D's, but watch CNN all day every day (and sometimes MSNBC), and even they think that it's time for her to go. I had to emphasize the point that Osoff lost in a red district and that the margin of defeat wasn't much, and that Pelosi et al. have actually been stumping and working hard for the party to gain victories again, but they won't listen to me. I even tried to tell them that the news media doesn't cover everything that happens politically, but they don't believe me.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #152)

Sat Jun 24, 2017, 04:39 PM

153. So true

 

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